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[apoppin]

Originally posted by: magreen
Man, there's some really nasty people chiming into this thread with some really nasty posts. Keys, I'm sorry you have to go through this.

Mods, may I recommend this thread be locked before all the low-lifes on the net crawl in to spew their hate?

what you need to realize that although there are indeed "nasty posters" - look at all the GOOD posters chiming in to give their support - many of them with a newfound respect for our Mods.

think positive

EDIT i just did a rough count ... well over 6 to 1, positive to negative - about 30 '+' posters to 5 '-'
:thumbsup:
[maybe the mods should check to see if there is any "duplication" of existing accounts]

 

[magreen]

Well that is a nicer way of looking at the situation. Thanks. Cheered me up. :thumbsup:

 

[NinjaJedi]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi
IMO it doesn't matter if you are biased/unbiased one way or the other. It doesn't matter if you are not here to market for the company. The fact that someone associated with AT be it a paid or unpaid employee is associated with a company that AT is supposed to do unbiased reviews for is a problem. It doesn't matter weather you are a moderator or editor or someone who writes reviews. It doesn't matter what forum you moderate for. The fact remains. Someone who works for AT is associated with a company that AT does unbiased reviews for. Many others have stated it. It's a matter of public perception. If you or other AT employees can't see the "conflict in interest" then something is really wrong. It gives me the impression that the AT site is biased regardless if they are or not. I would feel the same if it he (or any other AT employee) was part of a AMD/ATI focus group or part of any other department for either company.

To me it's not that you are in a focus group. It is that you are assoiated/work with/for nvidia and work for AT.

Since you know so much about the focus group, why don't you give us all a crash course about what my "job" is. I'd like to know what you think I am "required" to do as a member. Because if you really did know, you wouldn't be worried. You would welcome it. I mean, why wouldn't you? So, please. By all means, the floor is yours.

Like I said it has nothing to do with you being in a focus group and everything to do with you being associated with/working for nvidia. You could be a janitor or mail room guy and it would still be a conflict in interest. You could never post anything ever again and just moderate and it would still be a conflict in interest. The conflict is you work for nvidia and AT at the same time. Some in the public (me for one) might view this as AT being biased towards nvidia regardless if it is true or not.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed


Not to me. BFG is by far the more level headed poster. Not too plainly bias, nor treats posters he 'dislikes' differently. I doubt I'll see him imposing his admin abilities on certain people just because he dislikes them, as has happened in the past.

But I guess that will get me in trouble just saying that.

Thanks, I needed a laugh. :laugh:

 

[DerekWilson]

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi
IMO it doesn't matter if you are biased/unbiased one way or the other. It doesn't matter if you are not here to market for the company. The fact that someone associated with AT be it a paid or unpaid employee is associated with a company that AT is supposed to do unbiased reviews for is a problem. It doesn't matter weather you are a moderator or editor or someone who writes reviews. It doesn't matter what forum you moderate for. The fact remains. Someone who works for AT is associated with a company that AT does unbiased reviews for. Many others have stated it. It's a matter of public perception. If you or other AT employees can't see the "conflict in interest" then something is really wrong. It gives me the impression that the AT site is biased regardless if they are or not. I would feel the same if it he (or any other AT employee) was part of a AMD/ATI focus group or part of any other department for either company.

To me it's not that you are in a focus group. It is that you are assoiated/work with/for nvidia and work for AT.

Since you know so much about the focus group, why don't you give us all a crash course about what my "job" is. I'd like to know what you think I am "required" to do as a member. Because if you really did know, you wouldn't be worried. You would welcome it. I mean, why wouldn't you? So, please. By all means, the floor is yours.

Like I said it has nothing to do with you being in a focus group and everything to do with you being associated with/working for nvidia. You could be a janitor or mail room guy and it would still be a conflict in interest. You could never post anything ever again and just moderate and it would still be a conflict in interest. The conflict is you work for nvidia and AT at the same time. Some in the public (me for one) might view this as AT being biased towards nvidia regardless if it is true or not.

The misconception then is that keys or any other moderator "works" for AnandTech.

He "works" for AnandTech just as much as any other member "works" for us by providing content for our forums. Some people just have an extra permissions bit set that allows them to moderate as well as post.

Do all the people who moderate Slashdot work for Slashdot?

There is no conflict of interest because there is no relationship there.

I'm sorry if there is some perception here that flies in the face of reality, but what you are claiming is more than a little ridiculous. I personally have a little more faith in people and I believe that our integrity speaks for itself through the quality of and lack of bias in our reviews.

 

[spittledip]

I don't see the big deal. I would think that mods have opinions too...

 

[nRollo]

To me the sad part of all this is that some judged Keys guilty before he committed any crime, apparently largely because of my actions over two years ago while involved in the Focus Group as run by AEG. (a company that has been out of business almost as long)

IMHO:
1. Moderation is "work" people agree to do for free, in hopes of making a forum a better place, and given the pay people aren't usually lined up to donate their time.

2. Keys had nothing to do with AEG, nor is he me. (and even if he was me, not like I've disrupted the forum since my return)

3. Moderators are constrained by rules like anyone else. Usually, anything a moderator does can be undone by another, and it surely can be undone by an admin. If the worst possible outcome happened and Keys vacationed someone "because he liked AMD" or some such nonsense, the person would only have had to report Keys to the rest of the mods and/or admin, and his evil would be undone. Not getting to post for a day on a forum while such matters are considered doesn't "damage" a member, so the danger is small.

4. Some people need to re-think their idea that this forum is somehow the "front lines" for a dramatic battle that is deciding the fate of the video card world. I can guarantee you the number of people convinced to buy one card or another solely by reading this forum won't save AMD, or destroy NVIDIA. Every person who posts here reads independent review sites, and we all link to them, so even a noob who I guess supposedly doesn't know about independent review sites (although paradoxically on one) has ample opportunity to see the truth ands not rely on three sentences posted on a forum by someone with an agenda.

The whole situation brings the old saying tempest in a teapot to mind.

I've watched the villification of Keys and re-living of the two year old AEG drama unfold in many threads here with sad disbelief.

Again IMHO those who hate me or the Focus Group to this extent should vote the only way that really matters: Buy a AMD video card, CPU, and motherboard. That's the only thing that will make a difference in AMD's world.

Typing 1000s of essays about the imagined dangers of "what if Keys turns into the way Rollo was 2 years ago and the what if NVIDIA decided to run the Focus Group the way AEG did and OMG Rollo might convince a noob to buy a video card, can we enact legislation to make him illegal?!" is a waste of everyone's time.

This is all I'm going to say on this subject, because frankly, it isn't worth my time and none of this thread is really about video cards at all. It's really about prejudice, and as such every post is "off topic" for the forum. I'd prefer to see video cards discussed here, and don't really care what anyone buys, and only care about what is said to the extent it accurate.

 

[buck]

Don't worry nrollo, those of us with half a brain know keys isn't the scheming rat you were.

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: buck
Don't worry nrollo, those of us with half a brain know keys isn't the scheming rat you were.

What a cheap shot and a waste of energy. Carrying a grudge? How's that working out for ya?

 

[sandorski]

Best decision IMO. Some would never get past the potential for Conflict of Interest. Also it would always mean you having to second guess everything you posted and wondering how a part of the Users would react to it.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: buck
Don't worry nrollo, those of us with half a brain know keys isn't the scheming rat you were.

What a cheap shot and a waste of energy. Carrying a grudge? How's that working out for ya?

Well earned shot.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: buck
Don't worry nrollo, those of us with half a brain know keys isn't the scheming rat you were.

What a cheap shot and a waste of energy. Carrying a grudge? How's that working out for ya?

Cheap shot? He was perma-banned only to be let in recently due to nvidia pulling strings to let him back here (I am not arguing him being let back in, what's done is done). I would bet that a big part of keys stepping down is due to what nrollo did in the past. nrollo caused a lot of people including myself to stay away from video for a long time if not permanently. Seeing how you aren't as much of an active member here, I don't expect you to understand.

 

[ginfest]

As you folks hide behind your keyboards, how about the rules : "..no personal attacks..."
Post like these are why the forum was going to hell!

Oh and BTW : "let in recently due to nvidia pulling strings to let him back here .." any proof of that?

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: ginfest
As you folks hide behind your keyboards, how about the rules : "..no personal attacks..."
Post like these are why the forum was going to hell!

Oh and BTW : "let in recently due to nvidia pulling strings to let him back here .." any proof of that?

My comment was past tense about him being a scheming rat, which he was, that was why he was perma-banned. He has not caused any problems since he has been back. I have already explained why I still do not trust nor like him. It just irritates me that good mods/members have to go through stuff like this because of the past actions of members such as nrollo. People who read and post a lot in these forums develop trusts and relationships with other members. It sucks when one apple ruins it for a bunch.

Oh and BTW: direct quote from Derek Wilson "AnandTech has decided to allow Rollo to return. He works with NVIDIA and they asked us if we would consider allowing him back. "

 

[NinjaJedi]

Originally posted by: DerekWilson

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi
IMO it doesn't matter if you are biased/unbiased one way or the other. It doesn't matter if you are not here to market for the company. The fact that someone associated with AT be it a paid or unpaid employee is associated with a company that AT is supposed to do unbiased reviews for is a problem. It doesn't matter weather you are a moderator or editor or someone who writes reviews. It doesn't matter what forum you moderate for. The fact remains. Someone who works for AT is associated with a company that AT does unbiased reviews for. Many others have stated it. It's a matter of public perception. If you or other AT employees can't see the "conflict in interest" then something is really wrong. It gives me the impression that the AT site is biased regardless if they are or not. I would feel the same if it he (or any other AT employee) was part of a AMD/ATI focus group or part of any other department for either company.

To me it's not that you are in a focus group. It is that you are assoiated/work with/for nvidia and work for AT.

Since you know so much about the focus group, why don't you give us all a crash course about what my "job" is. I'd like to know what you think I am "required" to do as a member. Because if you really did know, you wouldn't be worried. You would welcome it. I mean, why wouldn't you? So, please. By all means, the floor is yours.

Like I said it has nothing to do with you being in a focus group and everything to do with you being associated with/working for nvidia. You could be a janitor or mail room guy and it would still be a conflict in interest. You could never post anything ever again and just moderate and it would still be a conflict in interest. The conflict is you work for nvidia and AT at the same time. Some in the public (me for one) might view this as AT being biased towards nvidia regardless if it is true or not.

The misconception then is that keys or any other moderator "works" for AnandTech.

He "works" for AnandTech just as much as any other member "works" for us by providing content for our forums. Some people just have an extra permissions bit set that allows them to moderate as well as post.

Do all the people who moderate Slashdot work for Slashdot?

There is no conflict of interest because there is no relationship there.

I'm sorry if there is some perception here that flies in the face of reality, but what you are claiming is more than a little ridiculous. I personally have a little more faith in people and I believe that our integrity speaks for itself through the quality of and lack of bias in our reviews.

He is associated with both parties. (AT and nvidia) If you or anyone else associated with AT can't see the problem then I wont say what I really think about it anymore.

IMO The fact that a banned member had "favors" called in by nvidia to have him allowed back. Leeds me to believe there is some sort of "biased" relationship with nvidia and AT going on. This is not an attack on said member just my OPINION. That is why this thread was posted so people can give their opinion isn't it? If it wasn't then it should have just been a single post and then locked.

My opinion is that a review site that does unbiased reviews for companies products should not have someone who is associated with the review site and a company that they do product reviews for.

You know my opinion I know yours. Do we really need to go on and on about it?

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: buck
Don't worry nrollo, those of us with half a brain know keys isn't the scheming rat you were.

What a cheap shot and a waste of energy. Carrying a grudge? How's that working out for ya?

Cheap shot? He was perma-banned only to be let in recently due to nvidia pulling strings to let him back here (I am not arguing him being let back in, what's done is done). I would bet that a big part of keys stepping down is due to what nrollo did in the past. nrollo caused a lot of people including myself to stay away from video for a long time if not permanently. Seeing how you aren't as much of an active member here, I don't expect you to understand.

I'm kinda drawing from my psychology and business degrees more than I am the number of times I've posted here. There's a lot of unhealthy activity here, especially this whole nRollo thing. You're right, I only vaugely remember the ordeal; but I know for certain holding on to past bullshit will do nothing but ROT you from the inside out.

At the end of the day, this day, what the hell does it matter what nRollo said years ago?

Peace.

 

[buck]

I am sorry it bothers you so much that you have to post about it. Feel free to PM me, who knows, you might be able to talk me out of hitting my SO tonight because I am so upset at nrollo.
:evil:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: buck
I am sorry it bothers you so much that you have to post about it. Feel free to PM me, who knows, you might be able to talk me out of hitting my SO tonight because I am so upset at nrollo.
:evil:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: buck
Don't worry nrollo, those of us with half a brain know keys isn't the scheming rat you were.

What a cheap shot and a waste of energy. Carrying a grudge? How's that working out for ya?

Cheap shot? He was perma-banned only to be let in recently due to nvidia pulling strings to let him back here (I am not arguing him being let back in, what's done is done). I would bet that a big part of keys stepping down is due to what nrollo did in the past. nrollo caused a lot of people including myself to stay away from video for a long time if not permanently. Seeing how you aren't as much of an active member here, I don't expect you to understand.

I'm kinda drawing from my psychology and business degrees more than I am the number of times I've posted here. There's a lot of unhealthy activity here, especially this whole nRollo thing. You're right, I only vaugely remember the ordeal; but I know for certain holding on to past bullshit will do nothing but ROT you from the inside out.

At the end of the day, this day, what the hell does it matter what nRollo said years ago?

Peace.

Hmmm
Wild, I have a BA-Psych, BS-Business as well, and share your hobby of gaming and chatting about video cards.

If you work as a software consultant,like to drink bourbon, and spend a ton of time fishing for bass and shooting ducks, I'm going to assume I'm in that episode of Star Trek where they go to the parallel universe....

In any case, it's possible Buck has some good reason (if there is such a thing) to have a grudge with me.

Before NVIDIA took over the group and banned such behavior, I responded to flames directed at me with "Flame on!" and used my "talents" to ridicule at times. (i.e. I really pissed some people off)

It seems to me Buck is one of those I locked horns with, IIRC he was annoyed with me to the extent he publicly vowed physical violence against me and was vacationed for it. I think I told him he took it too seriously.

Apparently my memory doesn't serve in this case, no offense intended Buck

 

[buck]

I am only responding this last time to tell you I never vowed violence to anyone including you on these forums. I was never vacationed for anything in the video forums, and I hope to keep it that way, that is why I am not going to reply in the thread anymore. If you don't believe me ask a mod, I never threatened anyone, thats just ridiculous.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: nRollo

It seems to me Buck is one of those I locked horns with, IIRC correctly he was annoyed with me to the extent he publicly vowed physical violence against me and was vacationed for it. I think I told him he took it too seriously.

If you recall incorrectly or do not have proof, you need to remove this statement. It is downright slanderious.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: buck
I am only responding this last time to tell you I never vowed violence to anyone including you on these forums. I was never vacationed for anything in the video forums, and I hope to keep it that way, that is why I am not going to reply in the thread anymore. If you don't believe me ask a mod, I never threatened anyone, thats just ridiculous.

My mistake and apology, I must be thinking of someone else.

Just saying that I riled up some here pretty good in days gone by, and I can understand them harboring some resentment.

All I can do going forward is be a less confrontational member of the community.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: nRollo

It seems to me Buck is one of those I locked horns with, IIRC correctly he was annoyed with me to the extent he publicly vowed physical violence against me and was vacationed for it. I think I told him he took it too seriously.

If you recall incorrectly or do not have proof, you need to remove this statement. It is downright slanderious.

I think Buck will survive my mistaken identity prefaced with "IIRC". (especially in the context of an example of why some here have grudges against me)

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: buck
I am only responding this last time to tell you I never vowed violence to anyone including you on these forums. I was never vacationed for anything in the video forums, and I hope to keep it that way, that is why I am not going to reply in the thread anymore. If you don't believe me ask a mod, I never threatened anyone, thats just ridiculous.

My mistake and apology, I must be thinking of someone else.

Just saying that I riled up some here pretty good in days gone by, and I can understand them harboring some resentment.

All I can do going forward is be a less confrontational member of the community.

A new leaf? OK .. i'm looking forward to seeing the "new helpful you" in action. It appeared to me that you returned with much the same habits as before ... but if you are really going to change .. i am all for it .. in fact i will join you in becoming less confrontational for the harmony of this forum

Now .. since the past [2 years] is the past, WHY did NVIDIA pick AEG to do the type of marketing that they did that caused such *chaos* here 2 years ago? i simply cannot comprehend why they stuck with them after it became clearly apparent that it would backfire?

ANd finally, WHY were you so "confrontational" if Focus Group members are supposed to be *helpful* ?- the other forums had no problem with their focus group members and hold them in very high esteem. What happened?

You might understand that some of us might still be suspicious and might like to have you give your side to "clear the air" so to speak
.. for a new beginning, you know

 

[nRollo]

I think the events of two years ago belong in discussions two years ago Apoppin', and don't want to discuss AEG, posts I made then, etc..

AEG has been gone two years, and the NVIDIA run Focus Group has always had full disclosure, as well as rules against flame war participation.

What's done is done, if people wish to judge me by the past, they are welcome to. I've adressed these matters several times and it's unlikely my doing so again will do anything other than start yet another long argument about the past.