Don Vito Corleone
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BTW, I didn't mean to pick on you - by all means enjoy your watch. I just get a little crazy when advertising hyperbole goes uncorrected.
BTW, I didn't mean to pick on you - by all means enjoy your watch. I just get a little crazy when advertising hyperbole goes uncorrected.
Here I'll add a little funnay story for you all. 2 years ago my brother-in-law brought his christmas bonus to the family Christmas eve party. He was walking around shaking his hand waiting for someone to comment on his watch well someone finally did. He told the family oh my boss gave it to all his managers as a bonus for the year. So he passes it around and everyone is like "wow","ohhh how nice", "oh my god you're so lucky" Well it finally gets in my hands and I start laughing and everyone says whats wrong. Well
I say "sorry bro but Real Rolexs don't have glass bottoms" He says thats bullshit so I go to my aunts computer and pull up a website the proves that real rolexs don't have glass bottoms. lets just say he put the watch in his pocket and stayed quiet the rest of the night. I didn't feel sorry for him since he thinks he's better than everyone else. TO THIS DAY I have NEVER seen him wear the watch.
I say "sorry bro but Real Rolexs don't have glass bottoms" He says thats bullshit so I go to my aunts computer and pull up a website the proves that real rolexs don't have glass bottoms. lets just say he put the watch in his pocket and stayed quiet the rest of the night. I didn't feel sorry for him since he thinks he's better than everyone else. TO THIS DAY I have NEVER seen him wear the watch.
I don't think any of us are offended. Maybe a tad bit annoyed that you're defending your watch so rigorously based on information you found from a replica watch seller.
I was annoyed at how you made it seem like the Folex was the next best thing from information found on the ever-so-reliable internet, but I guess I was overharsh on some aspects.
Enjoy your watch.
Enjoy your watch.
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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
How much more expensive?
A very simple model starts at about $6K, and they go well into the tens of thousands.
:Q
Don Vito Corleone
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You need to shut your mouth. Breitling is not in the same league as a Patek Philippe. And Rolex, while still not on the same level as a Patek Philippe, are still considered a coveted item as one ascends the ranks of society. Almost everyone in a profession you mentioned will at one point in their life own a Rolex (and most probably a Rolex DayDate with a Presidential band). That is just a watch that one tends to get in those professions, and the DayDate Presidential is definitely considered a status symbol there.
One of the major reasons why people love Rolex's is because even though they look good, they can take a sever beating. I can wear my DateJust while running, biking, doing yard-work, sports, etc... and if it gets dirty, I run it under warm water and a bit of soap, and it looks brand new. Rolex prides itself on making functional watches, not just watches that are meant to be worn in formal wear (With the major exception of the Cellini line).
I don't think anyone wearing a PP will go out and use it in a strenuous activity, considering a) the initial purchase price, b) the price of a repair, and c) I don't care who you are, you will be overprotective of it.
Another nice thing about Rolex is a repair and service are relatively cheap. You can buy an older Rolex, that is in horrible condition, and have it serviced back to like new condition (And trust me, you will not be able to tell it apart from a brand new Rolex) for less than 1000 dollars (usually 500-800 depending on parts that need replacing).
If I went diving a lot, I would have gotten myself a Submariner over my DateJust, and that Submariner would be damn near indestructible. I personally chose the DateJust because it looks good while wearing shorts and t-shirt, but looks just as good, if not better, while wearing formal attire.
And to the one person that said they would get an atomic clock over a Rolex: Rolex's are not purchased to be 100% accurate. Most people who buy a mechanical watch, buy it just for that reason (it is mechanical). There is just an allure to a micromachine that keep >99.993% accuracy; and with an automatic movement, there is the feeling that both you and the watch are mutually dependent on each other. As I get older, I plan on starting a collection of watches, including some more Rolex's (new and vintage), along with a Moonwatch (Omega Speedmaster Professional), and then possibly a fancier watch if need be as I acquire wealth. Watch collecting is not something for people who do not understand the reasons behind getting a mechanical watch.
most people on ATOT never get this:
ITS NOT THAT YOU WOULD SPEND 10K ON A WATCH, BUT THE FACT IS YOU CAN!!!
the people that spend that type of money on these already have the amazing computer and the plasma and the benz. Its the fact that you can spend 10k on a watch. Complain if you want, but accept it.
Kishan
ITS NOT THAT YOU WOULD SPEND 10K ON A WATCH, BUT THE FACT IS YOU CAN!!!
the people that spend that type of money on these already have the amazing computer and the plasma and the benz. Its the fact that you can spend 10k on a watch. Complain if you want, but accept it.
Kishan
I need to shut my mouth? Sorry for being one of the few realists around here.
Rolex repair relatively cheap? Compared to what? A Mercedes Benz?
New Rolex band: $1000+
New Rolex movement: $600+
Now lets do some fast math: New GMT's retail around $5000. The replacement cost for the band alone is $1000+ IF you can get rolex to sell you one. I asked the last time I went to Mayors and they told me how the process works.
"You can buy an older Rolex, that is in horrible condition, and have it serviced back to like new condition (And trust me, you will not be able to tell it apart from a brand new Rolex) for less than 1000 dollars'....."
Depending on parts that need replacing? You could be holding a submariner that got serviced at sears and needs $2000 in work. The under $1000 argument just dosent fly, sorry.
My doc's presidential loses several minutes a month, I asked him about it at my last visit. He prefers his breitling. Another friend has a submariner that loses 3 minutes - ITS A GODDAMN STATUS SYMBOL.
In summation: Bite my republican voting ass. Thats my 2 cents.
Rolex repair relatively cheap? Compared to what? A Mercedes Benz?
New Rolex band: $1000+
New Rolex movement: $600+
Now lets do some fast math: New GMT's retail around $5000. The replacement cost for the band alone is $1000+ IF you can get rolex to sell you one. I asked the last time I went to Mayors and they told me how the process works.
"You can buy an older Rolex, that is in horrible condition, and have it serviced back to like new condition (And trust me, you will not be able to tell it apart from a brand new Rolex) for less than 1000 dollars'....."
Depending on parts that need replacing? You could be holding a submariner that got serviced at sears and needs $2000 in work. The under $1000 argument just dosent fly, sorry.
My doc's presidential loses several minutes a month, I asked him about it at my last visit. He prefers his breitling. Another friend has a submariner that loses 3 minutes - ITS A GODDAMN STATUS SYMBOL.
In summation: Bite my republican voting ass. Thats my 2 cents.
Don Vito Corleone
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I'm not biting anything. You are wholly ignorant on this subject. I hope your political affiliation, in which you take such conspicuous pride, is better researched than your laughably incorrect watch intel.
Agreed. Phrased better than I probably could.
Rightwinger: If you really believe the sh|t that is spewing out of your mouth, go to forums.timezone.com and have them give you a reality check there. A complete movement overhaul costs 500 at most, but a normal service costs 300 (if my memory serves), and the service includes lubrication, repairing of worn parts, and a complete polishing of the watch. There is no "IF you can get rolex to see you one" when it comes to a band. They will happily replace a watch band for you, and you even save money if you let them keep the old worn one.
And to your losing several minutes a month argument, I see no point in arguing about anything. Losing 1-2 minutes a month is perfectly within specifications, but if he really wants to have his watch regulated to be more precise, it would a) be a walk in and out of a Rolex Service Center, and if watch is under warranty, it will be a free repair and done in about 15 minutes, b) send it to a RSC if he is not close to one, or c) bring it to a watchmaker, and have it regulated right in front of his eyes for probably under 100 dollars (you wont have the assurance that the watch is pressure tested though, unless you ask the watchmaker to do it).
I'm sorry, but wherever you are obtaining your information just sucks. A Rolex band, unless it has gold or platinum, will not cost 1000 dollars, more than likely will cost under 500-600 dollars. A Two Tone, or solid gold bracelet will cost a lot of money on any watch regardless. You will rarely see Rolex replace the whole movement on the watch, rather they will just replace parts that need replacing, and that costs ~300 dollars (might be 500, don't remember, but that would include the routine service) if my memory serves. On a very decrepit watch (we are talking stainless steel right now, no gold) where the crystal was cracked, crown tube was bent, and band needed replacing, I can't see it costing more for a service. Figure 500 for an oyster band (high end), 300 for service (which includes polishing to like new), and ~180 for crystal and crown tube, and its still under 1k, and those are high cost estimates.
Also, if you are paying 5k for a new GMT Master II, you got ripped a new one.
I have heard of submariners that were rusted to death from seals breaking, and them being fixed for cheap, compared to what they are worth.
Rolex has absolutely no problem selling you parts, their only stipulation is you do not get the old parts back from service. You get a slight discount on the cost of the new part, but because their is the possibility of creating a "fake real" Rolex movement using service parts, they will no longer sell parts to even authorized watch repair technicians.
Hey, I didnt say I'm paying $5k for a new one - thats the current retail price at Mayors.
No jewelers want to touch rolex repair - has to be sent to HQ in New York for any service.
I have a broken stainless band - the dealer cannot order me one. I have to send it to Rolex in NYC to have it REPLACED at an approximate cost of $1000-1500, I forget whether it was a jubilee band or not. I've spoken with several dealers and they all tell me that is the cost for the band alone.
Perhaps I should spend the $1500 and get an invoice fron Rolex USA to prove it.....
No jewelers want to touch rolex repair - has to be sent to HQ in New York for any service.
I have a broken stainless band - the dealer cannot order me one. I have to send it to Rolex in NYC to have it REPLACED at an approximate cost of $1000-1500, I forget whether it was a jubilee band or not. I've spoken with several dealers and they all tell me that is the cost for the band alone.
Perhaps I should spend the $1500 and get an invoice fron Rolex USA to prove it.....
You= Dumb. Some people like spending 300 dollars on watches that will last for a LONG time. Before my Swiss Army Titanium, I had Timex digital ones...the 40 dollar ones? Broke within months. I've had this one for 2 years, and haven't had a SINGLE problem.
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
My bro thought this was some cheap fake that you get for $50 and gave it to me for my bday gift, little did he know the true quality and value of the watch. After doing a lot of research on fake rolexes all night, I found out my fake Rolex wasn't just a fake Rolex, but a very precise replica of the real thing, with all the parts made in Switzerland. It uses a high quality ETA-25 crystal, which is the same quality as the automatic time crystals that come in genuine Rolex's, if not higher quality, since ETA has been in the business three times longer than Rolex.
Real watch, $10,000
High quality swiss made replica that's 99% the same $1500
gift from bro - $0
Only thing that makes it fake is that the chronograph doesn't work, but everything else is basically the same quality stuff. High quality stainless steel, laser etched engravings, encluding a laser etch of the rolex crown on the high qualty scratch proof sapphire display.
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The real thing, indistinguishable from the replica
I feel like I just won the lottery
Woah woah woah, slow down there a sec....man this was posted yesterday and I missed it?
First off, with regards to the piece you are showing in your images it is very easily recognizable as a fake and my best guess is that its actual value is close to $3-5 (that is production cost, street price if haggled would be about $15) So your brother got a little taken if he paid $50 but not that badly.
With regards to ETA they are a division of the Swatch Watch Co. and primarily make watch movements or the internals such as either the mechanical or quartz modules. While there were a few ETA watches, ETA has stopped production and now only supplies other companies with internal components. Brands which use ETA are Omega, IWC, Breitling, Movado, Tag Heuer, Baume and Mercier, Rado and many many others including some sub $200 watches.
From looking at those pictures I would guess that your watch has a quartz movement, something which you will no longer find in a Rolex oyster model. If yours does in fact have an ETA mechanical movement (which I highly doubt) then it would be a 2824 with a DD Chrono module on it which allows for the subdials to be in the tri compax layout, the only other ETA/Valijoux movement that is low budget is the 7750 and that has a 3,6,9 dial layout and it is highly unlikely that is in this watch.
With regards to "indistinguishable" from the real thing, I can say off hand that I can pick out quite a few things which are "incorrect" starting with the case finish, the bracelet endlinks and also the clasp design, the dial and more specifically the applied hour markers, the pushers for the chrono, and they crystal height come to my attention almost immediatley, given more time I am sure I can come up with a few more discrepencies.
Also the fact that your chrono pushers are non functional lead me to believe this is a lower cost chinese replica.
The Swiss replicas are very nice, and as you mentioned very expensive for a replica but they are also very discernable from the real deal.
Sorry
Not at all correct, Rolex has some of the tightest distribution control of any company...the best one can do is a grey market deal and in the case of the Daytona the second hand prices are far more expensive than the $6,500 MSRP of the Steel model. Generally second hand prices of new pieces range from 9K-11K.
Again not entirely correct, While Omega does make some amazing pieces their standard lineup IMHO is nothing too spectacular, Omega is a sub division of the Swatch Watch co. Most of their watches share components with many other brands and while they are nice I wouldn't put them in the same league as Rolex simply because Rolex uses some of the highest quality materials and also some amazing manufacturing techniques plus the history of Rolex is unbroken whereas Omega almost went bankrupt in the late 70s/early 80s due to their dropping of classic watches and trying to compete with the Japanese quartz watches...their vintage pieces are very nice though and pre 1960 they were regarded as being a more elegant watch than Rolex.
Tags are also nice, I would rate them just below Omega for most of their models but many are on par and in some cases (their Zenith based models) better.
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
How much more expensive?
Typical Rolex in SS is about $4,000 for a mens sport model, about $3,500 for a Dress....Entry level SS Pateks are about $7,000 and up and that is their low end, most of their pieces are precious metal only and upwards of $30K
Very good Marauder, actually and I think you already know this but Rolex is the only company to use 904 grade steel, also while the center links are polished and the tops of the outer links are brushed, the sides of the links on a Daytona are also mirror finish. Another key point of the Rolex braclet is that the solid end links are flush fit and the clasp is a solid design which is a departure from their older models and also it features microadjustments in the center portion and an internal non tool modified half link which can be extended for changes in weather (body swells with humidity and shrinks in fall).
Totally incorrect,
First off the basic patek service runs anywhere from $800-$1000 and that is not considering the cost of replacement parts which you as the consumer are billed extra for, also factor in that the average patek service takes anywhere from 6 months to a year.
the basic Rolex service is about $300, parts are extra, and turnover is about two months tops.
A new Rolex SS bracelet for the older non solid style is about $600, $400 with trade in of your old band. A basic SS Breitling band I believe is about $1000-$1,200 give or take.
With re. movement costs, generally unless your watch suffers severe damage you should never need one, but your costs for a Rolex movement are a little low as I thought they were upwards of $800...breilting is much cheaper as they use generic ETA 2824 movements with light modificiation all performed by ETA and ordered by Breitling.
A new GMT is only about $3,900 in Stainless.
With regards to your Doc, chances are he doesn't know anything about watches, has had it for a while and not serviced, or wears it too loose....all of these watches which are mechanical can lose time, his either needs a lubrication, a regulation or he simply needs to learn the ins and outs of mechanical watches.
again incorrect, if anything Rolex watches are some of the easiest to repair, the only issue is with parts but that is only due to company controls, and even Swatch/ETA are starting to regulate parts which will make any watch based on an ETA movement as hard as or even more difficult to repair than a Rolex.
Again your costs for bands are way off for Stainless, $600 without swap and $400 with a swap is the norm.
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