Mother holds off 3 home invaders with carbine

[MagickMan]

Yeah, sucks that she missed.

 

[z1ggy]

Ok then! So I'll sign you up for mandatory execution of all burglars too then, right? Next time I see you say something about excessive state power I will remember you are in board with hundreds of thousands, potentially millions of executions yearly.

Obviously not dude. These young poor teens need to go to jail, join a gang so they fit in, meet new crime connections, then go back to another neighbor!! But this time, they will do things better because they'll have learned from the best inside the ol' slammer

Good thing we showed them some empathy right??

This was an armed robbery, not some kids who got caught stealing candy bars from a 7-11. I'd be willing to wager these people have never contributed anything good to society and never will either. At best they'll flip hamburgers.

 

[soulcougher73]

Obviously not dude. These young poor teens need to go to jail, join a gang so they fit in, meet new crime connections, then go back to another neighbor!! But this time, they will do things better because they'll have learned from the best inside the ol' slammer

Good thing we showed them some empathy right??

This was an armed robbery, not some kids who got caught stealing candy bars from a 7-11. I'd be willing to wager these people have never contributed anything good to society and never will either. At best they'll flip hamburgers.

Are the best to learn from really in the ol' slammer? :whiste:

 

[fskimospy]

Obviously not dude. These young poor teens need to go to jail, join a gang so they fit in, meet new crime connections, then go back to another neighbor!! But this time, they will do things better because they'll have learned from the best inside the ol' slammer

Good thing we showed them some empathy right??

This was an armed robbery, not some kids who got caught stealing candy bars from a 7-11. I'd be willing to wager these people have never contributed anything good to society and never will either. At best they'll flip hamburgers.

So we have another supporter of mass executions!

It never ceases to amuse me how those on this board who seem most afraid of government power when it is providing health care are the most willing to use it to exterminate large numbers of their fellow citizens.

 

[michal1980]

So we have another supporter of mass executions!

It never ceases to amuse me how those on this board who seem most afraid of government power when it is providing health care are the most willing to use it to exterminate large numbers of their fellow citizens.

I love how you equate armed criminals to citizens.

 

[z1ggy]

So we have another supporter of mass executions!

It never ceases to amuse me how those on this board who seem most afraid of government power when it is providing health care are the most willing to use it to exterminate large numbers of their fellow citizens.

I do not consider those 3 people to be fellow citizens. I consider people like them a threat to society, to my family and my way of life.

I'm not saying they should preemptively executed like some minority report crap..But what good are they? Honestly?? Would you hire these three to mow your lawn..Be around your property, your children??

Like I said, at best they will flip burgers. (ps I have no problem with burger flippers as long as they aren't committing felony armed robbery and B&Es)

 

[waggy]

assault rifle. definitely. we should lock her up.

wait. didn't a bunch here say "assault rifles" are useless for home defense?

seems it worked great.

 

[fskimospy]

I do not consider those 3 people to be fellow citizens. I consider people like them a threat to society, to my family and my way of life.

I'm not saying they should preemptively executed like some minority report crap..But what good are they? Honestly?? Would you hire these three to mow your lawn..Be around your property, your children??

Like I said, at best they will flip burgers. (ps I have no problem with burger flippers as long as they aren't committing felony armed robbery and B&Es)

Well unfortunately you don't have the power to strip citizenship from people, so they are your fellow citizens.

The idea that because someone commits a felony, even a violent one, that they will never have any use to society is naive. It is even worse that one would believe that they can be the arbiter of someone else's future use to society and determine that they deserve death because they don't meet the cut.

Like I said, it is funny to me that some of the same people who think using the power of government to guarantee health care is tyranny also support using the power of government to declare people useless and unworthy of life, and then execute them.

 

[fskimospy]

wait. didn't a bunch here say "assault rifles" are useless for home defense?

seems it worked great.

I'm not aware of anyone that has said they are useless for it, just that if home defense is your priority they are a poor choice among available weapons.

 

[fskimospy]

I love how you equate armed criminals to citizens.

They are citizens. Don't you know the Constitution?

 

[michal1980]

They are citizens. Don't you know the Constitution?

your brain defect equates armed robbers with citizens defending themselves.

 

[Brovane]

NSFW http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums...otivational-poster-1259858184_zpsa297e027.jpg

 

[z1ggy]

Well unfortunately you don't have the power to strip citizenship from people, so they are your fellow citizens.

The idea that because someone commits a felony, even a violent one, that they will never have any use to society is naive. It is even worse that one would believe that they can be the arbiter of someone else's future use to society and determine that they deserve death because they don't meet the cut.

Like I said, it is funny to me that some of the same people who think using the power of government to guarantee health care is tyranny also support using the power of government to declare people useless and unworthy of life, and then execute them.

Well I readily await your next thread titled, "How I opened a business and hired violent criminals to run it". I'm sure that would work out awesome.

And I don't know why you lump me into that ultra conservative party, because I'm not. I wish the government could provide us universal healthcare like the rest of the world, because they make it work. That's a whole different can of worms, which is not what's being discussed here, so I'm not going to talk about it.

 

[Jaskalas]

Ok then! So I'll sign you up for mandatory execution of all burglars too then, right? Next time I see you say something about excessive state power I will remember you are in board with hundreds of thousands, potentially millions of executions yearly.

I've less problem leaving it up to, say, the States to decide. If you feel violent criminals should find empathy then I would not dictate to your State my moral views. Not the way you'd dictate to mine to set them free or whatever you plan for them.

If you were arguing for life in prison then I'd find your position more reasonable. There can be logical reasons to settle for that, if only due to circumstances and not what ultimately would be best. I appreciate that laws are often compromises, and I spoke strictly for what I view as moral.

Got nothing to do with excessive power, but our obligation to protect people like this mother and her children. There are people who cross that line and forfeit their lives. You disagree, but a greater difference may be that I accept that. I welcome the idea of plurality and diversity, for our people and our laws. I just don't welcome armed home invaders.

 

[fskimospy]

I've less problem leaving it up to, say, the States to decide. If you feel violent criminals should find empathy then I would not dictate to your State my moral views. Not the way you'd dictate to mine to set them free or whatever you plan for them.

If you were arguing for life in prison then I'd find your position more reasonable. There can be logical reasons to settle for that, if only due to circumstances and not what ultimately would be best. I appreciate that laws are often compromises, and I spoke strictly for what I view as moral.

I have actually never said a single word in this entire thread about a requirement for anyone to feel empathy for violent criminals. The only empathy I have expressed in this thread is for the children of the woman and how I am glad they did not experience a multiple homicide. All the cowboys posting in here were too busy slobbering over how great it would be to kill someone to think about the consequences of what that might mean for her children.

I am definitely not arguing for life in prison either, as there is really no evidence that such a draconian punishment is an effective answer to the problem. What evidence are you basing your decision as to what is 'reasonable' on?

Got nothing to do with excessive power, but our obligation to protect people like this mother and her children. There are people who cross that line and forfeit their lives. You disagree, but a greater difference may be that I accept that. I welcome the idea of plurality and diversity, for our people and our laws. I just don't welcome armed home invaders.

This is a descent into silliness. I find your views repugnant and creepy, but I've never argued against your ability to hold them. This is a common misconception in many places that the freedom to hold an opinion also means the freedom to never be criticized for holding that opinion. If you want to have opinions on controversial topics you should be secure enough in them to accept that others might criticize you for them.

I for one do not hold a policy that would lead to mass executions of hundreds of thousands if not millions of people to be a moral one. I find those who wish to limit government power over economics but use it as an instrument of mass death to be hypocrites.

 

[spidey07]

I'm not aware of anyone that has said they are useless for it, just that if home defense is your priority they are a poor choice among available weapons.

Wrong. It is common knowledge that a high powered rifle with many rounds of ammo in a single magazine is the best weapon there is for home defense.

Handgun - small ammo capacity, difficult to keep on target during durress and weak round
Shotgun - low ammo, high recoil
"assault rifle" - plenty ammo, man dropping round, low recoil, easy for females to shoot

 

[BUnit1701]

lol.

I have no doubt that's what you think, but that's because you're a sociopath. I don't expect you to understand how more normal people think because its likely your brain just doesn't work that way.

You might want to take a step back from claiming to represent 'normal' people.

 

[FerrelGeek]

I'd be willing to bet that the majority of "normal people" would not have any problem with it if these criminals had gotten killed in the process. I'm actually about the furthest thing possible from a sociopath, but I wouldn't expect an idiot such as yourself to be grasp that. :biggrin:

eskimo would rather have had the lady do it the state-worshiping lib way. Call 911 and pray she survived the beatings and the rape until the cops showed up to rescue her. Also hope that her wetting and barfing all over herself (as the feminists now advocate) grossed them out enough to just beat her. It's the compassionate thing to do vs threatening the poor victims of society with death. After all, the perps were entitled to her stuff. Those poor guys are probably gonna need state subsidized PTSD therapy.

 

[fskimospy]

Wrong. It is common knowledge that a high powered rifle with many rounds of ammo in a single magazine is the best weapon there is for home defense.

Handgun - small ammo capacity, difficult to keep on target during durress and weak round
Shotgun - low ammo, high recoil
"assault rifle" - plenty ammo, man dropping round, low recoil, easy for females to shoot

Wrong.

You conveniently forgot to add "round penetration through walls into rooms likely occupied by loved ones" to your "assault rifle" category.

Then again, I'm not entirely sure you care. You're crazy.

 

[fskimospy]

eskimo would rather have had the lady do it the state-worshiping lib way. Call 911 and pray she survived the beatings and the rape until the cops showed up to rescue her. Also hope that her wetting and barfing all over herself (as the feminists now advocate) grossed them out enough to just beat her. It's the compassionate thing to do vs threatening the poor victims of society with death. After all, the perps were entitled to her stuff. Those poor guys are probably gonna need state subsidized PTSD therapy.

Can you read through the thread and quote where I've advocated anything like that? I suggest you start with my first post.

Reading is fundamental, brotha.

 

[BUnit1701]

So you support the mandatory death penalty for all home invaders? If not, why don't you have empathy for the future victims?

Not at all. In fact, I think when they invade the home of one of you liberal bed-wetters who aren't capable of defending yourselves, they should be immune from prosecution.

 

[Brovane]

Wrong. It is common knowledge that a high powered rifle with many rounds of ammo in a single magazine is the best weapon there is for home defense.

Handgun - small ammo capacity, difficult to keep on target during durress and weak round
Shotgun - low ammo, high recoil
"assault rifle" - plenty ammo, man dropping round, low recoil, easy for females to shoot

I agree to a point. That Hi-Point Carbine in the article is a great home defense gun. Easy to handle with minimal recoil. I carbine firing a pistol round is great because you can easily aim with it, using a pistol round you will be not as likely to over penetrate your target and you have low recoil. I don't see a AR-15 firing .223 as a really great home defense weapon for most people unless you have a lot of land at your residence. I would be to worried about firing this inside of my residence and over-penetrating. However if you convert that AR-15 to fire a pistol round then it works great.

The issue with Carbine's like this however.
They usually have features that Gun Control Advocates do not like IE, High Capacity Magazines(more than 10), they have pistol grips and folding stocks. All these features tend to have people lump it into the Assault Weapon category.

 

[NetWareHead]

your brain defect equates armed robbers with citizens defending themselves.

This

I also support summary execution of criminals by homeowners defending themselves. I wish more of them ended up dead at the hands of their intended victims. I am a believer of deterrence. The more this happens, the less innocent people are victimized/killed and the more innocent law abiding people will have the opportunity to continue living. The people who really deserve to die are the criminals who have forfeited their own lives the moment they chose to engage in a home invasion. I have no respect and nothing but contempt for them and wouldn't shed a tear if 1 dropped dead with each passing day. (I was the victim once of an attempted mugging and had to use a broken coke bottle as a weapon to fend off 3 thug idiots so this issue hits me close to home and very personally). Its merely poetic justice for them to receive deadly force and better this way than to continue living and be able to victimize new people. These people are a scourge to society and have no place in a civilized community. Someone needs to take the proverbial trash out... Sociopath, fine I'll take it. Better a live sociopath than a dead bleeding heart criminal supporter.

Yes the situation does suck for the victim and family who in this case would have witnessed the death of the home invader(s) before their eyes. But remember they didn't ask for this and had their hand forced by the criminals.

 

[BUnit1701]

According to a quick check, it looks like about 40% of burglars are armed. While I don't know nearly enough about the various stats behind burglaries to make a good guess as to how many executions you're talking about but it still sounds like hundreds of thousands of deaths. That's monstrous. If you add in all the rapists too we're hitting truly insane numbers of deaths each year.

I can't believe that the only thing standing between someone and the deaths of hundreds of thousands (perhaps even millions) is a better justice system.

And you would rather be 'humane' and lock them in a cage at great expense? Yea, we are the sociopaths... :whiste:

 

[fskimospy]

Not at all. In fact, I think when they invade the home of one of you liberal bed-wetters who aren't capable of defending yourselves, they should be immune from prosecution.

lol!

Now we have a situation where you endorse the killing of anyone who enters a house, unless that homeowner does not own a gun, at which point you endorse the murder of the victim instead of the assailant. We're getting up to a pretty substantial portion of the US population that you are directly endorsing the violent death of.

Keep talking about what's 'normal' though, you clown.