MPAA can kiss my internet service provider

[MadScientist]

You're guilty until proven innocent. They tracked the downloaded file back to your IP address. It doesn't matter if you had an open router or a somewhat secure router that was hacked. ISPs are not buying the "I didn't download the file" excuse. They want you to totally secure your network and if you don't then you are responsible for the copyright infringement.

Yeah, it's sucks but I doubt there's much you will be able to do about it.

As for using a good free VPN. There are none. They are slow, limit the amount you can download, and most use adware.

I use this VPN. It's cheap, $39.95/year, fast, reliable, and they don't keep logs. https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/

Read this: http://lifehacker.com/5940565/why-you-should-start-using-a-vpn-and-how-to-choose-the-best-one-for-your-needs

 

[DrPizza]

This is really the equivalent of the a law stating that you must lock your doors. Stupid.

"Oh boo hoo, it's not fair. I want to use this excuse for pirating, and they won't let me. "

It's not like leaving the front door unlocked - it's like leaving your valuables unmonitored off your property.

</doesn't believe the OP>

 

[DrPizza]

OP's attitude:

They've manipulated the laws to benefit their pocketbooks. I have no respect for any of the segmented industries. I paid for it, I will use it as I see fit. If I own a console and want to make it play something it's not meant to, so be it, I will. At this point (and for years) I really don't care if it's legal or not. They've proven time and again they are the real crooks. If they are so broke, they shouldn't be spending all that money lobbying the politicians. Reverse engineering is illegal? Good luck with that.

I find it laughable that they put an online DRM on it. Screw them. They went to 0 effort aside from "oh shit we don't want anyone to pirate it!" as if that isn't going to happen. Game companies have become trash...and yet..people still pay.. The emulators run fine.

In a thread about Pirate Bay:

Get off your high horses. Illegal or legal use makes no difference. It's the sharing of information. So "that" particular site has mostly illegal content. It doesn't make it ALL illegal which is really what the fight is about. Quit clouding it with your narrow view.

I can't wait for Hollywood to make a movie of this guy so I can pirate it.

Dammit where will I get my pirated schizer porn now? Sad Squishy.

Shh..don't talk sense, you pirate.
Hey did you guys know that you can get porn on the internet??? AND IT'S FREE!!! *cough*

Have these companies not learned a thing?

1. If you tout a DRM to keep out pirates, you encourage them that much more to hack it.

2. By making paying consumers jump through hoops you just piss them off eventually to where they'd rather pirate (when its easier).

I tire of the pirate vs consumer argument. If they spent nearly as much time on production value as trying to prevent the make believe % of pirates from stealing their content, people might be more willing to pay. Companies are free to do whatever they want as a DRM, it's their money, but they SHOULD NOT be dragging the government into it. If I don't like their DRM, I will not buy their product.

People are becoming complacent and allowing changes in our rights. Hollywood/Software makers deserve NO MORE RIGHTS over something I've purchased than any other company. Unfortunately this is becoming more and more of an issue. They are the ones standing in the way of the future. They lost their iron grip on their products years ago and are struggling to get it back. They WANT you to buy multiple versions of their products over and over in multiple formats.

Almost every form can be gone around in some manner. And it's been shown many times that legit customers are the ones who end up getting screwed, not the pirates. This is the endless cycle they can't seem to get their heads around. People who are going to buy their product WILL buy their product. People who aren't, AREN'T!

We've seen the numbers countless times. Quality products break sales records. Just because your shitty movie didn't sell and you see 1000 ppl downloading it on a torrent doesn't mean you missed a sale. It means thats ~900 other people probably getting ready to say "god, I'm glad I didn't buy that".

I really detest DLC due to it is the beginning of all this and disguised as "convenience". Most of the time the price is the same (unless there are sales). Screw em, I'll just pirate everything.

To be fair, most of the time, he claimed he wasn't claiming that he pirated. But, with the attitude he's displayed toward those companies time after time... I don't believe the OP's story.

 

[Ichinisan]

MAC filtering is stupid. Who wants to go into the router setup every time you need to let a friend on your home network or add a new device?!

 

[Red Squirrel]

OP's attitude:

Any person who knows what's going on has that attitude and it's not the wrong one to have. These companies are nothing but corrupt and using their power against everyone. They have an agenda and will do anything it takes to squeeze every single penny they can get out of anyone they can claim as a victim. They are a predator and everyone else is a prey, even the artists, who get sucked into these contracts and get practically nothing, and don't even own their own work.

Any other company who sees something that reduces their income will change their methods so they can keep up. But them, they just make laws try to make everybody else change their ways and blames everybody but themselves.

 

[dr150]

Not buying it.

LOL. I understand, but you need to realize, they specfically called out a file..a movie to be precise, that I DID NOT download. We'll just keep it at that.

If I had...I wouldn't be bitching, I'd quietly be working around it.

Check your hard drive again.....

It's there!

 

[ImpulsE69]

"Oh boo hoo, it's not fair. I want to use this excuse for pirating, and they won't let me. "

It's not like leaving the front door unlocked - it's like leaving your valuables unmonitored off your property.

</doesn't believe the OP>

Oh trust, me I've been very vocal about my opinion on the whole deal, but I have no reason to outright lie about it because they didn't threaten or anything. The item they accused me of downloading I didn't download. Plain and simple. What point would I have to bitch about it here if I HAD downloaded it? They shut me off with no proof other than an IP. When I asked what proof they had, all they could say was "they gave us this IP". Had I actually downloaded it, I could have still pitched a fit with them, however, I really don't see what the point would be of coming here and posting a thread about it.

Have I downloaded? Sure, and anyone who says they haven't are the ones outright lying. I explicitly said the file they said was reported was not on my systems or downloaded by me.

This whole thread is about how rediculously failed the whole system is and how it screws over the consumer.

What's funny is you actually think I'd come here and post a thread denying downloading something that I really did. :thumbsdown:

As you quoted..get off your high horse.

 

[TechBoyJK]

LOL. I understand, but you need to realize, they specfically called out a file..a movie to be precise, that I DID NOT download. We'll just keep it at that.

If I had...I wouldn't be bitching, I'd quietly be working around it.

I work at a datacenter and our network is pretty tight. If we trace something back to a particular machine, we're pretty damn certain that was the originating offender.

 

[AdamK47]

Stop pirating.

 

[MadScientist]

Who are you blaming for shutting off your internet service???
Your ISP? First time I've heard of anyone getting their service shut off for a one time illegal download.
The MPAA?
The company the MPAA hired to track illegal downloads?
You, for not knowing how to totally secure your wireless router? Was it secured or open?
The person who used your wireless connection?

All of the above????

 

[Jeff7]

...define 'frivolous?' I'm assuming you would also call a mass tort or class action frivolous?

I believe that was sarcasm.

More than likely, I would guess that the 'loopholes' closed would relate to the ISP being subject to the infantile demands of the RIAA/MPAA. If you see thousands of plaintiffs against one defendant company, you think that would indicate that the plaintiffs need to change their behavior? LOL.

Pretty much.
There's too much money at stake to allow the serfs to have their way.

It's not our fault that the legal system sucks. Use what ways you can to achieve something vaguely resembling 'justice.' Or at least prevent yourself from being assraped.

...or you can just let large companies do whatever they want, including essentially writing their own laws.

I understand the thinking here, but what does this make possible other than simple 'bandwidth theft?' I am no l33t h4x0r, so I really don't know the extent of what it is possible for someone to gain access to simply by being on your network.

If nothing else, couldn't they spoof your network and intercept your shit? That seems like it would be bad.

Somehow, we've determined that corporations are people, and money equals speech. So, some of them just have a hell of a lot more speech than most other people.


So go ahead, write your Congressman and tell them you're pissed off. Just be sure to include a check so that you're not wasting his time.

 

[SKORPI0]

Would it be a problem if someone used Usen*t/Newsgroup services instead of P2P/Torrent, getting their IP address tracked for downloading/uploading movies/etc.? :\

 

[lxskllr]

Would it be a problem if someone used Usen*t/Newsgroup services instead of P2P/Torrent, getting their IP address tracked for downloading/uploading movies/etc.? :\

VPNs are a good idea generally. You get a secure connection, and privacy enhancements, as well as being able to access region restricted sites.

 

[DrPizza]

Oh trust, me I've been very vocal about my opinion on the whole deal, but I have no reason to outright lie about it because they didn't threaten or anything. The item they accused me of downloading I didn't download. Plain and simple. What point would I have to bitch about it here if I HAD downloaded it? They shut me off with no proof other than an IP. When I asked what proof they had, all they could say was "they gave us this IP". Had I actually downloaded it, I could have still pitched a fit with them, however, I really don't see what the point would be of coming here and posting a thread about it.

Have I downloaded? Sure, and anyone who says they haven't are the ones outright lying. I explicitly said the file they said was reported was not on my systems or downloaded by me.

This whole thread is about how rediculously failed the whole system is and how it screws over the consumer.

What's funny is you actually think I'd come here and post a thread denying downloading something that I really did. :thumbsdown:

As you quoted..get off your high horse.

I've been using this computer since roughly the first month that Vista was out. Feel free to search all the history, etc. No pirated materials. None. Nada. Zilch. Check my laptop. Check my iPad. Ditto; nothing.

You've demonstrated that you're sympathetic with pirates (if not a frequent pirate yourself.) And, you left your router available for them to use. It's your own fault, not the ISP's fault, and not the MPAA's fault.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I work at a datacenter and our network is pretty tight. If we trace something back to a particular machine, we're pretty damn certain that was the originating offender.

Yea, I work in an datacenter too, and no, unless your company is using WiFi all over, it's not the same thing at all.



@ Madscientist - I'm not blaming anyone. It's called I was accused of breaking the law when I didn't. It's no different than if someone killed someone with your gun and they blame you, because it's your gun. Not sure what part of this some people don't get. The shut off was only temporary, the whole point is, no I didn't do it, yes they shut it off because someone said I did with no proof other than an IP.


I have to laugh at some of these comments that completely miss the point. Say goodbye to your rights. And no, this isn't the first I've heard of this happening. Just the first time it's happened to me personally ;p

 

[ImpulsE69]

I've been using this computer since roughly the first month that Vista was out. Feel free to search all the history, etc. No pirated materials. None. Nada. Zilch. Check my laptop. Check my iPad. Ditto; nothing.

You've demonstrated that you're sympathetic with pirates (if not a frequent pirate yourself.) And, you left your router available for them to use. It's your own fault, not the ISP's fault, and not the MPAA's fault.

Prove it. No really prove it. You can't. It's your word against everyone elses. Just like they can't actually prove one way or the other if I actually downloaded anything. You are making a judgement call based on forum posts. It's like saying "you talk about stealing all the time, and you have a history of stealing so we'll just arrest you because something just came up missing." Saying my router downloaded something based on only my router(IP) is circumstantial evidence and you cannot convict on circumstantial evidence.

As for the router being open, it wasn't...(apparently you didn't read the post talking about that).

You are ignoring the premise that someone was accused of a crime they didn't commit making comments like "oh well you must have because of X" as if that makes you right. That's not how it works (at least, not how it's SUPPOSED to work).

The New Law: I think you Did. So you did.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Stop pirating.

loool that's like asking someone to stop going over the speed limit. Piracy is a "crime" that is not really a huge deal. It's the government and copyright extremists that make it seem like it is.

Stopping would be throwing in the towel. We will continue to fight. A war does not end by simply quitting it. This is not about entitlement. It's about freedom.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Stopping also assumes you were doing it in the first place.....so take those comments somewhere else.

Here's another analogy, I might start a thread just for that ;p

Someone stole your car and hit a pedestrian with it, and they arrest you since it's your car because you should have used the club instead of just locking it.

 

[bradley]

I don't illegally download and am not a fan of porn, and even I use a VPN at times. It's none of anyone's damn business concerning my Internet activity, which includes almost every facet of my life.

 

[DrPizza]

I don't think it's even a matter of YOU having been the person who illegally downloaded copyrighted material. It's that your ISP sells you a service, and that service was used to illegally download copyrighted material.

If I owned a rifle and any shots were traceable back to that rifle, if it's used in a crime, I can't just plead, "oh, those pesky neighborhood kids, always breaking in and using my stuff."

 

[WelshBloke]

Stopping also assumes you were doing it in the first place.....so take those comments somewhere else.

Here's another analogy, I might start a thread just for that ;p

Someone stole your car and hit a pedestrian with it, and they arrest you since it's your car because you should have used the club instead of just locking it.

Ohhh analogy time.

How about if you let a bunch of teenagers into your house and they started smoking dope and getting drunk and you got busted for it?

 

[bradley]

Rifle

Bullet

2013's biggest blockbuster movie

2013's biggest blockbuster music CD/DVD/Bluray

unauthorized fascimile of Andy Warhol pop art painting of rifle and bullet

 

[phucheneh]

I don't think it's even a matter of YOU having been the person who illegally downloaded copyrighted material. It's that your ISP sells you a service, and that service was used to illegally download copyrighted material.

If I owned a rifle and any shots were traceable back to that rifle, if it's used in a crime, I can't just plead, "oh, those pesky neighborhood kids, always breaking in and using my stuff."

Erm, yeah you can. At least in my state.

Or at least something close to it. Obviously with theft, it should be reported. There's also 'we see you are the original owner of this gun; it was used in a crime.'

'I sold it.'

'Okay, have a nice day.'

Unless you're talking about still having the firearm in your home. In which case, they WOULD still need to prove that you shot someone, rather than just arresting everyone in your house.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I don't think it's even a matter of YOU having been the person who illegally downloaded copyrighted material. It's that your ISP sells you a service, and that service was used to illegally download copyrighted material.

If I owned a rifle and any shots were traceable back to that rifle, if it's used in a crime, I can't just plead, "oh, those pesky neighborhood kids, always breaking in and using my stuff."

Uh..yes you can.....if you knew it was missing and didn't report it, that's another story.

 

[momeNt]

Rifle

Bullet

2013's biggest blockbuster movie

2013's biggest blockbuster music CD/DVD/Bluray

unauthorized fascimile of Andy Warhol pop art painting of rifle and bullet

Mind blown.