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ViRGE
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All this blathering aside, an IP address can't be forged in this circumstance, so unquestionably someone, somewhere was utilizing your connection to download that file. As a result you have two options.
1) Tell your ISP you deleted the file and made everything right
2) Tell your ISP you have tightened the security on your network.
Since you claim you didn't download the file, then #2 should suffice. They just want the situation resolved; they don't really care how as long as it doesn't keep happening.
As for how to secure your network, set your wireless network to use WPA2-AES (and only WPA2-AES) encryption, and use at least a 12 character password composed of a strong combination of characters (the more random, the better). All the encryption in the world will not help you if your password is weak. It also wouldn't hurt to sweep your computers to make sure none of them have been compromised and setup as proxies.
1) Tell your ISP you deleted the file and made everything right
2) Tell your ISP you have tightened the security on your network.
Since you claim you didn't download the file, then #2 should suffice. They just want the situation resolved; they don't really care how as long as it doesn't keep happening.
As for how to secure your network, set your wireless network to use WPA2-AES (and only WPA2-AES) encryption, and use at least a 12 character password composed of a strong combination of characters (the more random, the better). All the encryption in the world will not help you if your password is weak. It also wouldn't hurt to sweep your computers to make sure none of them have been compromised and setup as proxies.
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I really think you 2 are missing the point or purposely posturing. No amount of wireless security is going to prevent something like this. As admins of a more or less a tech site forum, I would assume you have at least some knowledge about how it works. I'm not an expert by any means on networking, but I know enough.
Telling my ISP I deleted the file is basically admitting guilt. Why would I do that knowing that A. I didn't download the file and B. At some point they could potentially use that against me if it ever happens repeatedly. It really is no different than what the companies were doing before except now they've shifted the responibility to the ISP.
It has nothing to do with how secure my network is, I know how to do that and yet it happened. Do you really expect every person to be able to know how to lock down a network? Do you honestly believe that it is the consumers responsibility? Maybe we should blame the companies that make wireless adapters? I mean, it's their tech? It should be secure right? Companies can't even keep their networks secure and those are blamed on the hackers. See the double standard here?
It has nothing to do with if I may or may have not downloaded material in the past. You are letting the thought process of "he must have downloaded it" cloud the subject. The overall point to this portion is, they have no proof. At all. They have an IP. Whether I did it or not has no bearing on it. I simply stated for the record I did not download it. While you have no reason to believe me, I find it counterproductive to even argue that point. You are saying "you are guilty because I think you are guilty." That's a pretty scary standard if you think about it. Apply that to everything in life and see how well that works for you. This is what is happening.
This is a regulation we're talking about that went into effect, and already the flaw has came out that will affect practically everyone. There will be a precedent. It will be interesting to see the first cases that hit the supreme court over it. The ISP's are banking that the average user will just be scared and say ok yea it's gone because they want to be able to get to facebook.
It is flawed. Deeply flawed.
This was just a "hey quit that" moment, small compared to the grand scale of whats about to happen. It's not right, and for those here who seem to have the "oh it's still your fault" attitude, you are blind. The bigger question is why there are people who think this is acceptable. My guess is the people who do are also the people who don't get the true legal difference between copyright infringement and theft.
Anyway, they gave me the contact info of the accusers. I will be contacting them and see what they say. If it's anything like what my ISP said, it will be a bunch of "well blah blah and blah blah terms of service", because everyone knows it's a pile of rubbish with very weak footing.
EDIT: I realized that maybe there's a portion I did not make clear enough. They did turn my internet on only after I told them I scanned my computers and did not find the file. I told them for the record I did not download this. I think some of the difference here is that I was thinking of this as "punishment without proof", when really it's more like "being detained for questioning on a crime that occurred." I can accept that, however, I am not sure how that plays out in the future, and that's where the real concern lies.
Telling my ISP I deleted the file is basically admitting guilt. Why would I do that knowing that A. I didn't download the file and B. At some point they could potentially use that against me if it ever happens repeatedly. It really is no different than what the companies were doing before except now they've shifted the responibility to the ISP.
It has nothing to do with how secure my network is, I know how to do that and yet it happened. Do you really expect every person to be able to know how to lock down a network? Do you honestly believe that it is the consumers responsibility? Maybe we should blame the companies that make wireless adapters? I mean, it's their tech? It should be secure right? Companies can't even keep their networks secure and those are blamed on the hackers. See the double standard here?
It has nothing to do with if I may or may have not downloaded material in the past. You are letting the thought process of "he must have downloaded it" cloud the subject. The overall point to this portion is, they have no proof. At all. They have an IP. Whether I did it or not has no bearing on it. I simply stated for the record I did not download it. While you have no reason to believe me, I find it counterproductive to even argue that point. You are saying "you are guilty because I think you are guilty." That's a pretty scary standard if you think about it. Apply that to everything in life and see how well that works for you. This is what is happening.
This is a regulation we're talking about that went into effect, and already the flaw has came out that will affect practically everyone. There will be a precedent. It will be interesting to see the first cases that hit the supreme court over it. The ISP's are banking that the average user will just be scared and say ok yea it's gone because they want to be able to get to facebook.
It is flawed. Deeply flawed.
This was just a "hey quit that" moment, small compared to the grand scale of whats about to happen. It's not right, and for those here who seem to have the "oh it's still your fault" attitude, you are blind. The bigger question is why there are people who think this is acceptable. My guess is the people who do are also the people who don't get the true legal difference between copyright infringement and theft.
Anyway, they gave me the contact info of the accusers. I will be contacting them and see what they say. If it's anything like what my ISP said, it will be a bunch of "well blah blah and blah blah terms of service", because everyone knows it's a pile of rubbish with very weak footing.
EDIT: I realized that maybe there's a portion I did not make clear enough. They did turn my internet on only after I told them I scanned my computers and did not find the file. I told them for the record I did not download this. I think some of the difference here is that I was thinking of this as "punishment without proof", when really it's more like "being detained for questioning on a crime that occurred." I can accept that, however, I am not sure how that plays out in the future, and that's where the real concern lies.
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DrPizza
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Yes, I *DO* believe you're responsible for what's downloaded off your connection.
That you're implying you live next door to a group of top notch hackers who don't want to utilize their own Internet connection... lol.
That you're implying you live next door to a group of top notch hackers who don't want to utilize their own Internet connection... lol.
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This isn't the 80's. ROTFLMAO. Might wanna update your knowledge base.
As for responsibility, that's your opinion. Be funny if something similar happens to you in the future. Always different then.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
This isn't the 80's. ROTFLMAO. Might wanna update your knowledge base.
As for responsibility, that's your opinion. Be funny if something similar happens to you in the future. Always different then.
What? Is your password "12345"?
surfsatwerk
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Crap..let me change that...
Let me leave this here. Have fun.
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&biw=1...qf.&bvm=bv.42965579,d.b2U&fp=783d027d1bd68a5f
Rubycon
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Rifle
Bullet
2013's biggest blockbuster movie
2013's biggest blockbuster music CD/DVD/Bluray
unauthorized fascimile of Andy Warhol pop art painting of rifle and bullet
The last three images are the same.
Raduque
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Top notch hackers? You've got to be kidding me Doc. The bartender at work, one of the dumbest blonde girls I've ever met, downloaded an app on her iPhone to break into wifi networks. It works.
Stone Rain
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Stuff like this is why I like living in a rural area; the tech people at the ISP are barely capable of hooking up lines, and couldn't care less about people watching movies online for free.
Also, since I'm the only DSL customer in my area, there's an entire line, meant for dozens of customers, that only is populated by my traffic. Meaning many, many times more speed available than I pay for
Also, since I'm the only DSL customer in my area, there's an entire line, meant for dozens of customers, that only is populated by my traffic. Meaning many, many times more speed available than I pay for
Ichinisan
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Unpossible! (unless it was a jailbreak app, and that would mean she's probably less "dumb" than you imply)
Seriously. This app would access APIs that Apple does not allow. It would not pass the approval process for the App Store. There aren't even any legitimate WiFi analysis tools on the App Store.
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DrPizza
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I know there are apps to do that. And, I read the first article that came up from the search that was linked to a few posts up. Those cracking programs work great when people use passwords that would succumb to a dictionary attack. The author demonstrated that he easily cracked "secretpassword" and "tobeornottobe" as passwords, but that the software fell flat attempting to crack an 8 letter password.
My "12345" above might have missed the point: it's 2013. People should know better than to use easy passwords.
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I agree with you, but read a few of the other links. Harder, longer passwords don't take that much more effort. Really I was just pointing out it doesn't take a l33t hacker to do it, and someone who say..doesn't have internet and wants to borrow their neighbors for free, has enough incentive to spend a little time on it. You are correct in that my router wasn't overly secure simply because I hadn't fully made all the normal adjustments I had made on it after a firmware upgrade, but either way, its not relevant to the discussion. The normal person who goes out and buys any old router at Best Buy so that they can get their laptop connected in the living room doesn't know how to make it secure.
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Stop right there. Yes, harder longer passwords cause a cracker to require CONSIDERABLY more effort than a standard dictionary attack. Addings characters to passwords makes the difficulty in cracking them grow EXPONENTIALLY.
Get it?
Bateluer
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Who's math? Because yours is flawed. Look at the first page, I said WPA had been on. Plus they don't try to crack a large pw, they take it in chunks and crack those parts then put it together (dirty version).
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