My Counterfeit Rolex is SWISS made!

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PowerMacG5

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
DonVito, I don't know where you get your info from, but I just read pretty much all the pdf's on that replicacenter site. They said it's pretty much impossible to get a genuine eta movement "crystal"(which is what they called it), for under $700. I know it's not made in switzerland, but all the parts are from switzerland and assembled in china, then shipped back to switzerland for fine tuning, which is what I read from that site.

That site also explained that ETA is in the business 3 times longer than Rolex, and thus ETA movement is comparable if not better than Rolex movement.

According to the site, if the band is very shiny like a mirror, then it is using low grade steel, and is japanese made. But my band has a slightly brushed texture, and is not completely chrome, which indicates it's using the high grade 440 stainless steel, exclusive to swiss made watches. Then according to that site, swiss made watches usually all use sapphire lens.
Also under the time adjustment "crown", there is the rubber sealant gasket, which is also exclusive to only the highest quality replicas.
Lastly, the true 3d holographic sticker on the bottom is also exclusive to the highest quality swiss made replicas.
You need to get your terminology straight if you want to talk to some people about watches. Inside of a mechanical movement, their is no crystal. The movement is powered by the unwinding of a mainspring, which is controlled by the balance wheel (in an electrical watch, a quartz crystals vibrations controls the ticking of the motor). And like I said, ETA movements are not comparable to a Rolex in house movement. And swiss watches either use 316L steel, or 904L steel. And on a Daytona, the center links should have a mirror finish, while the side links (dont know the proper word, but the links that go around the finished center links) are brushed. And the glass part of the watch is called a crystal, not a lens. On Rolex's, the lens on Date models (sans the Seadweller) is called a cyclops.
 

Epoman

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Lastly, the true 3d holographic sticker on the bottom is also exclusive to the highest quality swiss made replicas.

Well thats not entirely true I've seen some bad fakes with the 3d holo sticker.
 

yhelothar

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I know I have a lot of misinformation in here. I just started reading up on this stuff tonight, so forgive me if I used the wrong terminology.
Also I was wrong when I said crystal, they're actually called "jewels"

Also about ETA having better regarded movements than Rolex, I got my information from this pdf
"As your probably know, ETA is a 300 year old company that is almost 3 times as experienced as Rolex in making automatic movements. So of course the movements are just as good, if not better."

So that site is lying and purposely trying to make their replicas look better?
 

yhelothar

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Blame replicacenter.com for any of my misinformation, that's where I got all my info about these replicas.
 

PowerMacG5

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I know I have a lot of misinformation in here. I just started reading up on this stuff tonight, so forgive me if I used the wrong terminology.
Also I was wrong when I said crystal, they're actually called "jewels"
Even by talking about the jewels, your statement above makes no sense. All modern movements use jewels in the movement. Rolex movements use jewels in the rotor assembly as well, cheaper movements still use bushings. The jewels act as a near zero friction mount point for all the different components of the movement.

Also about ETA having better regarded movements than Rolex, I got my information from this pdf
"As your probably know, ETA is a 300 year old company that is almost 3 times as experienced as Rolex in making automatic movements. So of course the movements are just as good, if not better."

So that site is lying and purposely trying to make their replicas look better?

Ding ding ding, we have a winnAr. As I said, ETA is nowhere near the same level as a Rolex (much like Rolex is not on the same level as JLC, or PP, or AP). They do not have 3x the experience in making automatic movements, because most companies started creating and mass producing them around the same time. For instnace, most watches were still hand wound back in the 1940's-1950's, so I dont care what company you had, you were pretty much hand winding your movement. Perpetual (or automatics) became popular around that time, but were more expensive.
 

randomlinh

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i love my kinetic pulsar. $80 after a $50 coupon from ashford :) It's too bad it's nearly 5 yrs old and banged up :( the glass has been chipped and moisture is under it I think.

Really hard to find a nice looking watch for myself, damn skinny asian wrists... the only thing missing on this is some kind of dim inidgo light :)
 

Epoman

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Originally posted by: lnguyen
i love my kinetic pulsar. $80 after a $50 coupon from ashford :) It's too bad it's nearly 5 yrs old and banged up :( the glass has been chipped and moisture is under it I think.

Really hard to find a nice looking watch for myself, damn skinny asian wrists... the only thing missing on this is some kind of dim inidgo light :)

:thumbsup:
 

preslove

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If they made such great watches why would they put out fakes. Couldn't they just put out their own, branded watches?
 

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I can't tell but the two Tags I bought from dealers, one died (was RMA), the other one gets sent back to their repair shop a few times.. Not what you would expect from $2k watches.. but crap happens.. I been eyeing a Omega Seamaster.. maybe for x-mas this year, ill finally get it..




I own 3 tags and they all worked really well. All three of them are 10+ years old! Still accurate as hell[/quote]


They're not bad but out of the 4 I got, 2 were good and two were RMAed.. I haven't wore my watch in 2-3 years now.. I like to have the Omega but i doubt I'm going to wear it..
 

fyleow

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I know I have a lot of misinformation in here. I just started reading up on this stuff tonight, so forgive me if I used the wrong terminology.
Also I was wrong when I said crystal, they're actually called "jewels"

Also about ETA having better regarded movements than Rolex, I got my information from this pdf
"As your probably know, ETA is a 300 year old company that is almost 3 times as experienced as Rolex in making automatic movements. So of course the movements are just as good, if not better."

So that site is lying and purposely trying to make their replicas look better?

If you want to compare the accuracy of the ETA movement with Rolex you can do a simple test. Synchronize the seconds with a decent quality quartz watch and let it run for a day. Check to see how many seconds your fake Rolex has gained or lost.

A genuine Rolex should be about +/- 3 seconds, and my 35 year old Datejust is +/- 6 seconds but hasn't been serviced in 10 years.
 

PowerMacG5

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Originally posted by: fyleow
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I know I have a lot of misinformation in here. I just started reading up on this stuff tonight, so forgive me if I used the wrong terminology.
Also I was wrong when I said crystal, they're actually called "jewels"

Also about ETA having better regarded movements than Rolex, I got my information from this pdf
"As your probably know, ETA is a 300 year old company that is almost 3 times as experienced as Rolex in making automatic movements. So of course the movements are just as good, if not better."

So that site is lying and purposely trying to make their replicas look better?

If you want to compare the accuracy of the ETA movement with Rolex you can do a simple test. Synchronize the seconds with a decent quality quartz watch and let it run for a day. Check to see how many seconds your fake Rolex has gained or lost.

A genuine Rolex should be about +/- 3 seconds, and my 35 year old Datejust is +/- 6 seconds but hasn't been serviced in 10 years.

Actually, you are misinformed. A genuine Rolex that has been COSC certified (well, any mechanical watch that has been COSC certified) should lie between -4 and +6 seconds. I don't care which manufacture, they all follow the same standard if they are certified. Now, some companies try to get better than that, but -4/+6 is the standard to which Rolex and most companies follow. Now, if your watch is running faster/slower than that, then you can get it regulated, and something the watch will have better accuracy, but its a crapshoot. No two mechanical watches are exactly the same. This means I can take two seemingly identical watches, and adjust the balance wheel exactly the same, and one may be more accurate than the other. I personally have no problem with -4/+6 seconds a day, as my Rolex has been running+4, but it seems to have broken in to about +2 right now. Better to be faster, than slower.
 

fyleow

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Originally posted by: Marauder911
Originally posted by: fyleow
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I know I have a lot of misinformation in here. I just started reading up on this stuff tonight, so forgive me if I used the wrong terminology.
Also I was wrong when I said crystal, they're actually called "jewels"

Also about ETA having better regarded movements than Rolex, I got my information from this pdf
"As your probably know, ETA is a 300 year old company that is almost 3 times as experienced as Rolex in making automatic movements. So of course the movements are just as good, if not better."

So that site is lying and purposely trying to make their replicas look better?

If you want to compare the accuracy of the ETA movement with Rolex you can do a simple test. Synchronize the seconds with a decent quality quartz watch and let it run for a day. Check to see how many seconds your fake Rolex has gained or lost.

A genuine Rolex should be about +/- 3 seconds, and my 35 year old Datejust is +/- 6 seconds but hasn't been serviced in 10 years.

Actually, you are misinformed. A genuine Rolex that has been COSC certified (well, any mechanical watch that has been COSC certified) should lie between -4 and +6 seconds. I don't care which manufacture, they all follow the same standard if they are certified. Now, some companies try to get better than that, but -4/+6 is the standard to which Rolex and most companies follow. Now, if your watch is running faster/slower than that, then you can get it regulated, and something the watch will have better accuracy, but its a crapshoot. No two mechanical watches are exactly the same. This means I can take two seemingly identical watches, and adjust the balance wheel exactly the same, and one may be more accurate than the other. I personally have no problem with -4/+6 seconds a day, as my Rolex has been running+4, but it seems to have broken in to about +2 right now. Better to be faster, than slower.


Yes I know I didn't list the exact COSC specifications but that wasn't really my point. My point is that he test it and find out for himself just how accurate his watch is. I was just giving him a rough reference of how much time would be gained/lost on a Rolex. My dad's Rolex gains about 3 seconds if he lays the watch down with the crown up when he sleeps.

I personally don't wear my Rolex at all, it doesn't feel right to be wearing one at 18. Nobody would believe that it was real anyway. It also uses the acrylic plastic instead of sapphire crystal and I'm afraid of scratching it.

I stick to my Seiko for daily use with it's Sapphire Crystal, 4 year power reserve, and quartz accuracy ;)
 

isekii

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Originally posted by: Epoman
Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Lastly, the true 3d holographic sticker on the bottom is also exclusive to the highest quality swiss made replicas.

Well thats not entirely true I've seen some bad fakes with the 3d holo sticker.

It's a fvcking sticker, how much can it cost to manufacture.
 

PowerMacG5

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Originally posted by: fyleow
Originally posted by: Marauder911
Originally posted by: fyleow
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I know I have a lot of misinformation in here. I just started reading up on this stuff tonight, so forgive me if I used the wrong terminology.
Also I was wrong when I said crystal, they're actually called "jewels"

Also about ETA having better regarded movements than Rolex, I got my information from this pdf
"As your probably know, ETA is a 300 year old company that is almost 3 times as experienced as Rolex in making automatic movements. So of course the movements are just as good, if not better."

So that site is lying and purposely trying to make their replicas look better?

If you want to compare the accuracy of the ETA movement with Rolex you can do a simple test. Synchronize the seconds with a decent quality quartz watch and let it run for a day. Check to see how many seconds your fake Rolex has gained or lost.

A genuine Rolex should be about +/- 3 seconds, and my 35 year old Datejust is +/- 6 seconds but hasn't been serviced in 10 years.

Actually, you are misinformed. A genuine Rolex that has been COSC certified (well, any mechanical watch that has been COSC certified) should lie between -4 and +6 seconds. I don't care which manufacture, they all follow the same standard if they are certified. Now, some companies try to get better than that, but -4/+6 is the standard to which Rolex and most companies follow. Now, if your watch is running faster/slower than that, then you can get it regulated, and something the watch will have better accuracy, but its a crapshoot. No two mechanical watches are exactly the same. This means I can take two seemingly identical watches, and adjust the balance wheel exactly the same, and one may be more accurate than the other. I personally have no problem with -4/+6 seconds a day, as my Rolex has been running+4, but it seems to have broken in to about +2 right now. Better to be faster, than slower.


Yes I know I didn't list the exact COSC specifications but that wasn't really my point. My point is that he test it and find out for himself just how accurate his watch is. I was just giving him a rough reference of how much time would be gained/lost on a Rolex. My dad's Rolex gains about 3 seconds if he lays the watch down with the crown up when he sleeps.

I personally don't wear my Rolex at all, it doesn't feel right to be wearing one at 18. Nobody would believe that it was real anyway. It also uses the acrylic plastic instead of sapphire crystal and I'm afraid of scratching it.

I stick to my Seiko for daily use with it's Sapphire Crystal, 4 year power reserve, and quartz accuracy ;)

Heh, I am 18 too, and I got the watch for me, not anyone else, so I dont care if people believe it is real or not.

I do have a suggestion for your dad. Try laying it crown down instead of crown up, because crown up should be the least accurate position (this is the one position not tested when they do a COSC certification). It may just be that they way he wears it during the day, and then sit it crown up and night causes the equalling out to +3, but tell him to try crown down, and see how accurate it is. In my small tests, crown down seemed to cause the watch to run slightly slower at night than the other positions.
 

yhelothar

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My replica seems to be pretty accurate. I calibrated it to an online atomic clock yesterday. I woke up this afternoon to find my watch one second fast.
I'm happy with my watch considering I got it for free.

If I ever spent money on a watch, I would have gotten one of those atomic ones, and not a Rolex.
Though I was anxiously waiting for my Swiss Amry Officer's Watch to arrive from the windowsmobiletraining :) Guess I'll be selling that now, if it ever comes.
 

Epoman

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
My replica seems to be pretty accurate. I calibrated it to an online atomic clock yesterday. I woke up this afternoon to find my watch one second fast.
I'm happy with my watch considering I got it for free.

If I ever spent money on a watch, I would have gotten one of those atomic ones, and not a Rolex.
Though I was anxiously waiting for my Swiss Amry Officer's Watch to arrive from the windowsmobiletraining :) Guess I'll be selling that now, if it ever comes.

If I were you I would only wear the POLEX for special events and wear the Swiss Amry Officer's Watch as an everyday watch. That's what I do. It really looks silly if your wearing the rolex to MickeyD's
or to school.
 

cy7878

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
My replica seems to be pretty accurate. I calibrated it to an online atomic clock yesterday. I woke up this afternoon to find my watch one second fast.
I'm happy with my watch considering I got it for free.

If I ever spent money on a watch, I would have gotten one of those atomic ones, and not a Rolex.
Though I was anxiously waiting for my Swiss Amry Officer's Watch to arrive from the windowsmobiletraining :) Guess I'll be selling that now, if it ever comes.


Hate to tell you this, but accuracy isn't a strong point with mechnical movements. In fact a typical Rolex will be off a few minutes a month, and that is accpetable. Quartz is by far more accurate than automatics.

Also the automatics' second hand doesn't "move", it ticks also, but at faster frequency, to make it look like a fluid motion. A typical Rolex will "tick" 8-10 times a second.