More protests getting out of hand in Berkeley

[Blue_Max]

So, if I call fully self admitted white supremacists (as were the creators of the fascist racist demonstration) racists, that makes me a racist?

You got any other info on the guy other than a leftist protester poster made up just like they did for Milo (and any other speaker they don't like.)

I need more proof than progressive propaganda sheets which are... biased. *cough* [understatement of the decade]

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Good write-up by Esquire: The Berkeley fights were not Trump supporters vs. Trump protestors, they were white supremacists and fascists vs. antifascists. That's how it was planned an promoted from the beginning.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politic...-berkeley-werent-pro-trump-versus-anti-trump/

How do they define "far right"? They put Milo under that label but he's far from a neo-Nazi, and he was holding a scheduled talk, not a riot. Also neglects many other speakers that ANTIFA & friends have tried to shut down, e.g. Ben Shapiro, Ann Coulter, or that Canadian prof. Basically, "If I disagree with you, you're literally Hitler". Of course, they don't want to mention that communist revolutionaries are just as violent and dangerous as Hitler's brownshirts were.

Do you suffer from white guilt? im curious of where your outrage is with racist groups like La Raza where the founder is wanting to kick all whites out of california and make it a 100% latino state...

Amused is a virtue signalling hack. His dad is an extremely wealthy millionaire and he inherited plenty of cash himself to buy a few franchise restaurants, live off the proceeds, and talk about the wonders of capitalism, low taxes, and libertarianism. All the while, he spams political internet memes and and feel-good articles in order to sate his rich, white guilt and perhaps get along with his wealthy liberal friends. Sometimes, his roidrage causes him to spaz out and go on emotional incoherent rants. One of the biggest fakes on this forum.

 

[WelshBloke]

How do they define "far right"? They put Milo under that label but he's far from a neo-Nazi, and he was holding a scheduled talk, not a riot. Also neglects many other speakers that ANTIFA & friends have tried to shut down, e.g. Ben Shapiro, Ann Coulter, or that Canadian prof. Basically, "If I disagree with you, you're literally Hitler". Of course, they don't want to mention that communist revolutionaries are just as violent and dangerous as Hitler's brownshirts were.

So antifa are a one trick pony? That's what they are supposed to be. Their only purpose is to combat the hard right. Complaining that they aren't tackling the hard left is a bit weird.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So antifa are a one trick pony? That's what they are supposed to be. There only purpose is to combat the hard right. Complaining that they aren't tackling the hard left is a bit weird.

That's not my point. The article states that ANTIFA only attacks fascists/neo-Nazis, but even it admits that the first Berkeley-related protest/riot was in response to Milo, someone who may be offensive, a troll, a sexist, and a closeted NAMBLA member, but not a neo-Nazi. They then neglect to mention many other non-Nazi events that have been shut down by ANTIFA types. They're sugarcoating what ANTIFA is about, which is the suppression of disagreeable political speech using intimidation and violence.

 

[Amused]

You got any other info on the guy other than a leftist protester poster made up just like they did for Milo (and any other speaker they don't like.)

I need more proof than progressive propaganda sheets which are... biased. *cough* [understatement of the decade]

I suspect no amount of proof will be enough for you but...

http://www.esquire.com/news-politic...-berkeley-werent-pro-trump-versus-anti-trump/

https://www.google.com/search?q=Nat...go&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-nathan-damigo-stanislaus-state-20170417-story.html

 

[WelshBloke]

That's not my point. The article states that ANTIFA only attacks fascists/neo-Nazis, but even it admits that the first Berkeley-related protest/riot was in response to Milo, someone who may be offensive, a troll, a sexist, and a closeted NAMBLA member, but not a neo-Nazi. They then neglect to mention many other non-Nazi events that have been shut down by ANTIFA types. They're sugarcoating what ANTIFA is about, which is the suppression of disagreeable political speech using intimidation and violence.

Ah. Misunderstood you there.

On clarification I think that you're just quibbling about what constituents the far right. You might find Milo more charismatic but look at the people on the street that have come out in support of him. There's a fair amount of plausible denial going on but it's becoming pretty clear who supports who.

 

[Amused]

Ah. Misunderstood you there.

On clarification I think that you're just quibbling about what constituents the far right. You might find Milo more charismatic but look at the people on the street that have come out in support of him. There's a fair amount of plausible denial going on but it's becoming pretty clear who supports who.

Yeah, speaking of that, here Mr Fascist himself at the Milo thing:

Identity Evropa Founder speaks too CNN outside Cal Berkley regarding activism for his group at Milo Yiannopoulos controversial visit, during which a full scale riot shut down his speaking engagement.

 

[zinfamous]

Trump trash has given up on their own states and is looking to fix California now?

They are tired of their shitty miserable lives being so confined. They want everyone else to know how shitty and miserable it is to be them. With any luck, every state can be a welfare queen like all the Trump states.

 

[Amused]

https://www.dailystormer.com/tag/nathan-damigo/

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Ah. Misunderstood you there.

On clarification I think that you're just quibbling about what constituents the far right. You might find Milo more charismatic but look at the people on the street that have come out in support of him. There's a fair amount of plausible denial going on but it's becoming pretty clear who supports who.

Yeah, speaking of that, here Mr Fascist himself at the Milo thing:

Identity Evropa Founder speaks too CNN outside Cal Berkley regarding activism for his group at Milo Yiannopoulos controversial visit, during which a full scale riot shut down his speaking engagement.

White supremacists generally supported Ron Paul in 2008, who is by most measures a hardcore libertarian idealist (though I'll admit there was some scandal about racist newsletters from Paul years earlier). They're a politically flexible bunch as long they see an opportunity to further their one core belief. The Nation of Islam also backed Obama in 2008; that doesn't make Obama or his supporters black supremacists/separatists. Kind of meaningless to attack a person just because someone you don't like supported that person.

 

[WelshBloke]

White supremacists generally supported Ron Paul in 2008. They're a politically flexible bunch as long they see an opportunity to further their one core belief. The Nation of Islam also backed Obama in 2008; that doesn't make Obama or his supporters black supremacists/separatists. Kind of meaningless to attack a person just because someone you don't like supported that person.

That's kinda a weaselly argument.

Because A is like B that means that C is like D.

 

[Amused]

That's kinda a weaselly argument.

Because A is like B that means that C is like D.

Gotta agree. Weak sauce.

 

[desura]

There is a difference. Unlike white people, black and Latino people are minorities in the US. And when they talk about preserving their identity, they don't mean it in the way Spencer does. They just mean supporting and celebrating their cultures, while Spencer's notion of preserving identity means eliminating the presences of any other identities.

Think of it as different approaches to completing a marathon. The minorities' approach gives runners the training and encouragement they need to succeed, and doesn't hurt any fellow runners; Spencer's approach is to ban all the other runners so that he's the only one left.

Black identity is problematic. It is problematic because it exists as an oppressed minority identity. If you think about it, starting from scratch and knowing what we know now, would anyone really advocate importing black slaves to the Americas? The costs of having to deal with the former slave population has been enormous and difficult. Ideally the goal should be assimilation of identities, and not perpetuating any divides or conflicts, or continuing grievances. No parent should want his or her unhappiness passed onto the next generation.

I don't see anywhere where Spencer talks about banning black or Latino culture. He works more to built up a normal sense of esteem and rightness, and against perpetual self-destructive guilt-mongering.

 

[WelshBloke]

If you think about it, starting from scratch and knowing what we know now, would anyone really advocate importing black slaves to the Americas?

Ummm.

You might want to think about that question again? Rephrase maybe?

 

[Amused]

Black identity is problematic. It is problematic because it exists as an oppressed minority identity. If you think about it, starting from scratch and knowing what we know now, would anyone really advocate importing black slaves to the Americas? The costs of having to deal with the former slave population has been enormous and difficult. Ideally the goal should be assimilation of identities, and not perpetuating any divides or conflicts, or continuing grievances. No parent should want his or her unhappiness passed onto the next generation.

I don't see anywhere where Spencer talks about banning black or Latino culture. He works more to built up a normal sense of esteem and rightness, and against perpetual self-destructive guilt-mongering.

Following are some quotes from Spencer’s latest speech at Texas A&M:

• “At the end of the day, America belongs to white men.”
• “You’re part of a bigger extended family, and that race has a story to tell. It’s a people and a blood and a place on the map.”
• “Whether it was nice or not, and I’m not going to deny there was a lot of brutality that went along with it, we won,” Spencer reportedly said about civilizations built by Europeans, which according to him are eventually put in danger when their fundamental racial identity is lost.
• “Race is real. Race matters. Race is the foundation of identity.”
• “Trump was the first step toward white identity politics in the United States. He is not going to be the last. The alt-right is a new beginning.”

More here:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/richard-bertrand-spencer-0

 

[HamburgerBoy]

That's kinda a weaselly argument.

Because A is like B that means that C is like D.

Elaborate. Milo and Ron Paul both consider themselves libertarian afaik, although I'll admit Milo plays into Islamophobia a fair amount (something many Republicans do btw). Fundamentally, you're saying that if A supports B and A is an explicitly bad thing, B is responsible for the support of A, right?

And yeah desura stop trying to defend Richard Spencer, he may be a handsome enough fellow but he's basically the new David Duke. A dumb, openly-admitting white supremacist that bandwagons onto anything he can find if it further his goals just an inch. He'd more more successful if he just played a clean-cut "moderate" Republican like the average Rep supporting the war on drugs does, but because he's stupid he just states his goal outright without any plausible deniability.

 

[Blackjack200]

How do they define "far right"? They put Milo under that label but he's far from a neo-Nazi, and he was holding a scheduled talk, not a riot. Also neglects many other speakers that ANTIFA & friends have tried to shut down, e.g. Ben Shapiro, Ann Coulter, or that Canadian prof. Basically, "If I disagree with you, you're literally Hitler". Of course, they don't want to mention that communist revolutionaries are just as violent and dangerous as Hitler's brownshirts were.

Milo is a white supremacist - http://www.loonwatch.com/2017/02/milo-yiannopoulos-the-tender-hatemonger/

The point of the article was not to defend everything the antifa does or has done. The point of the article was that the narrative that this was Trump supporters vs. protestors was not accurate.

 

[WelshBloke]

Elaborate. Milo and Ron Paul both consider themselves libertarian afaik, although I'll admit Milo plays into Islamophobia a fair amount (something many Republicans do btw). Fundamentally, you're saying that if A supports B and A is an explicitly bad thing, B is responsible for the support of A, right?

I guess that I'm saying that there's a movement on the right and Milo and the hard right are both part of it. If Milo wants to come out and honestly distance himself from those elements nothings stopping him.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Milo is a white supremacist - http://www.loonwatch.com/2017/02/milo-yiannopoulos-the-tender-hatemonger/

The point of the article was not to defend everything the antifa does or has done. The point of the article was that the narrative that this was Trump supporters vs. protestors was not accurate.

Nothing he says there is incompatible with what Trump said on the campaign trail. Milo is a Trump supporter, and Trump supporters are mostly afraid of Muslims.

I guess that I'm saying that there's a movement on the right and Milo and the hard right are both part of it. If Milo wants to come out and honestly distance himself from those elements nothings stopping him.

Ben Shapiro, certainly extremely right-wing but more of a Ted Cruz than a Donald Trump type, distanced himself pretty strongly from it (resigned from Breitbart, attacked Trump most of the campaign, openly called out the alt-right and others as trolls, racists, etc) but it doesn't keep people from shutting down his events.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You got any other info on the guy other than a leftist protester poster made up just like they did for Milo (and any other speaker they don't like.)

I need more proof than progressive propaganda sheets which are... biased. *cough* [understatement of the decade]

lol, like you're willing to concede any point. fucking joke, poutine boy.
and the fact you think you're clever by implying progressive sources are biased yet your propaganda is pure and factual, eeesh... seek help maxi, the world isn't a bleak, horrid place for white males, it really isn't.

 

[WelshBloke]

Ben Shapiro, certainly extremely right-wing but more of a Ted Cruz than a Donald Trump type, distanced himself pretty strongly from it (resigned from Breitbart, attacked Trump most of the campaign, openly called out the alt-right and others as trolls, racists, etc) but it doesn't keep people from shutting down his events.

Wasn't it more the alt-right distancing themselves from him?

"Shapiro...has increasingly found himself targeted by the so-called alt-right movement, a loose conglomeration of online personalities — many if not most of them anonymous — currently devoted to tweeting and posting their support for Donald Trump and attacking those who disagree, often in racist and anti-Semitic ways. They have been denigrating Shapiro as a 'pussy', a 'cuck', and a beloved patriot'."

But was it antifa shutting down his stuff?

 

[Blue_Max]

Even the Simpsons is finally spoofing you Progressive nutjobs.

Until I can review the material, I'll just assume you're right and the one puncher is some sort of KKK asshole.

One. Singular. Not the whole crowd, or even a significant portion of it.

 

[Amused]

Even the Simpsons is finally spoofing you Progressive nutjobs.

Until I can review the material, I'll just assume you're right and the one puncher is some sort of KKK asshole.

One. Singular. Not the whole crowd, or even a significant portion of it.

FFS, multiple articles have been posted showing it was organized by white supremacists for white supremacists as a pro-fascist protest.

It was literally a pro-fascist vs anti-fascist protest. Literally.

 

[WelshBloke]

Until I can review the material, I'll just assume you're right and the one puncher is some sort of KKK asshole.

One. Singular. Not the whole crowd, or even a significant portion of it.

Lol. Too lame.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Even the Simpsons is finally spoofing you Progressive nutjobs.

Until I can review the material, I'll just assume you're right and the one puncher is some sort of KKK asshole.

One. Singular. Not the whole crowd, or even a significant portion of it.

um...

They've been mocking the ultra PC crowd for a while now, derpy mcderperson.