Mother holds off 3 home invaders with carbine

[davmat787]

Why is there a next time, other than in your fear mongering imagination?

Why would anybody's stance on willful homicide change if they were so affected?

Because recidivism is a bitch? These rates (link below) are even higher than I expected.

Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%), and those in prison for possessing, using, or selling illegal weapons (70.2%).

More interesting stats on criminal recidivism on this Bureau of Justice Statistics page:

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17

 

[JTsyo]

The same can be said for any firearm. 9mm tends to penetrate through drywall better than .223/5.56 though as the rifle round is travelling fast enough to fragment on impact usually at the ranges we're talking about whereas the slower moving 9mm tends to remain intact.

http://how-i-did-it.org/drywall/results.html

Did a bit more reading on it. Take away seems to be if you miss, whatever you're using will keep going through a few rooms. I guess in that case you use whatever will stop the intruder best and ensures best accuracy. There are still sites like this that don't recommend rifles.

 

[brycejones]

So, uhh, You're a moron and scumbag. blah blah blah
Just STFU you miserable little boy.

The standard name calling and STFU post. Still giving Americans in Canada a bad name I see.

BTW good for the home owner and I hope these guys spend a long time in jail.

 

[irishScott]

Recidivism rates in the US are a big problem, but as you said I hardly think most normal people think mass executions are the way to solve that.

Yes, I would imagine that most of the posting in here is from internet tough guys who are just having an emotional reaction to something. It's still pretty gross though.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. At least I don't recall anyone suggesting mass executions. On the flip side you seemed, up until your clarifications, to be saying that it was good the 3 would-be home invaders lived, which implies sympathy and empathy for violent felons even during the commission of the felony.

Regardless of what anyone intended to say, that's what it sounded like.


For my part I do wish those three thugs had been killed in the act, and honestly I wouldn't shed a tear if they were hypothetically given the death penalty (assuming it was legally possible) after the fact. If we're not going to expend the resources to keep violent felons locked up for life or legitimately rehabilitate them, then we should shoot them. One way or another the threat should cease, and if society refuses to take the high road that only leaves the low road.

 

[Incorruptible]

The standard name calling and STFU post. Still giving Americans in Canada a bad name I see.

BTW good for the home owner and I hope these guys spend a long time in jail.

Finally! Good to see you defend the mother.

 

[Arkaign]

I agree to a point. That Hi-Point Carbine in the article is a great home defense gun. Easy to handle with minimal recoil. I carbine firing a pistol round is great because you can easily aim with it, using a pistol round you will be not as likely to over penetrate your target and you have low recoil. I don't see a AR-15 firing .223 as a really great home defense weapon for most people unless you have a lot of land at your residence. I would be to worried about firing this inside of my residence and over-penetrating. However if you convert that AR-15 to fire a pistol round then it works great.

The issue with Carbine's like this however.
They usually have features that Gun Control Advocates do not like IE, High Capacity Magazines(more than 10), they have pistol grips and folding stocks. All these features tend to have people lump it into the Assault Weapon category.

FWIW, you can also buy 55 grain .223 rounds that are explicitly designed not to be penetrators.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/8-BEAR-A2235HPN

I've test fired that at typical 1" drywall, and what comes out the back is basically a bunch of buckshot style fragments. I still wouldn't want to be on the other side mind you, but someone would have to be incredibly unlucky to be killed by it.

OTOH, the more common 69 grain FMJ ammo will kill you dead plain and simple right through the next room.

Converting an AR to fire 9MM is a lot more expensive than buying 55GR HPs for those on a budget. And being on a budget is the only way I can explain the choice of rifle talked about in this story.

My personal choice of home defense involves a slightly modified SX3 Coyote. I don't take it anywhere, and sure hope I never ever have to use it (I don't expect to).

 

[Veliko]

What we have here is a failure to communicate. At least I don't recall anyone suggesting mass executions. On the flip side you seemed, up until your clarifications, to be saying that it was good the 3 would-be home invaders lived, which implies sympathy and empathy for violent felons even during the commission of the felony.

Regardless of what anyone intended to say, that's what it sounded like.

It only sounds like that if you're incapable of seeing things in anything other than strict black and white terms.

For my part I do wish those three thugs had been killed in the act, and honestly I wouldn't shed a tear if they were hypothetically given the death penalty (assuming it was legally possible) after the fact. If we're not going to expend the resources to keep violent felons locked up for life or legitimately rehabilitate them, then we should shoot them. One way or another the threat should cease, and if society refuses to take the high road that only leaves the low road.

RAWR, you go girl!

 

[shortylickens]

Or you can buy a 20 gauge with birdshot and not only save money but have a better effect for deterring home invaders keeping people in the house safe.

 

[Incorruptible]

So, uhh, Death Penalty for everything, right?

Love how you ran away like the coward you are. You make up BS and then when I respond you run away, this is typical of you.

 

[kage69]

Those 3 perps should convert to Islam, join AQ, and change their names accordingly.

The people who wish they had been removed from the gene pool at the scene will suddenly find themselves very concerned about the perps civil rights and due process.

Funny how that works.

 

[kage69]

FWIW, you can also buy 55 grain .223 rounds that are explicitly designed not to be penetrators.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/8-BEAR-A2235HPN

I've test fired that at typical 1" drywall, and what comes out the back is basically a bunch of buckshot style fragments. I still wouldn't want to be on the other side mind you, but someone would have to be incredibly unlucky to be killed by it.

OTOH, the more common 69 grain FMJ ammo will kill you dead plain and simple right through the next room.

Converting an AR to fire 9MM is a lot more expensive than buying 55GR HPs for those on a budget. And being on a budget is the only way I can explain the choice of rifle talked about in this story.

My personal choice of home defense involves a slightly modified SX3 Coyote. I don't take it anywhere, and sure hope I never ever have to use it (I don't expect to).

40gr loads and those newer non-toxic 35gr loads are even better, pretty much disintegrate the instant they make contact with a firm surface. I've been told by a number of informed shooters whose opinions I respect that as long as you aren't sending a round in a perpendicular, 'right at it' path to the target, drywall, 2x4s, and insulation will do a decent job of catching it all with some fragments getting through but on deflected courses. I haven't tried it myself, all of my time on 5.56 has been with standard ammo and no way would I be shooting that indoors. Not with a family in the house anyway.

I've noticed that Federal now makes a round specifically for this purpose, the Guard Dog line of ammo. Not sure if it comes in non-handgun calibers, but what I've seen is pretty impressive. They use tailored powder and a polymer ball inside the bullet which results in no fragmentation whatsoever. No hollow point to wad up with clothing or drywall. The majority of the projectiles energy is given to the first thing it hits. Big slap, low penetration. I might grab some for the home pistols.

 

[irishScott]

It only sounds like that if you're incapable of seeing things in anything other than strict black and white terms.

Uh, my entire point was that both sides missed each others gray area. Nice try though.

RAWR, you go girl!

It was a serious statement. I'm listening for your further misinterpretations objections.