Mueller talking to congress

[MomentsofSanity]

Well, these people are absolute pieces of shit...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/04/us/honduran-migrant-shamed-border-patrol/index.html

US Customs and Border Patrol agents at a migrant processing center in Texas allegedly attempted to humiliate a Honduran migrant by making him hold a sign that read, "I like men," according to emails written by an agent who witnessed the incident.

The emails -- obtained by CNN -- were sent to the agent's supervisor and outlined the March 5 episode in which a Honduran man was forced to hold a piece of paper that said, "Me gustan los hombre(s)," which translates to "I like men," while being paraded through a migrant detention center.

 

[Zorba]

Now do we really want these fuckers to start offering showers? I am not sure they wouldn't try installing Zyklon B showers as opposed to water showers.

I really don't understand how some people can dehumanize kids to this extent.

 

[HomerJS]

Second CBP-linked Facebook group shows derisive images of migrants: report

https://thehill.com/latino/451742-s...roup-shows-derisive-images-of-migrants-report

 

[nickqt]

Shocking that right-wing authoritarians flock to authoritarian sectors of the government where they get to wield weapons and little emblems that give them the color of law to hurt people they don't identify with.

Oh, by shocking, I meant obvious.

 

[JSt0rm]

Once trump is gone these people are not gonna be protected from the shit they did.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Once trump is gone these people are not gonna be protected from the shit they did.

Of course they will be. They have been by every other administration, they will be by the next too. These people are not new agents hired under Trump. The Agency knew these things were going on. This might have gotten worse under the current administration because they feel emboldened to act with impunity, but the rot is not new.
I'm not making a #bothsides argument. This is just the realism of a bureaucracy. The CBP bureaucracy is rotten to it's very core, and it will continue to protect it's own. It is going to be a hard job to root out the bad actors, since so very many of them are bad that you would end up having to rely on the very people that are the problem to fix it.

 

[K1052]

Of course they will be. They have been by every other administration, they will be by the next too. These people are not new agents hired under Trump. The Agency knew these things were going on. This might have gotten worse under the current administration because they feel emboldened to act with impunity, but the rot is not new.
I'm not making a #bothsides argument. This is just the realism of a bureaucracy. The CBP bureaucracy is rotten to it's very core, and it will continue to protect it's own. It is going to be a hard job to root out the bad actors, since so very many of them are bad that you would end up having to rely on the very people that are the problem to fix it.

This basically. I have little faith that anybody will be brought to account for what is happening. Cops are broadly beyond the reach of justice in this country and that certainly applies to CBP which is an even more opaque organization than most municipal police departments.

What can be done however is to drastically reduce their power and latitude going forward. That American citizens can be detained and searched when re-entering the country on any pretext CBP feels like is absurd. Interior enforcement that puts much of the country's population within their authority is absurd. That there is not black letter law describing how long they can detain people and in what conditions is absurd. The list goes on and we can actually change all this.

 

[SMOGZINN]

What can be done however is to drastically reduce their power and latitude going forward. That American citizens can be detained and searched when re-entering the country on any pretext CBP feels like is absurd. Interior enforcement that puts much of the country's population within their authority is absurd. That there is not black letter law describing how long they can detain people and in what conditions is absurd. The list goes on and we can actually change all this.

This is the truth, the main problem is that we have put to much power in their hands with too little oversight. We need to drastically pull back the power of CBP, by forcing them to fully implement the full due process system instead of being able to simply ignore most of the 4th amendment, Miranda, and other rules intended to ensure a fair and speedy trial. We then need to make sure that there is effective oversight to ensure that they are actually following those laws.

We gave them unprecedented power over what amounts to the most venerable population in America, and we have failed to carefully monitor that they do not abuse that power. Now we see the results of that poor decision.

 

[JSt0rm]

the difference being they havent had this kind of exposure to the public before. Everybody was onboard with border security and buying American and then trump made them political issues.

 

[K1052]

Migrant kids in overcrowded Arizona border station allege sex assault, retaliation from U.S. agents

The poor treatment of migrant children at the hands of U.S. border agents in recent months extends beyond Texas to include allegations of sexual assault and retaliation for protests, according to dozens of accounts by children held in Arizona collected by government case managers and obtained by NBC News.

A 16-year-old Guatemalan boy held in Yuma, Arizona, said he and others in his cell complained about the taste of the water and food they were given. The Customs and Border Protection agents took the mats out of their cell in retaliation, forcing them to sleep on hard concrete.


A 15-year-old girl from Honduras described a large, bearded officer putting his hands inside her bra, pulling down her underwear and groping her as part of what was meant to be a routine pat down in front of other immigrants and officers.

The girl said "she felt embarrassed as the officer was speaking in English to other officers and laughing" during the entire process, according to a report of her account.

A 17-year-old boy from Honduras said officers would scold detained children when they would get close to a window, and would sometimes call them "puto," an offensive term in Spanish, while they were giving orders.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...ault-retaliation-n1027886?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma


When Trump says CBP is full of great people doing an amazing job this is what he means.

 

[DarthKyrie]

Migrant kids in overcrowded Arizona border station allege sex assault, retaliation from U.S. agents



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...ault-retaliation-n1027886?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma


When Trump says CBP is full of great people doing an amazing job this is what he means.

In GOP circles these aren't people they are cockroaches that should be exterminated.

 

[K1052]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1149665583949991937

Of course.

Don't believe cops.

 

[trenchfoot]

In GOP circles these aren't people they are cockroaches that should be exterminated.

Every fascist led gov't had as one of it's first priorities the dehumanization of its enemies in order to seize power or keep it. Trump isn't any different. In fact he is a shining example of this technique. Give Trump the absolute power he craves and he'll not be any different than Hitler, Mussolini, Putin and Kim.

So much easier to stomp on a cockroach than a fellow human being. So much easier for the instigator of such policies to gather in support and become the leader of such mobs.

 

[K1052]

Really just a tremendous group of people at CBP.

https://www.propublica.org/article/...memorative-coin-mocking-care-for-migrant-kids

Border Patrol Agents Are Passing Around A Commemorative Coin Mocking Care for Migrant Kids

An unofficial commemorative coin has been circulating among Border Patrol agents at the U.S./Mexico border, mocking the task of caring for migrant children and other duties that have fallen to agents as families cross into the U.S.

On the front, the coin declares “KEEP THE CARAVANS COMING” under an image of a massive parade of people carrying a Honduran flag — a caricature of the “caravan” from last fall, which started in Honduras and attracted thousands of people as it moved north. (While the caravan included many women and children, the only visible figures on the coin appear to be adult men.)

The coin’s reverse side features the Border Patrol logo and three illustrations: a Border Patrol agent bottle-feeding an infant; an agent fingerprinting a teen boy wearing a backwards baseball cap; and a U.S. Border Patrol van. The text along the edge reads “FEEDING ** PROCESSING ** HOSPITAL ** TRANSPORT.”

The coin appears to poke fun at the fact that many border agents are no longer out patrolling and instead are now caring for and processing migrants — including families and children.

It’s not clear who created the coin or how widely it’s been circulated among border agents. But Border Patrol agents in California and Texas — on opposite ends of the U.S./Mexico border — had seen the coin circulated at their workplaces. One of the agents received a coin in April when a colleague brought several to pass around at the office; the other was shown an online order form for the coins by a colleague at work.

Both said the coins were promoted via the secret Facebook group for current and former Border Patrol officials that, as ProPublica recently detailed, included racist and violent posts.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Meh, Jesus didn't weep.

@HurleyBird - haha, you disagree? Jesus wept over his passing? Lol....

 

[IronWing]

fuck off, dickhole.



...and wtf with the thread merge going on here? lol.

That was my question too. I'm so confused. Perk, what did you do?