Moscow Mitch appears to be malfunctioning

[pcgeek11]

Correct. I don't know squat about you. The only thing I know about you are from your posts. The ones with the false narratives deriding Democratic politicians while not a peep about even more deplorable Republican politician behavior. So that's the only thing I can go by. Your very words on these forums.

The fucking thread is about Mitch, I didn't just "include him".
My post was about him and I included the others as an after thought...

And you still don't have a clue, it's just laughable.

 

[akugami]

The fucking thread is about Mitch, I didn't just "include him".
My post was about him and I included the others as an after thought...

And you still don't have a clue, it's just laughable.

Sure, the thread is just about Mitch, that's why you took the opportunity to take shots at multiple Democrats, ignoring the even larger swath of terrible Republicans.

I have a clue. I read your posts. I don't always respond, but I've read them. It's full of opportunities to take thinly veiled insinuations of impartiality, but at the same time always taking shots at Democrats.

 

[manly]

However in reality republicans have clearly stated they won’t allow the seat to be filled so that’s not a choice.

Given this reality this are your choices
1) (in your words) elder abuse.
2) significant degradation of one of the core functions of government, resulting in harms to thousands, possibly millions.

That’s the choice - which do you do?

He votes for Donald Trump yet again in 2024, because he doesn't want Hunter Biden's laptop to be President.

 

[sportage]

Frankly it's not only Mitch, it's also Feinstein and Grassley and Trump and Joe Biden and many others.
So.... how do we go about doing this?
Because naturally THEY themselves refuse to retire on their own. And old people are not only stubborn but oblivious to their age. My 90 year old father was still believing at the age of 90 that he could climb a ladder onto the roof to fix a shingle. And he would have tried if we let him. Naturally, he'd be dead now. Or when his drivers license was taken away because he could no longer stay in his own lane, yet even with that he still today talks about wanting a car.

If people are going to live longer because of modern medicine, that doesn't mean they will retain their mental capacity. The body may hold out into the 90s but the mind will show its age.
I think we have to pass laws or a law not only to establish a cutoff age for running for office, but establish an age for mandatory retirement for all politicians. That includes for senators, house members, congressmen and women, presidents and even governors. Just exactly as we should have term limits we need age limits. We need both.

Maybe it could be linked to a valid drivers license. If you can't drive then you can't hold public office. Now, if Mitch McConnell were driving down the freeway and went into one of his zombie moments, he'd kill himself and kill who knows how many others. So then.... no license, no running for office. And for those already in public office, mandatory driving test every year. If you fail the test then you're out. If you fail common sense judgment to drive on the road you surely can't decide common sense political matters. RiGhT DoNaLd???

 

[pcgeek11]

However in reality republicans have clearly stated they won’t allow the seat to be filled so that’s not a choice.

Given this reality this are your choices
1) (in your words) elder abuse.
2) significant degradation of one of the core functions of government, resulting in harms to thousands, possibly millions.

That’s the choice - which do you do?

IMO Elder Abuse should not be an option, so scratch that.

I don't believe the removal of one person with severely impaired mental function will significantly degrade or harm anyone or anything. She doesn't even know what she is doing most of the time.

We know the Democrats don't care about Feinstein's welfare or health. Whip that old mule.

 

[pcgeek11]

He votes for Donald Trump yet again in 2024, because he doesn't want Hunter Biden's laptop to be President.

I have clearly stated on multiple occasions I wouldn't vote for Trump again.

 

[fskimospy]

IMO Elder Abuse should not be an option, so scratch that.

Got it - so you chose mass human suffering.

I don't believe the removal of one person with severely impaired mental function will significantly degrade or harm anyone or anything. She doesn't even know what she is doing most of the time.

We know the Democrats don't care about Feinstein's welfare or health. Whip that old mule.

So to be clear you think our courts don't need judges to function? Can you explain?

 

[GodisanAtheist]

We know the Democrats don't care about Feinstein's welfare or health. Whip that old mule.

- Yep, classic trolley problem.

Do we throw the old lady under the bus so that our society isn't held hostage and can function? Or do we throw society under a bus so an old lady can die privately in peace?

 

[pcgeek11]

Got it - so you chose mass human suffering.

So to be clear you think our courts don't need judges to function? Can you explain?

I don't believe there would be "Mass Human Suffering". That is some drama you concocted on your own.

Eventually there will be an appointment to fill her position and things will move along just fine. What did they do the months she was out due to her illness? This will be the same as the BS Budget crisis every year. OMG the sky is falling.

Everything doesn't ride on Feinstein's back.

 

[fskimospy]

- Yep, classic trolley problem.

Do we throw the old lady under the bus so that our society isn't held hostage and can function? Or do we throw society under a bus so an old lady can die privately in peace?

And remember, the only reason this is even a choice is because Republicans are making it a choice. They could very easily just not block her replacement.

In the end though I'm very comfortable with her making this decision. When you choose to run for office you swear an oath to put society's needs before your own. With severely understaffed courts you're going to have people accused of crimes who end up being innocent languishing in federal prison because there's no judge to hear their case. I wonder what they would have to say if told the reason was that Democrats thought it would be too mean to Diane Feinstein to have her come in to vote.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't believe there would be "Mass Human Suffering". That is some drama you concocted on your own.

So courts don't need judges to function? What do you think happens to someone when they are arrested and there's no judge available to hear their case? Do you think they get to go home?

Eventually there will be an appointment to fill her position and things will move along just fine. What did they do the months she was out due to her illness? This will be the same as the BS Budget crisis every year. OMG the sky is falling. Everything doesn't ride on Feinstein's back.

Can you explain exactly how there would be an appointment to fill her position? I get the sense you don't know how this works because lol no, there most certainly won't be.

 

[pcgeek11]

So courts don't need judges to function? What do you think happens to someone when they are arrested and there's no judge available to hear their case? Do you think they get to go home?

Can you explain exactly how there would be an appointment to fill her position? I get the sense you don't know how this works because lol no, there most certainly won't be.

So when they retire Feinstein all the judges just magically go away?
No, unless they are bailed out they have to wait for their court date just as they do now.

So they could never fill her seat for judicial appointments?

Feinstein’s current term isn’t up until 2024, so should her seat become vacant before then, it would be up to Gov. Gavin Newsom, a fellow Democrat, to appoint a temporary replacement. Newsom, like most governors, would have no restrictions on whom he could appoint – other than the constitutional age, citizenship and residency requirements that apply to all senators.

In the case of her other duties and appointments that would be up to Shumer and the Senate Rules. I'm sure they should have some method to appoint replacements. Not temporary replacements, but permanent ones.

 

[fskimospy]

So when they retire Feinstein all the judges just magically go away?
No, unless they are bailed out they have to wait for their court date just as they do now.

So they could never fill her seat for judicial appointments?

Correct, they can never fill her seat for judicial appointments for the remainder of the Senate term, meaning the next year and a half or so.

In the case of her other duties and appointments that would be up to Shumer and the Senate Rules. I'm sure they should have some method to appoint replacements. Not temporary replacements, but permanent ones.

They do have a method to appoint replacements - a new organizing resolution. Republicans have pledged to filibuster this in order to prevent Feinstein's seat from being filled.

 

[pcgeek11]

Correct, they can never fill her seat for judicial appointments for the remainder of the Senate term, meaning the next year and a half or so.


They do have a method to appoint replacements - a new organizing resolution. Republicans have pledged to filibuster this in order to prevent Feinstein's seat from being filled.

OK a year and a half... Take a deep breath, We will be just fine.

Well the republicans are wrong for this.

 

[fskimospy]

OK a year and a half... Take a deep breath, We will be just fine.

Well the republicans are wrong for this.

You think not staffing any new people for one of the fundamental three branches of government for a year and a half is an acceptable solution?

Is this a joke?

 

[pcgeek11]

You think not staffing any new people for one of the fundamental three branches of government for a year and a half is an acceptable solution?

Is this a joke?

Not a joke or the best option, but it's what we got.

This is what happens when neither party is willing to compromise.
I guess they will continue beating the old mule. We know the Dems are not going to force a retirement and the Reps are not going to give in.

What would you do?
Never mind I know, proper her up like the weekend at Bernies.

 

[IronWing]

Correct, they can never fill her seat for judicial appointments for the remainder of the Senate term, meaning the next year and a half or so.


They do have a method to appoint replacements - a new organizing resolution. Republicans have pledged to filibuster this in order to prevent Feinstein's seat from being filled.

The Senate Democrats can choose to dump the filibuster at any time.

 

[pcgeek11]

The Senate Democrats can choose to dump the filibuster at any time.

But they won't for obvious reasons...
Hint: Their own benefits in the future, when the tables are turned.

 

[IronWing]

But they won't for obvious reasons...
Hint: Their own benefits in the future, when the tables are turned.

Moscow Mitch drops the filibuster at will when the GOP is driving the bus. There is no reason whatsoever for the Dems to keep it when they have a majority.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

And we still have the mentally deranged buffoon from Alabama who is risking military readiness.

 

[pcgeek11]

Moscow Mitch drops the filibuster at will when the GOP is driving the bus. There is no reason whatsoever for the Dems to keep it when they have a majority.

Looks like the removal methods for the fillibuster in this case would eventually catch up to them in the future regardless of how they go about it.

Senate Filibuster: What It Is and How to Eliminate It

Molly E. Reynolds explains the Senate filibuster and what it would take to eliminate it.

www.brookings.edu

 

[fskimospy]

Not a joke or the best option, but it's what we got.

This is what happens when neither party is willing to compromise.

It's funny how when one party's position is that Democrats can't appoint any more judges despite winning the election and the Democrats' position is that they can you think the failure here is one of compromise.

I guess they will continue beating the old mule. We know the Dems are not going to force a retirement and the Reps are not going to give in.

What would you do?
Never mind I know, proper her up like the weekend at Bernies.

She's a public servant and she's putting the country first, which is admirable. If she wants to resign though that's an option available to her at any time.

Of course if Republicans were putting the country first we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

 

[fskimospy]

Looks like the removal methods for the fillibuster in this case would eventually catch up to them in the future regardless of how they go about it.

Senate Filibuster: What It Is and How to Eliminate It

Molly E. Reynolds explains the Senate filibuster and what it would take to eliminate it.

www.brookings.edu

Definitely would not catch up to them and it should have happened years ago.

The Senate is already an undemocratic institution by design, but the filibuster was never part of that design. Just let the Senate work the way the founding fathers intended.

What people don't get is Republicans have already eliminated the filibuster for things they care about. You need 51 votes to pass a tax cut for rich people but you need 60 votes for health care for poor people. There's no reason it should be that way, it makes no sense. Also, the ability of Republicans to roll back popular Democratic programs is overstated as shown by the failure of ACA repeal in 2017.

 

[pcgeek11]

It's funny how when one party's position is that Democrats can't appoint any more judges despite winning the election and the Democrats' position is that they can you think the failure here is one of compromise.


She's a public servant and she's putting the country first, which is admirable. If she wants to resign though that's an option available to her at any time.

Of course if Republicans were putting the country first we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

It would catch up to them in the sense that they wouldn't be able to use it when they are in a minority.

The failure is that they are living by the rules that are in place and neither side is willing to compromise. They need to abolish the filibuster but they won't because it would effect the Dem's in the future when the Rep's are in the majority.

Meh regardless we will be just fine. Her staff can continue making all her choices for her as they have been...

 

[fskimospy]

The failure is that they are living by the rules that are in place and neither side is willing to compromise. They need to abolish the filibuster but they won't because it would effect the Dem's in the future when the Rep's are in the majority.

This 'compromise' nonsense is so tiresome. It's just like with the debt limit where Republicans take hostages and then demand 'compromise'. If Republicans want to control what judges are on the bench they should win elections. Country first.

Yes, they need to abolish the filibuster. Also I don't care if it affects the Democrats in the future as it's good governance regardless. In a democracy the basic idea is when you win control of the government you get to enact your agenda. And please don't say that 'not a democracy, but a republic' thing. Republics are a form of democracy.