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trenchfoot

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Yesssssss. Blind trust or an S&P index fund only.

People think entirely the wrong way about legislative salaries. We should make them very large because in the scope of federal spending they are barely a rounding error but in the scope of corruption they can cause it’s huge. Pay them all a million a year, because when you don’t they find other ways to steal.


Although your logic is sound and something I agree with, the kink here is still that of greed, this emotional (instinctual?) urge to hoard resources so as to survive shortages caused by nature or manmade. A million in compensation is good, but there will always be someone or some entity that will offer a better deal and nine times out of ten will surely be in the form of all the usual corruptive methods now being used by big monied interests, both foreign and domestic.
 
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Yesssssss. Blind trust or an S&P index fund only.

People think entirely the wrong way about legislative salaries. We should make them very large because in the scope of federal spending they are barely a rounding error but in the scope of corruption they can cause it’s huge. Pay them all a million a year, because when you don’t they find other ways to steal.

The logic seems sound, but it sticks in the craw somewhat. And I doubt it's just me who feels like that, hence it may be politically-impossible to achieve.

Seems to me that the underlying problem is the growth of inequality generally - it means the political classes start getting anxious that they are being left behind by the elite high-earners that they constantly have to deal with and mix with (as they raise funds from them and respond to their lobbying and attempt to 'regulate' them).

Politicians are faced with the prospect of being left behind with the rest of us plebs, or scrambling aboard starship Plutocracy as it attempts to achieve economic escape velocity. So one way or another they are going to try and achieve parity with the super-rich. Hence, maybe, as you say, paying them a lot in the first place is the least-bad option, rather than leaving them to find their own means of keeping up with the Musks and the Bezoses.

But it does run the risk of attracting people with the wrong motivations - people looking for a lucrative career rather than with ideas of changing the world for the better. Paying huge bonuses didn't seem to work out that well in the financial sector.
 

fskimospy

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Although your logic is sound and something I agree with, the kink here is still that of greed, this emotional (instinctual?) urge to hoard resources so as to survive shortages caused by nature or manmade. A million in compensation is good, but there will always be someone or some entity that will offer a better deal and nine times out of ten will surely be in the form of all the usual corruptive methods now being used by big monied interests, both foreign and domestic.
Yes it won’t entirely eliminate corruption I thought this result was interesting - raising salaries for government officials in Italy made them less easily bribed, which caused the mob to kill more of them.

 

trenchfoot

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Yes it won’t entirely eliminate corruption I thought this result was interesting - raising salaries for government officials in Italy made them less easily bribed, which caused the mob to kill more of them.



That really is interesting, of which I then got intrigued about how much muscle and influence the organized crime families in America have over our own politicos especially in those areas of the nation where they held particular sway from back in the 19th/20th centuries. Not much news about their operations in recent history so I guess they've arranged some sort of cease fire among themselves and the authorities and found a line where all respective parties won't cross over.

I'll start a new thread on this if the notion arises.
 
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Maxima1

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The logic seems sound, but it sticks in the craw somewhat. And I doubt it's just me who feels like that, hence it may be politically-impossible to achieve.

It seems rather self-evident that it isn't sound. There is obviously some with significant net wealth, yet I bet if they were compared, their pattern would be just as bad or worse. I also wonder what they think constitutes "corruption"? I think public sector unions or military compensation falls into this.

For example, people always talk about military spending, but nobody ever talks about the VA. VA is now over 300 billion and just in a short few years will be 400 billion. The VA is basically the military's worker comp. There is only a little over 2 million personnel including reserves at a given time, while worker's comp covered around 60 billion in lost wages and medical for 130+ million employees. That's fucked up.
Seems to me that the underlying problem is the growth of inequality generally - it means the political classes start getting anxious that they are being left behind by the elite high-earners that they constantly have to deal with and mix with (as they raise funds from them and respond to their lobbying and attempt to 'regulate' them).

Politicians are faced with the prospect of being left behind with the rest of us plebs, or scrambling aboard starship Plutocracy as it attempts to achieve economic escape velocity. So one way or another they are going to try and achieve parity with the super-rich. Hence, maybe, as you say, paying them a lot in the first place is the least-bad option, rather than leaving them to find their own means of keeping up with the Musks and the Bezoses.
I'm pretty sure all of the G7 don't have an extreme like doling out a million, yet there are a number of countries with significantly less income inequality than the US. Germany and France are a few examples.

 
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I'm pretty sure all of the G7 don't have an extreme like doling out a million, yet there are a number of countries with significantly less income inequality than the US. Germany and France are a few examples.

Not sure what your point is there. It doesn't seem to contradict my point.

My point is that countries like the US (and the UK) that are very unequal are the ones that have this problem - so either you do something about the inequality or you have to pay your politicians a lot more (or you accept they'll find other means to enrich themselves).
(I'm also not convinced that countries like Germany and France aren't heading the same way as the US and UK.)
 

trenchfoot

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until she shows her elbows, ATOT will be unable to decide


Are you by chance referring to the tried and true elbow test whereby any female job prospect must pass this test or get walked out the door? To pass this requirement the candidate must raise her elbows with hands on shoulders until the forearms are parallel to the floor, then walk directly to the nearest wall and if her elbows touches the wall before any other part of her anatomy does, well that's it then.....next!
 

IronWing

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Are you by chance referring to the tried and true elbow test whereby any female job prospect must pass this test or get walked out the door? To pass this requirement the candidate must raise her elbows with hands on shoulders until the forearms are parallel to the floor, then walk directly to the nearest wall and if her elbows touches the wall before any other part of her anatomy does, well that's it then.....next!
No, but I like the way you think.
 
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if her elbows touches the wall before any other part of her anatomy does, well that's it then.....next!
Once this pregnant woman (my head of HR) tried to look out a window and let out a squeal coz her tummy hit the wall first. I wonder if her fetus inside gave her a sharp kick, "What are you trying to do? KILL ME????"
 

brianmanahan

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Are you by chance referring to the tried and true elbow test whereby any female job prospect must pass this test or get walked out the door? To pass this requirement the candidate must raise her elbows with hands on shoulders until the forearms are parallel to the floor, then walk directly to the nearest wall and if her elbows touches the wall before any other part of her anatomy does, well that's it then.....next!

no i am referring to the tried and true ATOT pointy elbow test
 

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I couldn't care less about old Glitch McConnell, but who is that MILF that is always by his side???

I'd love to give her a pearl necklace. LMAO.

My standards aren't high but the first thought of that woman next to him is definitely not a MILF lol
robbin m taylor. she's the state director to mitchums. usa today had her name captioned underneath this photo.
 

nakedfrog

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It seems rather self-evident that it isn't sound. There is obviously some with significant net wealth, yet I bet if they were compared, their pattern would be just as bad or worse. I also wonder what they think constitutes "corruption"? I think public sector unions or military compensation falls into this.

For example, people always talk about military spending, but nobody ever talks about the VA. VA is now over 300 billion and just in a short few years will be 400 billion. The VA is basically the military's worker comp. There is only a little over 2 million personnel including reserves at a given time, while worker's comp covered around 60 billion in lost wages and medical for 130+ million employees. That's fucked up.
This is not an accurate description of the VA. There's 16 million veterans in the US, the VA provides services to them.
 

sportage

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CNN: In his first Senate floor remarks since the incident, the Republican leader referred to ‘one particular moment.’ A new physician letter says McConnell did not have a stroke or seizure.

True... HE'S SIMPLY FREAKIN TOO OLD!!!! THAT'S HIS PROBEM.
Retire already, already.... :rolleyes:

We gotta get these oid farts out of the government. Period!
They are doing damage to themselves, AND damage to us.
You wouldn't allow an 81 year old to wonder down the middle of the highway would you? Well, this is just as bad wondering around the senate floor in a trance.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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Yesssssss. Blind trust or an S&P index fund only.

People think entirely the wrong way about legislative salaries. We should make them very large because in the scope of federal spending they are barely a rounding error but in the scope of corruption they can cause it’s huge. Pay them all a million a year, because when you don’t they find other ways to steal.
Because millionaires don't steal?
 
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CNN: In his first Senate floor remarks since the incident, the Republican leader referred to ‘one particular moment.’ A new physician letter says McConnell did not have a stroke or seizure.

True... HE'S SIMPLY FREAKIN TOO OLD!!!! THAT'S HIS PROBEM.
Retire already, already.... :rolleyes:

We gotta get these oid farts out of the government. Period!
They are doing damage to themselves, AND damage to us.
You wouldn't allow an 81 year old to wonder down the middle of the highway would you? Well, this is just as bad wondering around the senate floor in a trance.


Yes Mitch, Biden, Feinstein and Fetterman all need to go.
 
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