Mother holds off 3 home invaders with carbine

[Incorruptible]

Who is defending criminals in this thread?

I want direct quotes.

Certain posters saying it's not a bad thing the criminals weren't killed and attacking those who wanted them shot.

If the criminals live then they will do this to someone else and could kill an innocent person.

 

[davmat787]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5Hy_nMHSk

Gee, how did I know you wouldn't simply answer the question, and instead post some snarky reply?

I am not suggesting we go all Minority Report on home invaders, I simply want to know if you would still feel the same way if this trio burglarizes and kills a family in the future? That certainly isn't an outlandish suggestion based on their past behavior, now is it?

 

[davmat787]

Certain posters saying it's not a bad thing the criminals weren't killed and attacking those who wanted them shot.

If the criminals live then they will do this to someone else and could kill an innocent person.

I don't think those that think it's not a bad thing they were not killed equates to defending them.

 

[fskimospy]

Gee, how did I know you wouldn't simply answer the question, and instead post some snarky reply?

I am not suggesting we go all Minority Report on home invaders, I simply want to know if you would still feel the same way if this trio burglarizes and kills a family in the future? That certainly isn't an outlandish suggestion based on their past behavior, now is it?

It was a transparently silly, loaded question that required me to assume a bad outcome. It is also quite unlikely, statistically. (go look at the number of burglaries each year, then look at the number of burglaries that lead to deaths) To answer your silly question though, of course I would feel bad. That doesn't mean that I prefer a situation where people committing a crime are shot to death when doing so isn't necessary to protect other lives.

If someone does prefer such a situation then they should be a supporter of mandatory death penalties for all home invasions, pure and simple. When you spell it out that way though, just how crazy such a scenario is comes to light. I think most of the support for it here comes from people fantasizing about being a badass and saving the day.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

If someone does prefer such a situation then they should be a supporter of mandatory death penalties for all home invasions, pure and simple. When you spell it out that way though, just how crazy such a scenario is comes to light. I think most of the support for it here comes from people fantasizing about being a badass and saving the day.

No, the two are not comparable at all. A person whose home is being broken into does not need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the home invader had intent to cause bodily harm. However, in a hypothetical situation where the courts were 100% infallible and every armed burglar/robber threatening a home owner could be executed? Absolutely would I support the death penalty.

 

[Throckmorton]

Certain posters saying it's not a bad thing the criminals weren't killed and attacking those who wanted them shot.

If the criminals live then they will do this to someone else and could kill an innocent person.

Has it occurred to you that criminals are more valuable alive, as they can provide information about other criminals?

 

[fskimospy]

No, the two are not comparable at all. A person whose home is being broken into does not need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the home invader had intent to cause bodily harm. However, in a hypothetical situation where the courts were 100% infallible and every armed burglar/robber threatening a home owner could be executed? Absolutely would I support the death penalty.

So the only thing holding you back from the mandatory execution of every burglar in the US is the fallibility of the US court system?

To provide some context, there were more than 2 million burglaries in the US in 2010 (the most recent year I saw a concrete stat for):
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...-in-the-u.s.-2010/property-crime/burglarymain

Even assuming the average burglar commits multiple crimes each year it still sounds like we're talking about executing somewhere around half a million people in a year. That's approaching Nazi Germany style industrialized death.

How horrifying is your idea? Pretty fucking horrifying.

 

[Incorruptible]

I don't think those that think it's not a bad thing they were not killed equates to defending them.

Possible but you never know. My point is what if it happened to them? Then their stance would be much different. Also if these guys survive they could kill an innocent person the next time.

 

[michal1980]

So the only thing holding you back from the mandatory execution of every burglar in the US is the fallibility of the US court system?

To provide some context, there were more than 2 million burglaries in the US in 2010 (the most recent year I saw a concrete stat for):
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...-in-the-u.s.-2010/property-crime/burglarymain

Even assuming the average burglar commits multiple crimes each year it still sounds like we're talking about executing somewhere around half a million people in a year. That's approaching Nazi Germany style industrialized death.

How horrifying is your idea? Pretty fucking horrifying.

You might have joined moonbeam in going off your meds.

Germans killed people for their race.

Killing people because they committed crimes doesn't even approach the same ballpark.

 

[Jhhnn]

Certain posters saying it's not a bad thing the criminals weren't killed and attacking those who wanted them shot.

If the criminals live then they will do this to someone else and could kill an innocent person.

So, uhh, Death Penalty for everything, right?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So the only thing holding you back from the mandatory execution of every burglar in the US is the fallibility of the US court system?

To provide some context, there were more than 2 million burglaries in the US in 2010 (the most recent year I saw a concrete stat for):
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...-in-the-u.s.-2010/property-crime/burglarymain

Even assuming the average burglar commits multiple crimes each year it still sounds like we're talking about executing somewhere around half a million people in a year. That's approaching Nazi Germany style industrialized death.

How horrifying is your idea? Pretty fucking horrifying.

I did specify armed burglary in my hypothetical. I don't necessarily believe that a simple burglar, unarmed and rummaging around thinking no one is home deserves to die (e.g. execution), but a homeowner can't be expected to tell the difference, and thus I have no qualms with said burglar being shot. Ergo, execution and self-defense are two very different things.

I don't know how many murderers and rapists exist in the world, but I wouldn't be opposed to omniscient death camps taking them in either, no matter how many there are.

 

[Jhhnn]

Possible but you never know. My point is what if it happened to them? Then their stance would be much different. Also if these guys survive they could kill an innocent person the next time.

Why is there a next time, other than in your fear mongering imagination?

Why would anybody's stance on willful homicide change if they were so affected?

 

[fskimospy]

I did specify armed burglary in my hypothetical. I don't necessarily believe that a simple burglar, unarmed and rummaging around thinking no one is home deserves to die (e.g. execution), but a homeowner can't be expected to tell the difference, and thus I have no qualms with said burglar being shot. Ergo, execution and self-defense are two very different things.

I don't know how many murderers and rapists exist in the world, but I wouldn't be opposed to omniscient death camps taking them in either, no matter how many there are.

According to a quick check, it looks like about 40% of burglars are armed. While I don't know nearly enough about the various stats behind burglaries to make a good guess as to how many executions you're talking about but it still sounds like hundreds of thousands of deaths. That's monstrous. If you add in all the rapists too we're hitting truly insane numbers of deaths each year.

I can't believe that the only thing standing between someone and the deaths of hundreds of thousands (perhaps even millions) is a better justice system.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Think of the criminals feelings.


Why is the left always defending thugs?

no your hiding behind that.

Why does the right have such difficulty with basic spelling, punctuation, and grammar?

*criminals'
*No,
*you're

 

[HamburgerBoy]

According to a quick check, it looks like about 40% of burglars are armed. While I don't know nearly enough about the various stats behind burglaries to make a good guess as to how many executions you're talking about but it still sounds like hundreds of thousands of deaths. That's monstrous. If you add in all the rapists too we're hitting truly insane numbers of deaths each year.

I can't believe that the only thing standing between someone and the deaths of hundreds of thousands (perhaps even millions) is a better justice system.

Holding a gun to someone's face for the contents of their safe or for sexual gratification is monstrous. That level of death need only be maintained as long as people commit those acts. Considering how habitual offenders dominate crime on a whole, I feel confident in saying that the number of violent criminals will rapidly decrease as a result of my inhumane crusade. I'm not saying that we have to torture them or jerk off to their bodies, fwiw. Just a simple, efficient culling of the very small minority of people that commit life-threatening/ruining crimes.

 

[shortylickens]

was also wondering about what kind of carbine. THanks for the clarification.

 

[fskimospy]

Holding a gun to someone's face for the contents of their safe or for sexual gratification is monstrous. That level of death need only be maintained as long as people commit those acts. Considering how habitual offenders dominate crime on a whole, I feel confident in saying that the number of violent criminals will rapidly decrease as a result of my inhumane crusade. I'm not saying that we have to torture them or jerk off to their bodies, fwiw. Just a simple, efficient culling of the very small minority of people that commit life-threatening/ruining crimes.

The idea that we're just going to be able to kill all (or most) of the people that commit those crimes doesn't really hold up to scrutiny well. I'm unaware of any relationship between the execution rate of a society and its crime rate.

All of that goes without mentioning the fact that mass executions like that would likely spark massive civil unrest and revolutionary activity all over the country. It would be a catastrophe.

 

[Dude111]

Thought we could use some positivity on the shooting people front. Only downside I see is all 3 perps survived to be arrested.

Well on 1 hand these idiots will be held accountable!!!!

This lady is very lucky!!

 

[kage69]

I'd say that unfortunate predicament ended about as well as could be expected actually. No one dying is always preferable. Instead of 4 families being subject to irrevocable loss and grief, 3 dumb shits have had an eye opening brush with death that could hopefully alter some perps life trajectory for the better. It's happened plenty of times before. In prevailing this woman sent of a resounding message to the present day very wired in youngins: Don't try this shit, cuz some lady might light your ass up!


We need to get the word out. Kids have ever declining attention spans these days, an update on real world accountability is a good thing. As much as I want to stand with a few others and declare it technically not cool to let them leave alive if they are armed, I'm glad they weren't killed because they're just dumb lazy kids out hunting cash and image. There's still time for them to snap out of it and get their shit together. However, if the perps were three 40some yr ex-cons repeat offenders, with a collective history of physical assault, theft, rape and murder? Well then I bid that woman tight groups and double taps, and good day sir. Sorry, my patience only goes so far.

 

[kage69]

Watched the full video. Damn. Someone get that girl a 20gauge pump. Yuck.

 

[Jaskalas]

Eskimospy thinks there's something wrong disposing of armed home invaders...

Not sure if serious. Empathizing with those who'd kill innocent men, women, children in their own homes. That somehow makes sense to you? It is not agreeable. They may be human, but their actions cross the line. They forfeit their lives. It's not up to us to play "oh golly gee, I really wish he hadn't done that". No. It's simply our duty to put them down. It is our duty to protect the innocent.

All good men should be the executioners of evil men, not their associates, companions, or sympathizers.

*Morally speaking, legal is another matter.

 

[disappoint]

Holding a gun to someone's face for the contents of their safe or for sexual gratification is monstrous. That level of death need only be maintained as long as people commit those acts. Considering how habitual offenders dominate crime on a whole, I feel confident in saying that the number of violent criminals will rapidly decrease as a result of my inhumane crusade. I'm not saying that we have to torture them or jerk off to their bodies, fwiw. Just a simple, efficient culling of the very small minority of people that commit life-threatening/ruining crimes.

But we can right? I mean there's no law against it is there?

I'd say that unfortunate predicament ended about as well as could be expected actually. No one dying is always preferable. Instead of 4 families being subject to irrevocable loss and grief, 3 dumb shits have had an eye opening brush with death that could hopefully alter some perps life trajectory for the better. It's happened plenty of times before. In prevailing this woman sent of a resounding message to the present day very wired in youngins: Don't try this shit, cuz some lady might light your ass up!


We need to get the word out. Kids have ever declining attention spans these days, an update on real world accountability is a good thing. As much as I want to stand with a few others and declare it technically not cool to let them leave alive if they are armed, I'm glad they weren't killed because they're just dumb lazy kids out hunting cash and image. There's still time for them to snap out of it and get their shit together. However, if the perps were three 40some yr ex-cons repeat offenders, with a collective history of physical assault, theft, rape and murder? Well then I bid that woman tight groups and double taps, and good day sir. Sorry, my patience only goes so far.

Right but the word isn't getting out is it? I mean this didn't make national headlines. Why is that? Does the mainstream media not care to prevent crime in this way? By scaring perps straight? Maybe the mainstream media would rather see them killed than deterred. Damn idiopathic media!

 

[fskimospy]

Eskimospy thinks there's something wrong disposing of armed home invaders...

Not sure if serious. Empathizing with those who'd kill innocent men, women, children in their own homes. That somehow makes sense to you? It is not agreeable. They may be human, but their actions cross the line. They forfeit their lives. It's not up to us to play "oh golly gee, I really wish he hadn't done that". No. It's simply our duty to put them down. It is our duty to protect the innocent.

All good men should be the executioners of evil men, not their associates, companions, or sympathizers.

*Morally speaking, legal is another matter.

Ok then! So I'll sign you up for mandatory execution of all burglars too then, right? Next time I see you say something about excessive state power I will remember you are in board with hundreds of thousands, potentially millions of executions yearly.

 

[soulcougher73]

I'm not saying that we have to torture them or jerk off to their bodies, fwiw.

But we can right? I mean there's no law against it is there?

Damn it. I was drinking my morning coffee. lol

 

[MagickMan]

Well aren't you the charming little sociopath.

Like the folks cheering for the murder of Zimmerman? Double standards and such.