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VRAMdemon

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Interesting...

A Republican group called "Republicans for the Rule of Law" is hand-delivering special counsel Robert Mueller's report, with sections highlighted, to every lawmaker in its party.

They also released a video with three GOP-appointed federal prosecutors claiming Trump would have been indicted if he were not president.

"The rule of law has always been a nonnegotiable principle of the conservative movement and the Republican Party. These veterans of the Reagan and Bush Administrations are reminding us that the law applies the same to everyone — even the president. Republicans and all Americans need to listen," said Chris Truax, a Republicans for the Rule of Law spokesman.

I wondered if/when any principled Republicans working in the legal field were ever going to stand up for the rule of law. I guess a few have finally shown up. Hopefully, it will, over the coming months, become crystal-clear to everyone which Republicans have an "uncompromising commitment to the rule of law", and which don't. The Republican leadership likes rule of law. They just want to decide moment-to-moment what the law is.
 

IronWing

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These veterans of the Reagan and Bush Administrations are reminding us that the law applies the same to everyone — even the president.
Hahahahahaha!
 

DarthKyrie

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Interesting...

A Republican group called "Republicans for the Rule of Law" is hand-delivering special counsel Robert Mueller's report, with sections highlighted, to every lawmaker in its party.

They also released a video with three GOP-appointed federal prosecutors claiming Trump would have been indicted if he were not president.



I wondered if/when any principled Republicans working in the legal field were ever going to stand up for the rule of law. I guess a few have finally shown up. Hopefully, it will, over the coming months, become crystal-clear to everyone which Republicans have an "uncompromising commitment to the rule of law", and which don't. The Republican leadership likes rule of law. They just want to decide moment-to-moment what the law is.

Hahahahahaha!

Silly Libtard thinks laws apply to the GOP, how naive. It's all about the liberal tears, their feels, the uber-rich, and corporations.
 

Jhhnn

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Roger Stone's lawyers tried to argue that there couldn't be obstruction without an underlying crime just the other day.



Turns out that some shit Bill Barr just made up was not a cheat code to make obstruction of justice disappear. Hopefully

I liked this part in particular-

At one point, Jackson held her head in her hands and spoke into her bench to remind Stone’s lawyer he had strayed from the argument he was supposed to be discussing.

She's sooo biased! Why, Stone has every right to waste the court's time with specious & tedious bullshit.
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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Interesting...

A Republican group called "Republicans for the Rule of Law" is hand-delivering special counsel Robert Mueller's report, with sections highlighted, to every lawmaker in its party.

They also released a video with three GOP-appointed federal prosecutors claiming Trump would have been indicted if he were not president.



I wondered if/when any principled Republicans working in the legal field were ever going to stand up for the rule of law. I guess a few have finally shown up. Hopefully, it will, over the coming months, become crystal-clear to everyone which Republicans have an "uncompromising commitment to the rule of law", and which don't. The Republican leadership likes rule of law. They just want to decide moment-to-moment what the law is.

Can they file charges against Mitch McConnell on behalf of the American People? That would be cool. That little shitburger needs to go first.
 

hal2kilo

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Well, Bill Maher said it best in his monologue. The Mueller report was like getting married, and when the minister ask if you will take this woman for you wife, you say, "Well I don't not take her."
I like this one. Mueller took a book to a twitter fight.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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Media take notes for whoever besides Fox gets the next interview, if ever.

Home run for Jonathan Swan. More truth Trump supporters will refuse to watch.
 

sportage

Lifer
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Frankly, all of those Trump's are freakin weird.
Even those that marry into the family.
WHERE do they dig them up?
Kushner would have made an excellent Nazi Gestapo officer.
I can just hear Kushner defending the horrors of old daddy Adolf.

Then consider daughter Ivanka. She looks and acts as if she were manufactured in some plastics factory. When the two have sex Ivanka dresses up as the man and Jared as the woman. You know they do.

Then we have the two Trump sons. You can't get more inbred than that.
This is weird beyond weird. Ooky is the word.

And take Melania Trump. I don't know what it is up her butt, but i wish she'd remove it. Melania is like the nanny that ends up killing the entire family in their sleep. Then gets away with it.
I think they made a movie about Melania during her childhood years. It's called THE BAD SEED. The seemly perfect child that was anything but....

Just think of the Trump clan as THE ADDAMS FAMILY.
How does that theme song go?

They're creepy and they're kooky,
Mysterious and spooky,
They're altogether ooky,
The Addams Family.
 
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VRAMdemon

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Can they file charges against Mitch McConnell on behalf of the American People? That would be cool. That little shitburger needs to go first.

Yeah, agreed...I'd be all for impeaching Mitch if it were a thing that could be done. Unlike Trump, he's exceedingly competent at what he does. He's the true soulless face of the Republican Party.

One part of what's made it work for him so well is a total lack of interest in grandstanding - it's a rare Senator who doesn't feel like his/her face deserves to be on the TV all the time. If he were a publicity hound, he'd have been a lightning rod a decade ago, and it would have made him way less effective.

He's also dramatically changed the role of the Senate during his time as Majority Leader in particular, although this really started during his time in the minority; being in the majority just allowed him to perfect it. As far as he's concerned, the Senate doesn't have to do anything. And unless there's something in it for his true constituency, it won't, while he's in charge. Which is why confirming extremely conservative Federal judges is practically all the Senate is doing these days.

And he can confirm them much faster, having reduced the time of debate down from 30 hours to a mere 2 hours. For a lifetime appointment to the Federal bench. Which is one hell of a thing, when you think about it, yet the Dems either didn't try to make a big ruckus over it, or didn't succeed. Either way, another of Mitch's gifts is a sense of what he can get away with.

McConnell has done more than anyone in this era, and perhaps ever, to destroy consensus politics. Nowhere is this better illustrated than when he said one of his proudest moments is blocking the nomination of Garland. One of his proudest moments: Not working to forge an agreements. But basically one of his proudest moments is saying fuck you to a good fraction of the nation, millions of people.

And Now...

Mitch McConnell Says He’d Go After Supreme Court Vacancy In 2020: ‘We’d Fill It’

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Tuesday he would work to fill any Supreme Court vacancy in 2020, an election year, despite his efforts to scuttle Judge Merrick Garland’s nomination to the bench for that very reason in 2016.


Complete little neo-facist POS. If you don't think this is exactly the abuse of partisan party politics that the founders wanted to stamp out, your reading in history is inadequate.

Harvard Constitutional Law Professor Unloads On ‘Flagrant Dickhead’ Mitch McConnell.

"Flagrant Dickhead"? the professor's being awfully polite.

If the US has someone whom historians will look back on as the gravedigger of American democracy, it is Mitch McConnell" - Christopher Browning in a remarkable piece.
 

dank69

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Yeah, agreed...I'd be all for impeaching Mitch if it were a thing that could be done. Unlike Trump, he's exceedingly competent at what he does. He's the true soulless face of the Republican Party.

One part of what's made it work for him so well is a total lack of interest in grandstanding - it's a rare Senator who doesn't feel like his/her face deserves to be on the TV all the time. If he were a publicity hound, he'd have been a lightning rod a decade ago, and it would have made him way less effective.

He's also dramatically changed the role of the Senate during his time as Majority Leader in particular, although this really started during his time in the minority; being in the majority just allowed him to perfect it. As far as he's concerned, the Senate doesn't have to do anything. And unless there's something in it for his true constituency, it won't, while he's in charge. Which is why confirming extremely conservative Federal judges is practically all the Senate is doing these days.

And he can confirm them much faster, having reduced the time of debate down from 30 hours to a mere 2 hours. For a lifetime appointment to the Federal bench. Which is one hell of a thing, when you think about it, yet the Dems either didn't try to make a big ruckus over it, or didn't succeed. Either way, another of Mitch's gifts is a sense of what he can get away with.

McConnell has done more than anyone in this era, and perhaps ever, to destroy consensus politics. Nowhere is this better illustrated than when he said one of his proudest moments is blocking the nomination of Garland. One of his proudest moments: Not working to forge an agreements. But basically one of his proudest moments is saying fuck you to a good fraction of the nation, millions of people.

And Now...

Mitch McConnell Says He’d Go After Supreme Court Vacancy In 2020: ‘We’d Fill It’




Complete little neo-facist POS. If you don't think this is exactly the abuse of partisan party politics that the founders wanted to stamp out, your reading in history is inadequate.

Harvard Constitutional Law Professor Unloads On ‘Flagrant Dickhead’ Mitch McConnell.

"Flagrant Dickhead"? the professor's being awfully polite.

If the US has someone whom historians will look back on as the gravedigger of American democracy, it is Mitch McConnell" - Christopher Browning in a remarkable piece.
Roughly half of America loves that he does the shit he does. Even people that don't like Republicans love it when Democrats get fucked. To America, Democrats are nothing but baby-eating soda-grabbing snowflakes. And black people. And other minorities we hate. And uppity. Maybe if Democrats stopped hating America things would change.
 

hal2kilo

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Wow, not only is he a criminal, he totally out of his element. He has 0 clues. Well, nothing will be solved in the middle east, that's for sure.
 

dank69

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Conservative Land is abuzz with the idea that Mueller selectively edited the Transcript of the Dowd voicemail. Hannity and Fox are running with it, along with the idea that nothing Dowd said was illegal anyway, and just good legal advice.

Anyway, the transcripts. Mueller's version:
I understand your situation, but let me see if I can't state it in starker terms. . . . [≡I]t wouldn't surprise me if you've gone on to make a deal with ... the government. ... [≡I]f . .. there's information that implicates the President, then we've got a national security issue, . . . so, you know, . . . we need some kind of heads up. Um, just for the sake of protecting all our interests if we can .... [≡R]emember what we've always said about the ' President and his feelings toward Flynn and, that still remains ....
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Full version:
Hey, Rob, uhm, this is John again. Uh, maybe, I-I-I-'m-I'm sympathetic; I understand your situation, but let me see if I can't ... state it in ... starker terms. If you have ... and it wouldn't surprise me if you've gone on to make a deal with, and, uh, work with the government, uh ... I understand that you can't join the joint defense; so that's one thing. If, on the other hand, we have, there's information that ... implicates the President, then we've got a national security issue, or maybe a national security issue, I don't know ... some issue, we got to-we got to deal with, not only for the President, but for the country. So ... uh ... you know, then-then, you know, we need some kind of heads up. Um, just for the sake of ... protecting all our interests, if we can, without you having to give up any ... confidential information. So, uhm, and if it's the former, then, you know, remember what we've always said about the President and his feelings toward Flynn and, that still remains, but — Well, in any event, uhm, let me know, and, uh, I appreciate your listening and taking the time. Thanks, Pal.

Bolded the statement that apparently completely changes the akai(?), tenor, and content.
 

SMOGZINN

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Conservative Land is abuzz with the idea that Mueller selectively edited the Transcript of the Dowd voicemail. Hannity and Fox are running with it, along with the idea that nothing Dowd said was illegal anyway, and just good legal advice.

The editing does not matter, does it. Either version contains the assumption that there is evidence that could implicate the President, and that he might have it. It also includes an attempt to influence his testimony.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Nothing will break the partisan barrier. Trump could shoot somebody, remember?

Indeed and you agree. Naturally someone could do an unmentionable act in self defense, but short of that there's no "no" in our law although you said otherwise. If I'm wrong then the President is subject to arrest and criminal consequences arise due to his acts. Trump can shoot people with impunity or he cannot, and impeachment does nothing for that.

You can't have it both ways.
 

fskimospy

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Conservative Land is abuzz with the idea that Mueller selectively edited the Transcript of the Dowd voicemail. Hannity and Fox are running with it, along with the idea that nothing Dowd said was illegal anyway, and just good legal advice.

Anyway, the transcripts. Mueller's version:


Full version:


Bolded the statement that apparently completely changes the akai(?), tenor, and content.

That changes absolutely nothing. Trump's lawyer knew that he was a cooperating witness for the government and was asking him to provide information about what he had told them. Not having become a lawyer yesterday Dowd would know that everything Flynn had discussed with the government was confidential, insofar as Flynn and his cooperation deal were concerned.

The only way this narrative works is if their argument is that Trump hired utterly incompetent lawyers that didn't know Flynn couldn't reveal that information.
 

dank69

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That changes absolutely nothing. Trump's lawyer knew that he was a cooperating witness for the government and was asking him to provide information about what he had told them. Not having become a lawyer yesterday Dowd would know that everything Flynn had discussed with the government was confidential, insofar as Flynn and his cooperation deal were concerned.

The only way this narrative works is if their argument is that Trump hired utterly incompetent lawyers that didn't know Flynn couldn't reveal that information.
No no, you are mistaken. This "process crime" by Mueller invalidates the entire investigation. Or something.
 

UNCjigga

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That changes absolutely nothing. Trump's lawyer knew that he was a cooperating witness for the government and was asking him to provide information about what he had told them. Not having become a lawyer yesterday Dowd would know that everything Flynn had discussed with the government was confidential, insofar as Flynn and his cooperation deal were concerned.

The only way this narrative works is if their argument is that Trump hired utterly incompetent lawyers that didn't know Flynn couldn't reveal that information.

As with many scandals involving this administration, stupidity and disobedience are their best defense against criminal liability.
 

JEDIYoda

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Roughly half of America loves that he does the shit he does. Even people that don't like Republicans love it when Democrats get fucked. To America, Democrats are nothing but baby-eating soda-grabbing snowflakes. And black people. And other minorities we hate. And uppity. Maybe if Democrats stopped hating America things would change.
No no, you are mistaken. This "process crime" by Mueller invalidates the entire investigation. Or something.
your looney tunes dude!!
 

soundforbjt

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I love how Kushner says you (Trump) don't become racist after 69 years, he was 27 when he & his father were sued for renting discrimination, 47 when the Central Park Five occurred, sounds like he's been a racist for a long time.
 

Jhhnn

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Indeed and you agree. Naturally someone could do an unmentionable act in self defense, but short of that there's no "no" in our law although you said otherwise. If I'm wrong then the President is subject to arrest and criminal consequences arise due to his acts. Trump can shoot people with impunity or he cannot, and impeachment does nothing for that.

You can't have it both ways.

I referenced the atitude of Trump's base. It's apparently a quasi-religious experience.