More Rumours of G71 & G80

[nordicpc]

Here's my little take:

The 7900GT and GTX cards will out-perform anything ATI has, especially in SLI. We've seen X-fire to be a pretty substancial mis-fire, while SLI has evolved quite nicely.

G80 should ship out a month or two before Vista, there's no point in shipping it earlier when there's no DX10 out, and no competition. Also, if it's on a 65nm process, it will take a little longer than 2 months to get the bugs worked out when they're just now getting 90nm production up to par.

The big question is when will nVidia and ATI start looking at alternatives like the CPU guys have for performance per watt. Those X1900XTX cards are sucking more power than the rest of the whole machine, and with Mis-fire and SLI, video cards easily eat more juice than two systems. I'd like to see a move towards more pipelines and lower frequencies, with the emphasis on making cooler, less hungry cards that can still outperform the current models. You won't need two actual chips, or two dies, for that to happen; GPU's are already very scaled. We just need to take the parallelism another step further.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Can I ask why does anyone have to get Pwned? Why can't you be happy if either side came out with a crusher card? I wanted the X1900XTX to absolutely demolish anything in sight. But it hasn't and I was dissappointed. Good card, not a "Great" card like it was hyped to be. I like it when there is an incentive for the "opposing" side to improve.
However, the GPU wars are at much too fast of a pace for the market to continue to support it, I think. They will have to slow down sooner or later.

How was the R580 hyped to be a super card? Everyone knew for months in advance it would be a 48 pixel shader card with 16 ROPs, so what exactly were you expecting? Or are you just a little slow?

actually, it was hyped to be a 48pipeline card, then 1 or 2 weeks before launch, it became 48 pixel shader...

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Vr-zone's edited rumour

http://www.xpentor.com/">Original rumour</a>

Nvidia G80 will make ATI stumble on April. Sources from anonymous mentioned that since the introduction of NV40 which was a very big leap over the defective NV30 with its spectacular features such as Shader Model 3.0 and SLI, in the next couple of months after G71 you will be promised to witness another new spectacular technology that will be brought by Nvidia to 3D Gaming community. It's been almost a year since Nvidia has not really altered much of its architecture just like what we see now in the G70, An increase in pipelines,the intro of MIMD and more vertex units. This is because Nvidia knows that ATI is currently having a hard time fixing and improving their bugged R5xx architecture so it isn't necessary for Nvidia to introduce an incredibly improved architecture. This is what you will see in G71, there will be 32pipes, increase in ROPs and a little speed bump over the coreclock, it is more like an absolute ultra pumped NV40based architecture. In the G80 however, Quad SLI it self can be implemented on a single card with two chips solution because it will carry the first dual core GPU ever with the support of DirectX10 and Shader Model 4.0. The development of G80 is also mentioned as being running very intensive since Nvidia's acquisition over ULi.

* 65nm
* 64 Shader pipelines (Vec4+Scalar)
* 32 TMU's
* 32 ROPs
* 128 Shader Operations per Cycle
* 800MHz Core
* 102.4 billion shader ops/sec
* 512GFLOPs for the shaders
* 2 Billion triangles/sec
* 25.6 Gpixels/Gtexels/sec
* 256-bit 512MB 1.8GHz GDDR4 Memory
* 57.6 GB/sec Bandwidth (at 1.8GHz)
* WGF2.0 Unified Shader

And the war continues..

But G71 with increased amount of ROPs? 24 ROPs? This means that the G71 will have a vital advantage when using HDR or maybe produce a smaller hit when using AA. Either than that 32 pipes.. what do you guys think?

I cant wait... i want benches now...

The original quote sounds like one of those bad NV PR posts. It's fishy, at best but rather pathetic: this is because Nvidia knows that ATI is currently having a hard time fixing and improving their bugged R5xx architecture so it isn't necessary for Nvidia to introduce an incredibly improved architecture. .... this is hilarious.
Suuuuure, NV has a "superior" stuff but it rather holds it back, only for fun, rather takes it anal as ATI's current X1900 outperforms any NV card... ROFL, what an idiot should wrote this, seriously.
Who believes this kinda crap, may I ask?

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Can I ask why does anyone have to get Pwned? Why can't you be happy if either side came out with a crusher card? I wanted the X1900XTX to absolutely demolish anything in sight. But it hasn't and I was dissappointed. Good card, not a "Great" card like it was hyped to be. I like it when there is an incentive for the "opposing" side to improve.
However, the GPU wars are at much too fast of a pace for the market to continue to support it, I think. They will have to slow down sooner or later.

How was the R580 hyped to be a super card? Everyone knew for months in advance it would be a 48 pixel shader card with 16 ROPs, so what exactly were you expecting? Or are you just a little slow?

actually, it was hyped to be a 48pipeline card, then 1 or 2 weeks before launch, it became 48 pixel shader...

Hyped up only to those who believed the hype and rumors. Some people already knew what the specs were gonna be as soon as the specs of the x1600 were officially known back in October.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: munky
Every one of yor posts reeks of fanboyism and ignorance. Keep digging, cause it's not too hard to find more BS from your posts.

Ha, ha, ha --> poor monkey. My statements are backed by benchmarks and news stories. You being a hypocrite is backed by nothing.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Can I ask why does anyone have to get Pwned? Why can't you be happy if either side came out with a crusher card? I wanted the X1900XTX to absolutely demolish anything in sight. But it hasn't and I was dissappointed. Good card, not a "Great" card like it was hyped to be. I like it when there is an incentive for the "opposing" side to improve.
However, the GPU wars are at much too fast of a pace for the market to continue to support it, I think. They will have to slow down sooner or later.

Dont you think it's at least a little interesting what the performance delta in FEAR is? If 3 years ago people saw the benches of a 9700p vs a ti4600 in quake3 at 10x7 0x0x, they may also walk away saying the 9700p was not nearly what it was hyped up to be. Few cards if any ever live up to the hype, but it's not just the cards that are evolving, the gaming industry is moving forward also.

It's not true at all. 9700 Pro was the one which turned the whole table, where ATI took the lead, the architecture which ruled even the craptastic FX as well.
In fact 9700 Pro became much bigger than it was hyped ever.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: nordicpc
Here's my little take:

The 7900GT and GTX cards will out-perform anything ATI has, especially in SLI. We've seen X-fire to be a pretty substancial mis-fire, while SLI has evolved quite nicely.

G80 should ship out a month or two before Vista, there's no point in shipping it earlier when there's no DX10 out, and no competition. Also, if it's on a 65nm process, it will take a little longer than 2 months to get the bugs worked out when they're just now getting 90nm production up to par.

The big question is when will nVidia and ATI start looking at alternatives like the CPU guys have for performance per watt. Those X1900XTX cards are sucking more power than the rest of the whole machine, and with Mis-fire and SLI, video cards easily eat more juice than two systems. I'd like to see a move towards more pipelines and lower frequencies, with the emphasis on making cooler, less hungry cards that can still outperform the current models. You won't need two actual chips, or two dies, for that to happen; GPU's are already very scaled. We just need to take the parallelism another step further.

your analogy is exactly what had happened in the CPU industry... hence history is going to repeat itself for GPUs?

b/w, I agree with your analogy.

 

[nts]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
My statements are backed by benchmarks and news stories.

:laugh:

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: Wreckage
My statements are backed by benchmarks and news stories.

:laugh:

nts' satements are backed by ATI and smilie icons.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Can I ask why does anyone have to get Pwned? Why can't you be happy if either side came out with a crusher card? I wanted the X1900XTX to absolutely demolish anything in sight. But it hasn't and I was dissappointed. Good card, not a "Great" card like it was hyped to be. I like it when there is an incentive for the "opposing" side to improve.
However, the GPU wars are at much too fast of a pace for the market to continue to support it, I think. They will have to slow down sooner or later.

How was the R580 hyped to be a super card? Everyone knew for months in advance it would be a 48 pixel shader card with 16 ROPs, so what exactly were you expecting? Or are you just a little slow?

actually, it was hyped to be a 48pipeline card, then 1 or 2 weeks before launch, it became 48 pixel shader...

Hyped up only to those who believed the hype and rumors. Some people already knew what the specs were gonna be as soon as the specs of the x1600 were officially known back in October.

rather than saying "some people already knew...", its more of a "some people speculated..."

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
Every one of yor posts reeks of fanboyism and ignorance. Keep digging, cause it's not too hard to find more BS from your posts.

Ha, ha, ha --> poor monkey. My statements are backed by benchmarks and news stories. You being a hypocrite is backed by nothing.

okok Wreckage , you owned. :thumbsup:

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
Every one of yor posts reeks of fanboyism and ignorance. Keep digging, cause it's not too hard to find more BS from your posts.

Ha, ha, ha --> poor monkey. My statements are backed by [ H ]ocp and nvnews. You being a hypocrite is backed by me pretending the g71 is less than a month away, with its allmighty 32 texture units.

fixed...

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: beggerking
actually, it was hyped to be a 48pipeline card, then 1 or 2 weeks before launch, it became 48 pixel shader...

Hyped up only to those who believed the hype and rumors. Some people already knew what the specs were gonna be as soon as the specs of the x1600 were officially known back in October.

rather than saying "some people already knew...", its more of a "some people speculated..."

No, it's more of "some people already saw leaked Ati docs, and others just refused to believe them."

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: beggerking
actually, it was hyped to be a 48pipeline card, then 1 or 2 weeks before launch, it became 48 pixel shader...

Hyped up only to those who believed the hype and rumors. Some people already knew what the specs were gonna be as soon as the specs of the x1600 were officially known back in October.

rather than saying "some people already knew...", its more of a "some people speculated..."

No, it's more of "some people already saw leaked Ati docs, and others just refused to believe them."

leaked docs may be old specs etc. They may change it anytime before they launch the product.

but anyways, some people truly believed it would trouce GTX Sli in ALL benchmarks. Turned out to be a disappointment, an refresh rather than a great leap forward..

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
Every one of yor posts reeks of fanboyism and ignorance. Keep digging, cause it's not too hard to find more BS from your posts.

Ha, ha, ha --> poor monkey. My statements are backed by [ H ]ocp and nvnews. You being a hypocrite is backed by me pretending the g71 is less than a month away, with its allmighty 32 texture units.

fixed...

any "leaked" info on G71? Monkey?

 

[5150Joker]

Begger, what card do you own? Do you plan to buy G71?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
Every one of yor posts reeks of fanboyism and ignorance. Keep digging, cause it's not too hard to find more BS from your posts.

Ha, ha, ha --> poor monkey. My statements are backed by [ H ]ocp and nvnews. You being a hypocrite is backed by me pretending the g71 is less than a month away, with its allmighty 32 texture units.

fixed...

Sad, sad, little monkey. I have also posted benches from Tech Report and X-bit, but the whole world is biased against your shattered view of reality I suppose.

I have never said anything about G71's specs other than it will be faster than the current cards. I don't know how many pipes it will have, what clock it will run at etc. So don't make up sh!t to try and cover your failures.

 

[nib95]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
Every one of yor posts reeks of fanboyism and ignorance. Keep digging, cause it's not too hard to find more BS from your posts.

Ha, ha, ha --> poor monkey. My statements are backed by [ H ]ocp and nvnews. You being a hypocrite is backed by me pretending the g71 is less than a month away, with its allmighty 32 texture units.

fixed...

Sad, sad, little monkey. I have also posted benches from Tech Report and X-bit, but the whole world is biased against your shattered view of reality I suppose.

I have never said anything about G71's specs other than it will be faster than the current cards. I don't know how many pipes it will have, what clock it will run at etc. So don't make up sh!t to try and cover your failures.

Can you two girls stop bickering now?

 

[beggerking]

I'm actually running a 9600xt AGP..
perhaps 7800GS if I stay AGP

or if I rebuilt my system with PCI-E,

I might go G71

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Can I ask why does anyone have to get Pwned? Why can't you be happy if either side came out with a crusher card? I wanted the X1900XTX to absolutely demolish anything in sight. But it hasn't and I was dissappointed. Good card, not a "Great" card like it was hyped to be. I like it when there is an incentive for the "opposing" side to improve.
However, the GPU wars are at much too fast of a pace for the market to continue to support it, I think. They will have to slow down sooner or later.

How was the R580 hyped to be a super card? Everyone knew for months in advance it would be a 48 pixel shader card with 16 ROPs, so what exactly were you expecting? Or are you just a little slow?

No, the card is a little slow for it's hype. And whats with the insults? Chill out Joker.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Can I ask why does anyone have to get Pwned? Why can't you be happy if either side came out with a crusher card? I wanted the X1900XTX to absolutely demolish anything in sight. But it hasn't and I was dissappointed. Good card, not a "Great" card like it was hyped to be. I like it when there is an incentive for the "opposing" side to improve.
However, the GPU wars are at much too fast of a pace for the market to continue to support it, I think. They will have to slow down sooner or later.

How was the R580 hyped to be a super card? Everyone knew for months in advance it would be a 48 pixel shader card with 16 ROPs, so what exactly were you expecting? Or are you just a little slow?

actually, it was hyped to be a 48pipeline card, then 1 or 2 weeks before launch, it became 48 pixel shader...

Uh no, where the hell did you hear it would be 48 pipelines? I never saw any site speculate it would be 48 pipelines, at least no place credible.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: nib95
Can you two girls stop bickering now?

Judging by your member date, I can only imagine you were banned from here before because of such insightful comments. :roll:

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
Every one of yor posts reeks of fanboyism and ignorance. Keep digging, cause it's not too hard to find more BS from your posts.

Ha, ha, ha --> poor monkey. My statements are backed by [ H ]ocp and nvnews. You being a hypocrite is backed by me pretending the g71 is less than a month away, with its allmighty 32 texture units.

fixed...

Com'on Monekey, you got owned, get over it, no big deal. be fair, ATI isn't better than NV and NV isn't worse than ATI, it all depends on generation of chip design. G71 is as well worth the wait as was 1900xt.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: beggerking
actually, it was hyped to be a 48pipeline card, then 1 or 2 weeks before launch, it became 48 pixel shader...

Hyped up only to those who believed the hype and rumors. Some people already knew what the specs were gonna be as soon as the specs of the x1600 were officially known back in October.

rather than saying "some people already knew...", its more of a "some people speculated..."

No, it's more of "some people already saw leaked Ati docs, and others just refused to believe them."

leaked docs may be old specs etc. They may change it anytime before they launch the product.

but anyways, some people truly believed it would trouce GTX Sli in ALL benchmarks. Turned out to be a disappointment, an refresh rather than a great leap forward..

In your mind perhaps, don't make generalizations. R580 has been hailed by most reviewers as a good product and the vast majority of people who actually have the card are happy with it.

So which is it a disappointment or a 'worth the wait' as you say a few posts later?

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
Every one of yor posts reeks of fanboyism and ignorance. Keep digging, cause it's not too hard to find more BS from your posts.

Ha, ha, ha --> poor monkey. My statements are backed by [ H ]ocp and nvnews. You being a hypocrite is backed by me pretending the g71 is less than a month away, with its allmighty 32 texture units.

fixed...

Sad, sad, little monkey. I have also posted benches from Tech Report and X-bit, but the whole world is biased against your shattered view of reality I suppose.

I have never said anything about G71's specs other than it will be faster than the current cards. I don't know how many pipes it will have, what clock it will run at etc. So don't make up sh!t to try and cover your failures.

Can you two girls stop bickering now?

I'm with Wreckage. G71 is worth the wait as was with 1900.