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Guns cause shootings like pencils cause misspelled words.
Our horribly failed drug policy is to blame for the bulk of those anyway. Eventually I hope people will decide to treat the cause instead of just the symptoms.
Your population is also a lot more homogenous compared to ours.
K1052
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Originally posted by: 3NF
My 2 cents.
The only purpose for a gun is to kill, and I'm not into killing things, so I will never own one personally.
As for the 2nd amendment thing, I really don't understand what it is - in fact, I don't really understand many of our laws. All I know is that it was written back in the 1700s and the last I checked, things are much different now than they were then. I don't understand why so many people feel the need to hold onto things from so long ago. Times change, people change, and therefore rules/laws should change.
As for guns being used in "sport" to hunt, well, it's a pussy sport in my opinion. I don't see how one can call driving a bullet into the skull of an animal, sport. Now, if they animal could shoot back at you - well, then I would paid to see that
After considerable thought I think you are right.
That whole pesky Constitution thing gets in the way far too much anyway, might as well just toss the whole thing out and make our lives simpler
Or perhaps you should have a TAD more info before proposing radical changes to our most basic laws that even you admit you do not understand.
Originally posted by: goku
we were talking about roadrage a week ago and he happened to mention that people were so crazy that they keep guns in their glove compartment and I was like
Do you think it's unreasonable to keep a pistol in your glove compartment? I've always considering owning a few guns of my own but it seems like my dad would look down upon that...
it's insane to keep a gun inside your car. i'm glad i don't live in the US.
Canada's rate of gun ownership is roughly 1/3 of the United States, according to a broad consensus of government sources. I suspect you got this notion from Michael Moore's Bowling For Columbine (whether or not you are aware of it). Like most of Moores 'factoids' and assertions, the bit about Canada having higher rates of gun ownership is flat wrong.
However, there are some other differences between the United States and Canada. Roughly occupying the same geographic area as the US, Canada has about 1/10th our population. No single ethnic or racial minority accounts for more than 3% of Canada's population, with all ethnic and racial minorities combined representing no more than 12%. In the US, blacks alone represent 12% ~ 15% of our population. Canada is as lilly white as any Scandanavian country.
When Canada's homicide rates are compared to like-demographics in the United States, there is no statistically significant difference between our homicide rates. IOW, outside of the predominantly black or latino high-crime urban centers, when you compare lilly white areas of the United States most similar to Canadian demographics, the homicide rates are not stastically different, though these same areas in the US have the highest rates of gun ownership per capita.
There is more to the United State's higher homicide rates than guns. In fact, when you consider that urban centers with war-like homicide rates almost always have the most restrictive gun controls including sweeping bans, while communities with the most lax controls on firearms almost always have homicide rates comparable to Europe and Canada, it becomes obvious to any thinking person that there is little to no correlation between crime rates and gun control.
Some people like target shooting. Same thing with archery- nobody really needs to use a bow and arrow anymore, since that tool has been surpassed by better ones. But some people like the sport of it.
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: 3NF
My 2 cents.
The only purpose for a gun is to kill, and I'm not into killing things, so I will never own one personally.
As for the 2nd amendment thing, I really don't understand what it is - in fact, I don't really understand many of our laws. All I know is that it was written back in the 1700s and the last I checked, things are much different now than they were then. I don't understand why so many people feel the need to hold onto things from so long ago. Times change, people change, and therefore rules/laws should change.
As for guns being used in "sport" to hunt, well, it's a pussy sport in my opinion. I don't see how one can call driving a bullet into the skull of an animal, sport. Now, if they animal could shoot back at you - well, then I would paid to see that
After considerable thought I think you are right.
That whole pesky Constitution thing gets in the way far too much anyway, might as well just toss the whole thing out and make our lives simpler
Or perhaps you should have a TAD more info before proposing radical changes to our most basic laws that even you admit you do not understand.
What radical change did I propose? And I don't believe I said throw the whole thing out. All I'm saying is that today we don't necessarily need to follow some lame decision made in the 1700s. Also, I don't think the amendment necessarily meant that we should be allowed to walk around packing heat.
Basic law? Maybe for you, but it isn't for me. I didn't ask for it and I think I have the right to question it. Same idea with respect to religion. Time after time, people passing down garbage and garbage, never questioning anything and assuming it's the truth. Soon, we will all see that we were genetically engineered by aliens - and there is no God!
Originally posted by: goku
we were talking about roadrage a week ago and he happened to mention that people were so crazy that they keep guns in their glove compartment and I was like
Do you think it's unreasonable to keep a pistol in your glove compartment? I've always considering owning a few guns of my own but it seems like my dad would look down upon that...
Well, if you have cash in your pocket, you know.. for sure, that you are gonna spend it.. like someone mentioned above, if you are paranoid about keeping it one for yourself then go ahead..
Make sure you know the usage of it...
You will regrate when someone point it on your head...
I'm not religious, I don't personally own a gun, and I voted for Kerry in the last election. Yet I still believe that people should be able to own guns. If you looked into the issue a little deeper you'd see that it's about balance of power between people and government. That's what most of your rights are there for in the Constitution.
pff, so when a guy breaks into your house and puts your family in danger what are you going to do call the cops and wait for them to arrive? Also one could bring up the subject Hunting a sport that people judge by what they see on TV an animal being shot by a human.
If you walked around with a gun under your coat, would you all of a sudden become and armed robber?
The problem in the USA is that we have a large population of people that want to be "gangsta". The majority of shootings are done by this small group of people. Banning guns will remove the guns from the hands of the honest people, but the criminals aren't going to turn them in.
I don't leave my house without my pistol. While odds are that nothing will ever happen,I will be prepared if the time comes.(which I hope it never does)
I do have a license to carry concealed and I also hit the range every two weeks or so to stay sharp and always have a feel for my
weapon.
Bottom line is that I will defend myself,my family,my friends and my business........no matter what.
I do have a license to carry concealed and I also hit the range every two weeks or so to stay sharp and always have a feel for my
weapon.
Bottom line is that I will defend myself,my family,my friends and my business........no matter what.
I am not against a citzen owning firearms, I personally will never do so because I fear I might shot someone I love by accident....
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i carry in the car quite a bit, usually when i am going on a road trip and would be out far from others, sometimes in the city. i have grown up around guns and have had access to them my whole life. i live in a free state that really doesn't care what i carry (even concealed in the vehicle as long as i tell officer friendly about it should i get pulled over, or a suppressed firearm if i have the federal tax stamp) be it rifle, handgun, aw, shotgun whatever with the ammo in the gun and chambered.
being that i live in this state i need to assume the worst and that should something go bad the other person has a firearm too. if somebody did come up the vehicle the weapon would be ready to go in my hand but hidden - i woldn't want to escalate a situation if the other person wasn't exhibiting a life threatening situation, but being that i am also physically disabled i may perceive something to be a life threatening situation when i wouldn't have before my injury.
and for those that are afraid of the gun going off "accidentally" - wake up, the possibliity of that happening is extremely low - i would say that if you are a responsible, knowledgeable gun owner you have much better odds of getting struck by lightning while winnig the lottery than a gun randomly discharging - so you are more likely to die in a car wreck, more likely to die in a hospital for non-serious surgery, etc.
it is not the gun that is the problem, it is the idiot handling it that is the problem. but after reading many of goku's threads, in your case i would agree with you dad about you having a gun
and whoever said to just have an airsoft gun with the tip painted is just asking to be shot. once a firearm is drawn, things are going to get hairy really quick and if you are the one pulling the weapon expect to use it and also more than likely return fire - and his are probably not made out of rubber or plastic (or whatever the hell airsoft uses)
so i guess to each their own.
being that i live in this state i need to assume the worst and that should something go bad the other person has a firearm too. if somebody did come up the vehicle the weapon would be ready to go in my hand but hidden - i woldn't want to escalate a situation if the other person wasn't exhibiting a life threatening situation, but being that i am also physically disabled i may perceive something to be a life threatening situation when i wouldn't have before my injury.
and for those that are afraid of the gun going off "accidentally" - wake up, the possibliity of that happening is extremely low - i would say that if you are a responsible, knowledgeable gun owner you have much better odds of getting struck by lightning while winnig the lottery than a gun randomly discharging - so you are more likely to die in a car wreck, more likely to die in a hospital for non-serious surgery, etc.
it is not the gun that is the problem, it is the idiot handling it that is the problem. but after reading many of goku's threads, in your case i would agree with you dad about you having a gun
and whoever said to just have an airsoft gun with the tip painted is just asking to be shot. once a firearm is drawn, things are going to get hairy really quick and if you are the one pulling the weapon expect to use it and also more than likely return fire - and his are probably not made out of rubber or plastic (or whatever the hell airsoft uses)
so i guess to each their own.
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Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: 3NF
My 2 cents.
The only purpose for a gun is to kill, and I'm not into killing things, so I will never own one personally.
As for the 2nd amendment thing, I really don't understand what it is - in fact, I don't really understand many of our laws. All I know is that it was written back in the 1700s and the last I checked, things are much different now than they were then. I don't understand why so many people feel the need to hold onto things from so long ago. Times change, people change, and therefore rules/laws should change.
As for guns being used in "sport" to hunt, well, it's a pussy sport in my opinion. I don't see how one can call driving a bullet into the skull of an animal, sport. Now, if they animal could shoot back at you - well, then I would paid to see that
After considerable thought I think you are right.
That whole pesky Constitution thing gets in the way far too much anyway, might as well just toss the whole thing out and make our lives simpler
Or perhaps you should have a TAD more info before proposing radical changes to our most basic laws that even you admit you do not understand.
What radical change did I propose? And I don't believe I said throw the whole thing out. All I'm saying is that today we don't necessarily need to follow some lame decision made in the 1700s. Also, I don't think the amendment necessarily meant that we should be allowed to walk around packing heat.
Basic law? Maybe for you, but it isn't for me. I didn't ask for it and I think I have the right to question it. Same idea with respect to religion. Time after time, people passing down garbage and garbage, never questioning anything and assuming it's the truth. Soon, we will all see that we were genetically engineered by aliens - and there is no God!
But you admit to knowing nothing about why, how, or to what end it was written. How can you possibly make reasonable suggestions as to what changes should be made when you have exactly zero in the way of an informed perspective?
The Constitution is the foundation of all law (in one way or another) in the United States. Failure to grasp it's meaning and content (and then intentions of those who wrote it) is kind of bad. The mechanism for change is even included in the document itself since the founders were not dumb people.
Go get a copy of the Constitution, Federalist Papers, and several other history books that deal in detail with the beginning of the country and get back to us.
I didn't say any such changes should be made. All I'm saying is that we have the right to question what some moron wrote in the 1700s. I can understand why people think they need to have guns, and I'm fine with that. I personally won't ever own one.
I personally don't have any respect for our judicial system and the people in charge - they are all idiots.
Maybe I should buy a gun, since it looks like police think they have the right to open fire on innocent people - better protect myself from the law - IT'S WORTHLESS!!
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