MPAA can kiss my internet service provider

[ImpulsE69]

Yo

OP

What ISP do you have?

NetINS in the midwest. Not sure if they are actually owned by one of the larger phone companies.

 

[Train]

Who's math? Because yours is flawed.

Anyones math?

http://xkcd.com/936/

or for a more technical layout:

length: 4, complexity: a-z ==> less than 1 second

length: 4, complexity: a-zA-Z0-9 + symbols ==> 4.8 seconds

length: 5, complexity: a-zA-Z ==> 25 seconds

length: 6, complexity: a-zA-Z0-9 ==> 1 hour

length: 6, complexity: a-zA-Z0-9 + symbols ==> 11 hours

length: 7, complexity: a-zA-Z0-9 + symbols ==> 6 weeks

length: 8, complexity: a-zA-Z0-9 ==> 5 months

length: 8, complexity: a-zA-Z0-9 + symbols ==> 10 years

length: 9, complexity: a-zA-Z0-9 + symbols ==> 1000 years

length: 10, complexity: a-zA-Z0-9 ==> 1700 years

length: 10, complexity: a-zA-Z0-9 + symbols ==> 91800 years

 

[MadScientist]

You are correct in that my router wasn't overly secure simply because I hadn't fully made all the normal adjustments I had made on it after a firmware upgrade, but either way, its not relevant to the discussion.

This is totally relevant to the discussion. You left your wifi network unsecured. Your neighbor saw it. Jumped on it and downloaded a copyrighted movie file. No hacking skills needed. End of story. What else is there to get.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Anyones math?

http://xkcd.com/936/

I've seen that, and look at what it says....1000 guesses/second...

Now read this:

Individual desktop computers can test over a hundred million passwords per second using password cracking tools that run on a general purpose CPU and billions of passwords per second using GPU-based password cracking tools.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_cracking

So, let's keep arguing the pointless things of this thread. It's progress.

 

[AMDZen]

NetINS in the midwest. Not sure if they are actually owned by one of the larger phone companies.

Yea, never heard of them. Why dont you switch then or is that not an option

 

[ImpulsE69]

This is totally relevant to the discussion. You left your wifi network unsecured. Your neighbor saw it. Jumped on it and downloaded a copyrighted movie file. No hacking skills needed. End of story. What else is there to get.

Wrong. It WASN'T insecure. That is the point. Wow..wtf part is so hard to understand. It wasn't wide open, it just wasn't LOCKED DOWN OMG NO HAXZORS CAN GET MEEEE! ;p meaning I had WPA on, and no mac filtering..which as has been discussed...is meh at best. Some people need to quit worrying about what "I" did and realize there's more to this than my personal experience.

Done arguing about it, just ignoring any further comments about my security because again it is completely irrelevant. Aunt Jane probably isn't going to know to make a 30 character password and how to lock out MACS etc.

 

[Train]

I've seen that, and look at what it says....1000 guesses/second...

Now read this:

Individual desktop computers can test over a hundred million passwords per second using password cracking tools that run on a general purpose CPU and billions of passwords per second using GPU-based password cracking tools.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_cracking

So, let's keep arguing the pointless things of this thread. It's progress.

sigh. You still fail at math.

FYI, the graph I posted was at a speed of 15 million/sec. 91k years, even if you can go ONE HUNDERD TIMES faster than that, its still 910 years.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Yea, never heard of them. Why dont you switch then or is that not an option

Not an option, my local ISP is actually privately owned and comes off their backbone. The accuser contacted NetINS who in turn contacted my local ISP.

Either way, my understanding is that most of the major ISP's are handling all this the same way.

 

[ImpulsE69]

sigh. You still fail at math.

FYI, the graph I posted was at a speed of 15 million/sec. 91k years, even if you can go ONE HUNDERD TIMES faster than that, its still 910 years.

And where does it say that? I don't see it say anything about 15 million/sec.

 

[AMDZen]

Not an option, my local ISP is actually privately owned and comes off their backbone. The accuser contacted NetINS who in turn contacted my local ISP.

Either way, my understanding is that most of the major ISP's are handling all this the same way.

Not true at all, only the telecoms are. Time Warner, Cox and Comcast all send out warnings but won't shut off your service until after you've received at least 3-5 warnings, depending on the service.. Cable companies >>>> telecoms in regards to this sort of thing

I have had 2-3 warnings over the 5+ years I've had comcast and they've never done a single thing other then send me an email on it.

And WTF do you live that you don't have at least a choice between the local telecom and local cable company. Cable is so much >>>>>>> then any telecom unless its Verizon and FIOS. That's true all over the entire country

 

[ImpulsE69]

Not true at all, only the telecoms are. Time Warner, Cox and Comcast all send out warnings but won't shut off your service after at least 3-5 warnings. Cable companies >>>> telecoms in regards to this sort of thing

It wasn't really a shut off so much as a redirect to a web page that told me to contact them and it wouldn't go anywhere else until this was taken care of. This is exactly what I read was going to happen months ago when people starting talking about it. I honestly don't know how each part is going to be handled, I know I've read a few were just going to throttle bandwidth ect.

I live in the boonies. This has never actually been an issue before as I'm mostly surrounded by old people. It was quite a shock to look and see someone on my LAN. I do have FIOS though so it's not all bad.

 

[lxskllr]

Wrong. It WASN'T insecure. That is the point. Wow..wtf part is so hard to understand. It wasn't wide open, it just wasn't LOCKED DOWN OMG NO HAXZORS CAN GET MEEEE! ;p meaning I had WPA on, and no mac filtering..which as has been discussed...is meh at best. Some people need to quit worrying about what "I" did and realize there's more to this than my personal experience.

Done arguing about it, just ignoring any further comments about my security because again it is completely irrelevant. Aunt Jane probably isn't going to know to make a 30 character password and how to lock out MACS etc.

The point is you were tried and convicted on the slightest sliver of evidence, which is bullshit. You got them off your ass easily enough this time, but what about the next? How about an ISP that's much less reasonable? Those jokers already make frivolous DMCA claims, with no threat of punishment. The whole system is rigged in their favor, and is only getting worse. The details on cracking encryption here is just a sideshow...

 

[AMDZen]

It wasn't really a shut off so much as a redirect to a web page that told me to contact them. This is exactly what I read was going to happen months ago when people starting talking about it. I honestly don't know how each part is going to be handled, I know I've read a few were just going to throttle bandwidth ect.

Yea, after 5 warnings. 5 has been the number.

So this was warning #1 or #5?

 

[Train]

And where does it say that? I don't see it say anything about 15 million/sec.

http://www.toplinestrategies.com/cl...is-needed-to-crack-a-password-by-brute-force/

Not that you need a link to verify it, it's just simple MATH.

And there's a big difference between cracking a known hash (in which you can actually reach high speeds) versus attacking a wifi router, in which 1000/sec may actually be the most you can try.

 

[AMDZen]

The point is you were tried and convicted on the slightest sliver of evidence, which is bullshit. You got them off your ass easily enough this time, but what about the next? How about an ISP that's much less reasonable? Those jokers already make frivolous DMCA claims, with no threat of punishment. The whole system is rigged in their favor, and is only getting worse. The details on cracking encryption here is just a sideshow...

From experience with nearly every ISP in the country in this matter, (major ISP's) either first hand or second hand from knowledgeable friends and family - I can assure you that there is no ISP more unreasonable than this one. I have never heard of any ISP just shutting off your service after one instance of this happening, nor is the new plan outlined that way even in the slightest

 

[AMDZen]

Sorry it wasn't five, its "six strikes"

http://torrentfreak.com/six-strikes-anti-piracy-scheme-starts-130225/

In some instances 5, in others 6

Never 1

 

[ImpulsE69]

@ Train, that's not how that comic comes off, so the link is good.

@AMDZen, #1, maybe things have changed because I read pretty much this scenario in the past. My info is probably outdated.

 

[AMDZen]

So my point is you need to switch to your local cable company, I still fail to see how that isn't an option. Do you live on a farm?

Make that ISP pay, stop giving them your hard earned money. Fuck them. Even if you did download the movie, its none of their business and none of their concern

 

[ImpulsE69]

So my point is you need to switch to your local cable company, I still fail to see how that isn't an option. Do you live on a farm?

Make that ISP pay, stop giving them your hard earned money. Fuck them. Even if you did download the movie, its none of their business and none of their concern

Same company - phone, cable, internet. There is no alternative, other than sat. They run about 7-8 towns around me. They aren't a bad company by any means so don't get me wrong. But yes, this whole thing is indeed an issue. I did ask them what would happen if they did this to all their customers, and they said, we don't get more than 10-15 of these reports a month. Their total install base is probably 8000 people (if that). I don't see how this won't be an issue for them.

 

[AMDZen]

The thing is, all the talk thus far has been on how your WiFi wasn't secure and all that. All that aside, its easy to spoof an IP to a torrent client so it could just as easily be someone that just happened to spoof their IP as your's. Very small chance in that happening of course. But thats how these idiots are "tracking you". They are getting on open and public bittorrent trackers and sharing the same file and then just logging every IP that connects to that tracker. So they are breaking the law by sharing the same file that you are. That's the basic definition of entrapment.

 

[ImpulsE69]

The thing is, all the talk thus far has been on how your WiFi wasn't secure and all that. All that aside, its easy to spoof an IP to a torrent client so it could just as easily be someone that just happened to spoof their IP as your's. Very small chance in that happening of course. But thats how these idiots are "tracking you". They are getting on open and public bittorrent trackers and sharing the same file and then just logging every IP that connects to that tracker. So they are breaking the law by sharing the same file that you are. That's the basic definition of entrapment.

Exactly. The idea is they are saying you are guilty because we tracked this IP to you at this time, when the reality is, other people could actually be using it (in this case were). Too many people on the forums here are wrapped up in the "did you do it or not" and "you could have prevented it" aspect which wasn't what this thread was about. If I had done it, I wouldn't have been quite so vocal about it simply because I'm not that way (regardless of what you might think of my internet personality).

On the good side, it let me know someone was hacked into my wireless ;P because I honestly wouldn't have expected it around here. My guess is someone's lacking internet right now.

 

[felang]

Stuff like this is why I like living in a rural area; the tech people at the ISP are barely capable of hooking up lines, and couldn't care less about people watching movies online for free.

Also, since I'm the only DSL customer in my area, there's an entire line, meant for dozens of customers, that only is populated by my traffic. Meaning many, many times more speed available than I pay for

If you´re getting more bandwidth than what you pay for then "the tech people" at your ISP are really are quite clueless.

 

[88keys]

I've received two warnings for downloading pirated material from Adelphia (now owned by Comcast) via email a while back. One was for something that I did download, and the other was for something I didn't download. Don't remember exactly what it was that they claimed I downloaded but I know it was German looking name for the said material. Both of them seemed automated and not written by an actual person so I asked about it online and the general consensus is that they were nothing to worry about (back then). The was back in 2004(ish) IIRC and I don't think WPA2 had been cracked yet. That and I use wireless channel 14 so I think it's highly unlikely that my network had been hacked into.

This is just basically to point out that it is entirely possible (based on my experience) to have been flagged for downloading something that you didn't download. I've always wondered if pirates have tools to spoof their IP as belonging to someone else when they host/download their media. Never really looked into this though because it wasn't a big deal and Adelphia no longer exists.

 

[Ichinisan]

Who's math? Because yours is flawed. Look at the first page, I said WPA had been on. Plus they don't try to crack a large pw, they take it in chunks and crack those parts then put it together (dirty version).

I think you're talking about the WPS PIN, which is not the same thing.

 

[Train]

Who's math? Because yours is flawed. Look at the first page, I said WPA had been on. Plus they don't try to crack a large pw, they take it in chunks and crack those parts then put it together (dirty version).

Wow, I didn't see your edit until someone quoted it. But let me just say, the bolded part could not any be further from the truth. If you understood anything about hasing at all you would know that what you stated is impossible.