More Rumours of G71 & G80

[5150Joker]

I think we can all agree G71 is going to be an awesome card. End thread.

 

[nib95]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: nib95
Can you two girls stop bickering now?

Judging by your member date, I can only imagine you were banned from here before because of such insightful comments. :roll:

Well, much like many of your other assumptions I have come to witness over the last 2 days, you are wrong.

Perhaps you can start making a habit out of being incorrect, you seem to have a positive knack for it. Perhaps your a prodigal nitwit?

Also, talk about hypocrisy. You do realise you have the tag 'NEW' above your own name?

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Can I ask why does anyone have to get Pwned? Why can't you be happy if either side came out with a crusher card? I wanted the X1900XTX to absolutely demolish anything in sight. But it hasn't and I was dissappointed. Good card, not a "Great" card like it was hyped to be. I like it when there is an incentive for the "opposing" side to improve.
However, the GPU wars are at much too fast of a pace for the market to continue to support it, I think. They will have to slow down sooner or later.

How was the R580 hyped to be a super card? Everyone knew for months in advance it would be a 48 pixel shader card with 16 ROPs, so what exactly were you expecting? Or are you just a little slow?

actually, it was hyped to be a 48pipeline card, then 1 or 2 weeks before launch, it became 48 pixel shader...

Uh no, where the hell did you hear it would be 48 pipelines? I never saw any site speculate it would be 48 pipelines, at least no place credible.

I've been following it way since X800 days. the hype starte with 32 pipelines, then it moved to 48 when 7800gtx came out etc.

because you havn't heard it doesn't mean its not from a credible source.
a credible source may/maybe have the correct info either.

The truth/end result is, 1900xt is a good card w. good price, but its not as fast as it was hyped up to be. Even considering its 48 pixel shader, it doesn't triple its speed. Obviously there are bottlenecks somewhere thats holding back the triple pixel shader.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Can I ask why does anyone have to get Pwned? Why can't you be happy if either side came out with a crusher card? I wanted the X1900XTX to absolutely demolish anything in sight. But it hasn't and I was dissappointed. Good card, not a "Great" card like it was hyped to be. I like it when there is an incentive for the "opposing" side to improve.
However, the GPU wars are at much too fast of a pace for the market to continue to support it, I think. They will have to slow down sooner or later.

How was the R580 hyped to be a super card? Everyone knew for months in advance it would be a 48 pixel shader card with 16 ROPs, so what exactly were you expecting? Or are you just a little slow?

actually, it was hyped to be a 48pipeline card, then 1 or 2 weeks before launch, it became 48 pixel shader...

Uh no, where the hell did you hear it would be 48 pipelines? I never saw any site speculate it would be 48 pipelines, at least no place credible.

I've been following it way since X800 days. the hype starte with 32 pipelines, then it moved to 48 when 7800gtx came out etc.

because you havn't heard it doesn't mean its not from a credible source.
a credible source may/maybe have the correct info either.

The truth/end result is, 1900xt is a good card w. good price, but its not as fast as it was hyped up to be. Even considering its 48 pixel shader, it doesn't triple its speed. Obviously there are bottlenecks somewhere thats holding back the triple pixel shader.

Like I said, show me a credible source or even forum that mentioned it having 48 pipelines? Hell I don't even think the INQ speculated on that and they take wild guesses on everything. The card was never hyped to be more than it is: a 48 pixel pipe card using the same architecture as R520. It isn't bottlenecked, the problem is there aren't a lot of shader intensive titles out on the market YET but we should see them in the near future. Regardless, for a $500 card, the X1900XT performs about on par with a $800+ 512 GTX, I'd say that's great, not just good.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: beggerking
actually, it was hyped to be a 48pipeline card, then 1 or 2 weeks before launch, it became 48 pixel shader...

Hyped up only to those who believed the hype and rumors. Some people already knew what the specs were gonna be as soon as the specs of the x1600 were officially known back in October.

rather than saying "some people already knew...", its more of a "some people speculated..."

No, it's more of "some people already saw leaked Ati docs, and others just refused to believe them."

leaked docs may be old specs etc. They may change it anytime before they launch the product.

but anyways, some people truly believed it would trouce GTX Sli in ALL benchmarks. Turned out to be a disappointment, an refresh rather than a great leap forward..,

In your mind perhaps, don't make generalizations. R580 has been hailed by most reviewers as a good product and the vast majority of people who actually have the card are happy with it.

So which is it a disappointment or a 'worth the wait' as you say a few posts later?

Ayabe, stop being an ATI fanboy who defend all ATI comments/ Crap all NV comments.

your ATIfanism confused you and made you miss the point. let me high light for you.

being a prick as you have proved you are, you are not welcome here.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Sad, sad, little monkey. I have also posted benches from Tech Report and X-bit, but the whole world is biased against your shattered view of reality I suppose.

And yet you still post sh!t like "the gtx512 is on par with the x1900" when all those sites have concluded otherwise. Ignorance is bliss, isnt it?

I have never said anything about G71's specs other than it will be faster than the current cards. I don't know how many pipes it will have, what clock it will run at etc. So don't make up sh!t to try and cover your failures.

Which failures would those be? That I suggested to wait for the r580 and it came out less than 4 weeks from then, beating out the overpriced ghost card you're so proud of, or your suggesting that we should all wait for the g71, which is at least another 5-6 weeks away IF you assume the best case scenario?

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Can I ask why does anyone have to get Pwned? Why can't you be happy if either side came out with a crusher card? I wanted the X1900XTX to absolutely demolish anything in sight. But it hasn't and I was dissappointed. Good card, not a "Great" card like it was hyped to be. I like it when there is an incentive for the "opposing" side to improve.
However, the GPU wars are at much too fast of a pace for the market to continue to support it, I think. They will have to slow down sooner or later.

How was the R580 hyped to be a super card? Everyone knew for months in advance it would be a 48 pixel shader card with 16 ROPs, so what exactly were you expecting? Or are you just a little slow?

actually, it was hyped to be a 48pipeline card, then 1 or 2 weeks before launch, it became 48 pixel shader...

Uh no, where the hell did you hear it would be 48 pipelines? I never saw any site speculate it would be 48 pipelines, at least no place credible.

I've been following it way since X800 days. the hype starte with 32 pipelines, then it moved to 48 when 7800gtx came out etc.

because you havn't heard it doesn't mean its not from a credible source.
a credible source may/maybe have the correct info either.

The truth/end result is, 1900xt is a good card w. good price, but its not as fast as it was hyped up to be. Even considering its 48 pixel shader, it doesn't triple its speed. Obviously there are bottlenecks somewhere thats holding back the triple pixel shader.

Like I said, show me a credible source or even forum that mentioned it having 48 pipelines? Hell I don't even think the INQ speculated on that and they take wild guesses on everything. The card was never hyped to be more than it is: a 48 pixel pipe card using the same architecture as R520. It isn't bottlenecked, the problem is there aren't a lot of shader intensive titles out on the market YET but we should see them in the near future. Regardless, for a $500 card, the X1900XT performs about on par with a $800+ 512 GTX, I'd say that's great, not just good.

one of millions of forums speculating 48pipeline 1900

I think Fear does use tons of shaders but doesn't product 3x performance...then the bottleneck is on software. Maybe softwares are not going to be ALL shader dependent as ATI expected it to be..? who knows, only time will tell, correct ? Joker?

but for now, we can say its currently software bottlenecked.

But in anyway, 1900 is a great card at an awesome price, perhaps on the par as 7800GT.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: munky
And yet you still post sh!t like "the gtx512 is on par with the x1900" when all those sites have concluded otherwise. Ignorance is bliss, isnt it?

Ha, I forgot that some monkeys can't swim. I posted a chart earlier where it shows XTX winning some and the GTX winning some. Backing my statement that the R580 did not even come close to dominating the GTX and once you do crossfire vs SLI it's even less.

Which failures would those be? That I suggested to wait for the r580 and it came out less than 4 weeks from then, beating out the overpriced ghost card you're so proud of, or your suggesting that we should all wait for the g71, which is at least another 5-6 weeks away IF you assume the best case scenario?

Saying wait for one and not the other makes you a hypocrite and your argument a failure. Even if ATI did slip you a release date because your so special.

I don't know when the G71 will be released and so I would not tell anyone to bank on it if they need a card ASAP.

 

[mooncancook]

Nvidia G80 will make ATI stumble on April.

do they mean April 2007? I mean April 2006 is impossible right since G71 will be out around March? not making sense...

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Can I ask why does anyone have to get Pwned? Why can't you be happy if either side came out with a crusher card? I wanted the X1900XTX to absolutely demolish anything in sight. But it hasn't and I was dissappointed. Good card, not a "Great" card like it was hyped to be. I like it when there is an incentive for the "opposing" side to improve.
However, the GPU wars are at much too fast of a pace for the market to continue to support it, I think. They will have to slow down sooner or later.

How was the R580 hyped to be a super card? Everyone knew for months in advance it would be a 48 pixel shader card with 16 ROPs, so what exactly were you expecting? Or are you just a little slow?

actually, it was hyped to be a 48pipeline card, then 1 or 2 weeks before launch, it became 48 pixel shader...

No. It was clear over at Beyond3d that the R530 would be more like the x1600 (16-1-3-1) rather than the x1800 (16-1-1-1). This was common knowledge even before the R520 launch.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: beggerking
one of millions of forums speculating 48pipeline 1900

I think Fear does use tons of shaders but doesn't product 3x performance...then the bottleneck is on software. Maybe softwares are not going to be ALL shader dependent as ATI expected it to be..? who knows, only time will tell, correct ? Joker?

but for now, we can say its currently software bottlenecked.

But in anyway, 1900 is a great card at an awesome price, perhaps on the par as 7800GT.

http://forums.tweakguides.com/showpost.php?p=12291&postcount=14

Even though that isn't really a credible video card website. Next time if you want to learn about vid. cards check out Beyond3D forums - most of the stuff they discuss might be over both our heads but there's a lot of good info. there.

 

[nts]

Originally posted by: beggerking
one of millions of forums speculating 48pipeline 1900
....

From the link to AT in that thread (first post)

The Silver Bullets presentation was a little light on details, but did confirm the R580 GPU has 48 pixel shader processors

!= pipelines

try again

 

[nib95]

Originally posted by: mooncancook

Nvidia G80 will make ATI stumble on April.

do they mean April 2007? I mean April 2006 is impossible right since G71 will be out around March? not making sense...

I'm pretty sure Nvidia said the card would be released June/July time.
So the article is probably just wrong.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Sad, sad, little monkey. I have also posted benches from Tech Report and X-bit, but the whole world is biased against your shattered view of reality I suppose.

And yet you still post sh!t like "the gtx512 is on par with the x1900" when all those sites have concluded otherwise. Ignorance is bliss, isnt it?

I have never said anything about G71's specs other than it will be faster than the current cards. I don't know how many pipes it will have, what clock it will run at etc. So don't make up sh!t to try and cover your failures.

Which failures would those be? That I suggested to wait for the r580 and it came out less than 4 weeks from then, beating out the overpriced ghost card you're so proud of, or your suggesting that we should all wait for the g71, which is at least another 5-6 weeks away IF you assume the best case scenario?

actually, monkey, a win is a win. GTX is better at OpenGL / almost all resolution without HDR, while 1900 is better at HDR/AA. most sites don't compare more than 5 games, goto xlib and you'll see a comparison of 10+ games, GTX actually won in more games... when you compare, compare to all scenario is better than comparing them to only a selected few (shader intensive).

Yes , 7800 512 is overpriced.. consider the price of 1900. but as we have waited for 1800/1900, we should also wait for g71.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking
but anyways, some people truly believed it would trouce GTX Sli in ALL benchmarks. Turned out to be a disappointment, an refresh rather than a great leap forward..,

In your mind perhaps, don't make generalizations. R580 has been hailed by most reviewers as a good product and the vast majority of people who actually have the card are happy with it.

So which is it a disappointment or a 'worth the wait' as you say a few posts later?

Ayabe, stop being an ATI fanboy who defend all ATI comments/ Crap all NV comments.

your ATIfanism confused you and made you miss the point. let me high light for you.

being a prick as you have proved you are, you are not welcome here.

I asked you to clarify, whether R580 is a disappointment or worth the wait, you contradicted yourself on the same page.

What point are you trying to highlight? Do you have a point? I don't see one.

Also, I'm still waiting for you to highlight my crapping of NV comments.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Can I ask why does anyone have to get Pwned? Why can't you be happy if either side came out with a crusher card? I wanted the X1900XTX to absolutely demolish anything in sight. But it hasn't and I was dissappointed. Good card, not a "Great" card like it was hyped to be. I like it when there is an incentive for the "opposing" side to improve.
However, the GPU wars are at much too fast of a pace for the market to continue to support it, I think. They will have to slow down sooner or later.

How was the R580 hyped to be a super card? Everyone knew for months in advance it would be a 48 pixel shader card with 16 ROPs, so what exactly were you expecting? Or are you just a little slow?

actually, it was hyped to be a 48pipeline card, then 1 or 2 weeks before launch, it became 48 pixel shader...

No. It was clear over at Beyond3d that the R530 would be more like the x1600 (16-1-3-1) rather than the x1800 (16-1-1-1). This was common knowledge even before the R520 launch.

what you think as "common" may not be as "common" to others. that is what a hype is, it is only speculations. no one know EXACTLY what was going to happen until it actually happened. forum differ one by one

 

[nib95]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Sad, sad, little monkey. I have also posted benches from Tech Report and X-bit, but the whole world is biased against your shattered view of reality I suppose.

And yet you still post sh!t like "the gtx512 is on par with the x1900" when all those sites have concluded otherwise. Ignorance is bliss, isnt it?

I have never said anything about G71's specs other than it will be faster than the current cards. I don't know how many pipes it will have, what clock it will run at etc. So don't make up sh!t to try and cover your failures.

Which failures would those be? That I suggested to wait for the r580 and it came out less than 4 weeks from then, beating out the overpriced ghost card you're so proud of, or your suggesting that we should all wait for the g71, which is at least another 5-6 weeks away IF you assume the best case scenario?

actually, monkey, a win is a win. GTX is better at OpenGL / almost all resolution without HDR, while 1900 is better at HDR/AA. most sites don't compare more than 5 games, goto xlib and you'll see a comparison of 10+ games, GTX actually won in more games... when you compare, compare to all scenario is better than comparing them to only a selected few (shader intensive).

Yes , 7800 512 is overpriced.. consider the price of 1900

I believe in the reviews where the GTX 512mb won on numerous occasions, the X1900 was running on an Nforce4 SLI board. If you look at reviews such as Anantechs which is extensive, they use RD480 mobo's so its a much more accurate analysis of power.
In thesr reviews the X1900 stomps the GTX 512mb in pretty much all benchies.

Then you consider that the X1900 was actually made to run on the RD580 chipset which is due to be released in a week or two, as it runs MUCH better on this board (see Anandtech preview) its a whole new story again.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: beggerking
one of millions of forums speculating 48pipeline 1900
....

From the link to AT in that thread (first post)

The Silver Bullets presentation was a little light on details, but did confirm the R580 GPU has 48 pixel shader processors

!= pipelines

try again

Yet another link that provides no evidence to support his assertion, I swear if the spelling and grammar were just a little worse I would think this was Turtle reincarnated.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: nib95
If you look at reviews such as Anantechs which is extensive, they use RD480 mobo's so its a much more accurate analysis of power.

You're joking, right?

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: beggerking
one of millions of forums speculating 48pipeline 1900

I think Fear does use tons of shaders but doesn't product 3x performance...then the bottleneck is on software. Maybe softwares are not going to be ALL shader dependent as ATI expected it to be..? who knows, only time will tell, correct ? Joker?

but for now, we can say its currently software bottlenecked.

But in anyway, 1900 is a great card at an awesome price, perhaps on the par as 7800GT.

http://forums.tweakguides.com/showpost.php?p=12291&postcount=14

Even though that isn't really a credible video card website. Next time if you want to learn about vid. cards check out Beyond3D forums - most of the stuff they discuss might be over both our heads but there's a lot of good info. there.

Joker, I'm not trying to prove there are NO place speculated correctly what 1900 was going to be. I was trying to prove to you that your argument that NO WRONG SPECULATION on 1900 exists is incorrect and I have showed it to you with the forum.

Thanks. I do go there sometimes, as well as extremetech. I'm just a tech guy, read everything about all gadgets.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Can I ask why does anyone have to get Pwned? Why can't you be happy if either side came out with a crusher card? I wanted the X1900XTX to absolutely demolish anything in sight. But it hasn't and I was dissappointed. Good card, not a "Great" card like it was hyped to be. I like it when there is an incentive for the "opposing" side to improve.
However, the GPU wars are at much too fast of a pace for the market to continue to support it, I think. They will have to slow down sooner or later.

How was the R580 hyped to be a super card? Everyone knew for months in advance it would be a 48 pixel shader card with 16 ROPs, so what exactly were you expecting? Or are you just a little slow?

actually, it was hyped to be a 48pipeline card, then 1 or 2 weeks before launch, it became 48 pixel shader...

No. It was clear over at Beyond3d that the R530 would be more like the x1600 (16-1-3-1) rather than the x1800 (16-1-1-1). This was common knowledge even before the R520 launch.

what you think as "common" may not be as "common" to others. that is what a hype is, it is only speculations. no one know EXACTLY what was going to happen until it actually happened. forum differ one by one

Your fault for not checking out respectable forums for your video card info. The R580 being a 16-1-3-1 has been common knowledge for a very long time. Just not to you

 

[nib95]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: nib95
If you look at reviews such as Anantechs which is extensive, they use RD480 mobo's so its a much more accurate analysis of power.

You're joking, right?

No I'm not. They tested it on 7 different games and performed othe rtests too.
Plus they used the best Mobo's currently out for each card at the time.
Unlike many sites they did not partner their X1900 with an SLI mobo.
So it was better then most reviews.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking
but anyways, some people truly believed it would trouce GTX Sli in ALL benchmarks. Turned out to be a disappointment, an refresh rather than a great leap forward..,

In your mind perhaps, don't make generalizations. R580 has been hailed by most reviewers as a good product and the vast majority of people who actually have the card are happy with it.

So which is it a disappointment or a 'worth the wait' as you say a few posts later?

Ayabe, stop being an ATI fanboy who defend all ATI comments/ Crap all NV comments.

your ATIfanism confused you and made you miss the point. let me high light for you.

being a prick as you have proved you are, you are not welcome here.

I asked you to clarify, whether R580 is a disappointment or worth the wait, you contradicted yourself on the same page.

What point are you trying to highlight? Do you have a point? I don't see one.

Also, I'm still waiting for you to highlight my crapping of NV comments.

no. you misread my comment. I'm not Approving or Disapproving 1900.

I'm approving/disapproving hype vs 1900.

get it now?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: beggerking
one of millions of forums speculating 48pipeline 1900

I think Fear does use tons of shaders but doesn't product 3x performance...then the bottleneck is on software. Maybe softwares are not going to be ALL shader dependent as ATI expected it to be..? who knows, only time will tell, correct ? Joker?

but for now, we can say its currently software bottlenecked.

But in anyway, 1900 is a great card at an awesome price, perhaps on the par as 7800GT.

http://forums.tweakguides.com/showpost.php?p=12291&postcount=14

Even though that isn't really a credible video card website. Next time if you want to learn about vid. cards check out Beyond3D forums - most of the stuff they discuss might be over both our heads but there's a lot of good info. there.

Joker, I'm not trying to prove there are NO place speculated correct what 1900 was going to be. I was trying to prove to you that your argument that NO WRONG SPECULATION on 1900 exists is incorrect and I have showed it to you with the forum.

Thanks. I do go there sometimes, as well as extremetech. I'm just a tech guy, read everything about all gadgets.

Did you look at the link I posted above? It's in the same thread you posted - the guy corrected the OP. No credible website ever speculated on it being 48 piplines AFAIK.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Sad, sad, little monkey. I have also posted benches from Tech Report and X-bit, but the whole world is biased against your shattered view of reality I suppose.

And yet you still post sh!t like "the gtx512 is on par with the x1900" when all those sites have concluded otherwise. Ignorance is bliss, isnt it?

I have never said anything about G71's specs other than it will be faster than the current cards. I don't know how many pipes it will have, what clock it will run at etc. So don't make up sh!t to try and cover your failures.

Which failures would those be? That I suggested to wait for the r580 and it came out less than 4 weeks from then, beating out the overpriced ghost card you're so proud of, or your suggesting that we should all wait for the g71, which is at least another 5-6 weeks away IF you assume the best case scenario?

actually, monkey, a win is a win. GTX is better at OpenGL / almost all resolution without HDR, while 1900 is better at HDR/AA. most sites don't compare more than 5 games, goto xlib and you'll see a comparison of 10+ games, GTX actually won in more games... when you compare, compare to all scenario is better than comparing them to only a selected few (shader intensive).

Yes , 7800 512 is overpriced.. consider the price of 1900

I believe in the reviews where the GTX 512mb won on numerous occasions, the X1900 was running on an Nforce4 SLI board. If you look at reviews such as Anantechs which is extensive, they use RD480 mobo's so its a much more accurate analysis of power.
In thesr reviews the X1900 stomps the GTX 512mb in pretty much all benchies.

Then you consider that the X1900 was actually made to run on the RD580 chipset which is due to be released in a week or two, as it runs MUCH better on this board (see Anandtech preview) its a whole new story again.

if a videocard is so chipset specific that it would affect its performance, then there has to be something wrong with its design and I would consider it a flaw. I don't consider 1900 flawed therefore I would rate all reviews same and fair. AT review doesn't do test on so many games.

I'm sure the new board won't improve "single card performance". It might improve "crossfire " though.