Agreed, there is no way it's coming out in April that would make no sense. I doubt there will be any DX10 games coming out until Q1/Q2 of '07 at the earliest, especially with Vista now possibly being pushed back - http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29368
Agreed, there is no way it's coming out in April that would make no sense. I doubt there will be any DX10 games coming out until Q1/Q2 of '07 at the earliest, especially with Vista now possibly being pushed back - http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29368
^^^ Says the guy who traded in a 9700p for a 5800u, and recommended buying a gtx512 instead of a x1900.
Look what I found:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=8&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
Every one of yor posts reeks of fanboyism and ignorance. Keep digging, cause it's not too hard to find more BS from your posts.
LOL. Then remind me to pwn wreakage when the g71 turns out to be less than a 32 pipe 700mhz killer card he's hoping it will be.
Originally posted by: Alaa
SEEMS that munky is praying for the g71 to be less than 32 pipes
AM I now ???? :evil:
Or maybe I just happen to know some stuff you dont know ????
Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: Alaa
SEEMS that munky is praying for the g71 to be less than 32 pipes
AM I now ???? :evil:
Or maybe I just happen to know some stuff you dont know ????
i dont think so
Since you asked, I'll tell you:
Back in late december I already knew Ati will be launching the r580 next month, I knew what the specs would be (48 PS), and I also knew it wouldnt be too hard to undercut the street prices on the gtx512 ghost edition.
Based on the events of the past year that I already mentioned in numerous other threads, I have a suspicion things are going less that rosy for the Nv's g71 development, and I find it highly unlikely we'll be seeing a 32 pipe 700+mhz g71 with mass availability on March 8th. If I'm wrong, you can quote me and say I got pwnd, but if I'm right... certain other individuals will be getting quoted in about 5 weeks.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Alaa
SEEMS that munky is praying for the g71 to be less than 32 pipes
It's a sick thing isn't it?
Some people have pride in the house they built with their own two hands, others the work they do at thier job, and yet others the family they have helped raise. However there are some who take pride in a video card that sells for 4-500 bucks. Some may even call it an infatuation
Keysplayr
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Can I ask why does anyone have to get Pwned? Why can't you be happy if either side came out with a crusher card? I wanted the X1900XTX to absolutely demolish anything in sight. But it hasn't and I was dissappointed. Good card, not a "Great" card like it was hyped to be. I like it when there is an incentive for the "opposing" side to improve.
However, the GPU wars are at much too fast of a pace for the market to continue to support it, I think. They will have to slow down sooner or later.
Dont you think it's at least a little interesting what the performance delta in FEAR is? If 3 years ago people saw the benches of a 9700p vs a ti4600 in quake3 at 10x7 0x0x, they may also walk away saying the 9700p was not nearly what it was hyped up to be. Few cards if any ever live up to the hype, but it's not just the cards that are evolving, the gaming industry is moving forward also.
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Yes it is interesting, but isn't AOEIII a very shader heavy game as well? Correct me if I'm wrong. Besides, if shader power is going to be the new hype, so be it. I believe the G71 will have 32 up from 24 shader units. So if FEAR is only dependant on shader power, the G71 will close the gap on the lead the X1900XTX currently has. And if FEAR benefits from more pipelines as well, well there ya go.
Not to mention the even more graphics intensive B&W2, a game ATi sponsored but we can assume that title isn't quite the same as HL2. You could also point to Quake4. Between the three of them they represent the different trends in PC graphics, and they don't seem to quite indicate the path is as clear as some people like to try and make it out to be. There wildly divergent performance characteristics seem to indicate that balance is still going to be an important element, even though we will need a dramatic increase in computational ability to deal with decent shaders when they appear at some point a few years from now.
Which is the one thing that makes me think perhaps nV or ATi will release their DX10 parts ASAP. With nV in particular their choice not to move to a unified shader architecture at the hardware level will make legacy support fairly simplistic. Given all of the enormous mindshare ATi was able to gain releasing the R300 very early it does stand to reason that one of the big two may try and replicate that.
Just not in the direction of PC gaming at the moment. With the current erosion of marketshare PC games are likely to increasingly rely on ports from the consoles- this doesn't indicate a decisive advantage for either ATi or nV, but rather it could very well come down to each having a considerable advantage in a selection of top titles. Those that are PS3 native will benefit nV's PC parts while those whose home is on the XB360 will do team red proud.
Ronin
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Here's my question for those that seem to find it amazing that nVIDIA can launch the G71 and the G80 within a couple months of each other.
Is it so hard to believe that if ATi can do the R520 and the R580 in simultaneous development, that nVIDIA can't do the same? I'd even go one step further in saying that they've been working on their pipe expansion for some time now (likely with the lull between the 7800GTX and the X1800 launch).
Anyone NOT expecting to see 32 pipes with the G71 will be sorely disappointed at the launch of the G71, I'm afraid. nVIDIA isn't going to release another high end 24 pipe card (it wouldn't make a bit of sense if they did).
Is it so hard to believe that if ATi can do the R520 and the R580 in simultaneous development, that nVIDIA can't do the same? I'd even go one step further in saying that they've been working on their pipe expansion for some time now (likely with the lull between the 7800GTX and the X1800 launch).
Anyone NOT expecting to see 32 pipes with the G71 will be sorely disappointed at the launch of the G71, I'm afraid. nVIDIA isn't going to release another high end 24 pipe card (it wouldn't make a bit of sense if they did).
All those AOE3 benches you saw with NV winning were done without HDR. The fact that NV cant cant do HDR+MSAA should have already hinted that HDR was not enabled. This article tests it both ways, and as you can see, NV wins without HDR, but loses with HDR, and they're lucky thay can run it at all with HDR+AA, because the devs coded SSAA in the game engine, but the performance is cut in half. Otherwise there would have been big fat 0's in the bottom half of that chart.
5150Joker
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How was the R580 hyped to be a super card? Everyone knew for months in advance it would be a 48 pixel shader card with 16 ROPs, so what exactly were you expecting? Or are you just a little slow?
Agreed. I'm sure G71 will be a great leap from 7800 since NV had about 1 whole year to work on it..
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