Most corrupt US President/Administration?

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Jhhnn

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I'm not saying he "derailed" anything... I don't think that train ever came to the station.

But how can you say that what I stated isn't true? It's pretty indisputable that he said all those things, and then none of them happened, while he sat on the side lines and cheered congress on.

I think you need to pay attention to the post you originally defended.

Obama did engage in a televised discussion with the Repub HOR caucus, and whupped 'em so badly even they had the sense to decline further public humiliation... And the Executive simply can't dictate means and methods to the legislative branch, anyway, seeing as how they're co-equal...

Did Obama over-promise? Sure, but his failure to deliver wasn't intentional on his part, but rather on the part of Congress, particularly the 40 republican members of the Senate.

All of which is neither here nor there wrt the subject at hand, anyway.

I'd offer that the Bush Admin wasn't corrupt in the sense that they did anything illegal. Hell, their party had successfully labored for changes to the laws that made the most scurrilous conflicts of interest entirely legal, even before they took office.

And, quite frankly, if we can't recognize that going to war on false pretenses isn't some sort of corruption, there's not really much to talk about, because we're not even speaking the same language...

If cutting taxes at the same time, particularly for America's wealthiest, wasn't some sort of corruption, then we have the same problem...

If orchestrating the outing of a CIA operative isn't corrupt, then what is? How about packing the DoJ with Fundie lawyers from a third rate legal school- is that not corrupt? Dismissing Federal Attorneys because they wouldn't play ball on the fake issue of voter fraud?

There are a whole list of other such happenings, as well...

When it's all said and done, the Bush Admin wasn't just corrupt, they raised corruption to a whole new level...
 

Zebo

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Obama derailed healthcare? Now you're just makin' shit up...

Couldn't have been 40 senatorial repubs plus a few DINO's... nah, I must have been dreaming that...

hack

start here (with a liberal I respect)
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/23/democrats

And continue reading Greenwald and maybe one day you'll wake up to the fact your boy is bought and sold. i.e. corrupt

I hate them all. Bush, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama for similar reasons - all corrupt and have tried to turn us in to a banana republic at behest of their financiers.

Until money is out of politics I have no use for any politician as they never do what's right for 99% of Americans but certainly for 1%.
 
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ConstipatedVigilante

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Nixon was a bad man, but a good president.
I would say Harding was the most corrupt president. He was terrible. GWB wasn't good, either.
 

Craig234

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Hmm, where to begin:

1. You're probably right, JFK was the only president to engage in ORGYS while in office.
2. And since your useranme is "Go Pack Go" I just have to say, A. Rodge for President 2028, (After multiple SB wins).
3. Throw Favre in Gitmo

Orgies do not make a President corrupt. You weigh orgies over money, civil rights, war.

Second, I'd like to see your evidence for 'orgies'.
 

Jhhnn

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hack

start here (with a liberal I respect)
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/23/democrats

And continue reading Greenwald and maybe one day you'll wake up to the fact your boy is bought and sold. i.e. corrupt

I hate them all. Bush, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama for similar reasons - all corrupt and have tried to turn us in to a banana republic at behest of their financiers.

Until money is out of politics I have no use for any politician as they never do what's right for 99% of Americans but certainly for 1%.

Hack? Please- you're the guy swinging the hatchet. Greenwald references Klein who claims that the Whitehouse opposed putting the public option back in the healthcare bill via reconciliation, all w/o a single source other than innuendo... And you believe that, take it for what you want it to mean, that the Whitehouse "didn't want" the public option?

Seriously, if they didn't want it, it wouldn't have been in their original proposal...

Not to mention that you rather desperately want to overlook the Byrd Rule, and the fact that repubs had 41 senators by the time reconciliation was on the table...

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35982

I rather suspect that the attempt would have meant no reform at all, which is what repubs really wanted, to "Beat Obama!" regardless of the consequences of doing so...

Sometimes it's better to settle for half a loaf, which is what the Whitehouse went with... I'm not sure I really agree in this instance, but I wasn't there to make the call. I do think that the Obama Admin has been too soft on the opposition, but compromise is not corruption other than in the minds of true zealots...
 

GroundedSailor

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I mostly agree with you except I would ignore put them in the following order for moral corruption:
GWB, Nixon & Reagan

Oh you want MORAL corruption...JFK is a the TOP of the list.

I guess we have different definitions of morals. I don't mean the type of 'morals' that the values crowd trumpets.

At Presidential level morals means what is good for the country..
 

Nemesis 1

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Orgies do not make a President corrupt. You weigh orgies over money, civil rights, war.

Second, I'd like to see your evidence for 'orgies'.


I couldn't agree more. If this stood as being evil to man than what is gaynesss.
 
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Nixon came to mind, but his administration werent all cronies. His attorney general quit when Nixon ordered him to drop the investigation on Watergate.

then i thought of Ulysses S. Grant.

But to me it has to be GW Bush hands down.


What do you think? WHY?

Where is your why?
 

Munky

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LJB, Bush, Nixon, FDR, Obama... hell, might as well search for which pres was not corrupt.
 

wirelessenabled

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If you go impugning the reputation of Saint Ronald, you're going to get the board's "Conservatives" up in arms!

LOL

It was no big deal, Ron just thought that he was above the Constitution, Division of Powers, etc.

So he sold US military weaponry to Khomeini's Iran and used the proceeds to finance the anti-Sandinista rebels in Nicaragua, Nancy's astrologist told him it was OK!!