More protests getting out of hand in Berkeley

[HamburgerBoy]

Wasn't it more the alt-right distancing themselves from him?

"Shapiro...has increasingly found himself targeted by the so-called alt-right movement, a loose conglomeration of online personalities — many if not most of them anonymous — currently devoted to tweeting and posting their support for Donald Trump and attacking those who disagree, often in racist and anti-Semitic ways. They have been denigrating Shapiro as a 'pussy', a 'brilliant gentleman', and a beloved patriot'."

But was it antifa shutting down his stuff?

The alt-right dislikes Shapiro, but they aren't the ones shutting him down. They email him anti-Semitic Pepes instead.

I don't think ANTIFA themselves have shut down Shapiro's events, but those doing so are are universally left-wing.

Even the Simpsons is finally spoofing you Progressive nutjobs.

Until I can review the material, I'll just assume you're right and the one puncher is some sort of KKK asshole.

One. Singular. Not the whole crowd, or even a significant portion of it.

There are several photos showing several people making heil Hitler gestures, videos of people throwing bagels as part of an anti-Soros slur, etc. It's more than one person. Further, you shouldn't kid yourself, there are now plenty of pro-Trump and/or pro-fascist protesters adopting ANTIFA's tactics of masks, weapons, vandalism, threats, assaults, and general suppression of speech. It's ultimately a breakdown of political dialogue and a masturbating of suppressed tribalistic urges. We need to bring back dueling, allow some venture capitalist to create a Thunderdome arena dealio, and let them kill each other separate from those wanting to engage in non-violent protest.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The alt-right dislikes Shapiro, but they aren't the ones shutting him down. They email him anti-Semitic Pepes instead.

I don't think ANTIFA themselves have shut down Shapiro's events, but those doing so are are universally left-wing.



There are several photos showing several people making heil Hitler gestures, videos of people throwing bagels as part of an anti-Soros slur, etc. It's more than one person. Further, you shouldn't kid yourself, there are now plenty of pro-Trump and/or pro-fascist protesters adopting ANTIFA's tactics of masks, weapons, vandalism, threats, assaults, and general suppression of speech. It's ultimately a breakdown of political dialogue and a masturbating of suppressed tribalistic urges. We need to bring back dueling, allow some venture capitalist to create a Thunderdome arena dealio, and let them kill each other separate from those wanting to engage in non-violent protest.

goddamn man, you're calling for violence and punishment all over the place, what the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[brycejones]

um...

They've been mocking the ultra PC crowd for a while now, derpy mcderperson.

Maxipad was still running down mommy's leg when that movie came out.

 

[WelshBloke]

The alt-right dislikes Shapiro, but they aren't the ones shutting him down. They email him anti-Semitic Pepes instead.

I don't think ANTIFA themselves have shut down Shapiro's events, but those doing so are are universally left-wing.

I have to be honest, I'm not sure what you're arguing now.

Anyway I'm turning in for the night, gratz for keeping the discussion fairly polite though.

 

[Thebobo]

Maxipad was still running down mommy's leg when that movie came out.

Its an awesome satirical movie I love the part when gutter has a nightmare about going up against congress for smoking the weed.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

goddamn man, you're calling for violence and punishment all over the place, what the fuck is wrong with you?

I support violence and punishment for violent criminals. I don't support it for feefee-hurters. I don't see any contradiction; do you have examples where I've advocated violence against people I simply disagree with? I mean I've probably made tongue-in-cheek comments about nuking commies in the past, but outside of things like that, I don't believe I have.

 

[Commodus]

Black identity is problematic. It is problematic because it exists as an oppressed minority identity. If you think about it, starting from scratch and knowing what we know now, would anyone really advocate importing black slaves to the Americas? The costs of having to deal with the former slave population has been enormous and difficult. Ideally the goal should be assimilation of identities, and not perpetuating any divides or conflicts, or continuing grievances. No parent should want his or her unhappiness passed onto the next generation.

I don't see anywhere where Spencer talks about banning black or Latino culture. He works more to built up a normal sense of esteem and rightness, and against perpetual self-destructive guilt-mongering.

If you're a white nationalist, that means you don't want to allow any other cultures. Ergo, it's a ban. Also, why do you keep trying to normalize his racism?

 

[desura]

If you're a white nationalist, that means you don't want to allow any other cultures. Ergo, it's a ban. Also, why do you keep trying to normalize his racism?

I explained earlier that his activism does touch upon a real emotional sentiment that exists within the majority of the country and it needs to be taken into account. Too often decision-makers operate by sweeping generalities which are divorced from reality.

So for example, this notion that America is a nation of immigrants is used as a basis to shut down discussion on a sensible policy of immigration. But if you understand America differently, as starting from the English settlers who migrated here and expressed their values through the laws, then the fundamental rightness of certain policies changes.

The blanket term racism also results in cognitive gaps. Too many people are so obsessed with societal perfection that they want to upend normal working systems in pursuit of perfect equality.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I explained earlier that his activism does touch upon a real emotional sentiment that exists within the majority of the country and it needs to be taken into account. Too often decision-makers operate by sweeping generalities which are divorced from reality.

So for example, this notion that America is a nation of immigrants is used as a basis to shut down discussion on a sensible policy of immigration. But if you understand America differently, as starting from the English settlers who migrated here and expressed their values through the laws, then the fundamental rightness of certain policies changes.

The blanket term racism also results in cognitive gaps. Too many people are so obsessed with societal perfection that they want to upend normal working systems in pursuit of perfect equality.

Everyone that thinks about the issue of immigration seriously probably takes the emotional sentiment of white nationalism into account, no matter their specific stance. Acknowledging its existence and working out plans to deal with it doesn't necessarily require being a proponent for white nationalism, however, which is what Richard Spencer is.

 

[desura]

Everyone that thinks about the issue of immigration seriously probably takes the emotional sentiment of white nationalism into account, no matter their specific stance. Acknowledging its existence and working out plans to deal with it doesn't necessarily require being a proponent for white nationalism, however, which is what Richard Spencer is.

Spencer's nationalism is kind of theoretical, on the same level as staking a position on when a fetus is considered alive.

I have watched my share of MSNBC and there definitely is a segment of media and political elites who act like the demographic change happening in America is a good thing which redeems the sins of the past. Spencer's advocacy is in saying that the fundamental society built by Europeans and fundamentally shaped by Europeans is worthwhile and should be cherished and not so pithily discarded.

 

[Jhhnn]

I explained earlier that his activism does touch upon a real emotional sentiment that exists within the majority of the country and it needs to be taken into account.

Except that it doesn't exist in a majority of the Country. If it did, we'd all be living with Jim Crow instead of a minority yearning for the good old days when a straight white male could really enjoy the privilege. Living without it is scary for a lot of 'em-

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-trump-supporters-fear-minority/story?id=43229203

What is it that makes some of my fellow white people think that we're so special, anyway?

 

[agent00f]

Spencer's nationalism is kind of theoretical, on the same level as staking a position on when a fetus is considered alive.

I have watched my share of MSNBC and there definitely is a segment of media and political elites who act like the demographic change happening in America is a good thing which redeems the sins of the past. Spencer's advocacy is in saying that the fundamental society built by Europeans and fundamentally shaped by Europeans is worthwhile and should be cherished and not so pithily discarded.

The students of western liberalism behind those societies wouldn't exactly categorize themselves with Spencer/Trumpster/you types, even if the latter are desperate to take credit for something they've only historically fought, as degenerates are wont to do.

 

[UglyCasanova]

degenerates

Take your dog whistle elsewhere.

 

[agent00f]

Take your dog whistle elsewhere.

Dog whistling implies it's not repeatedly made explicit that conservatives are degenerate, but in fairness nobody expects degenerates to understand much of anything.

 

[Jhhnn]

Spencer's nationalism is kind of theoretical, on the same level as staking a position on when a fetus is considered alive.

I have watched my share of MSNBC and there definitely is a segment of media and political elites who act like the demographic change happening in America is a good thing which redeems the sins of the past. Spencer's advocacy is in saying that the fundamental society built by Europeans and fundamentally shaped by Europeans is worthwhile and should be cherished and not so pithily discarded.

It's not about redeeming the sins of the past at all. It's about accepting this-

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Which obviously didn't prevent race based slavery or hatred towards every immigrant group among the insular know-nothings. They've historically hated the Irish, Poles, Scandinavians, Italians, Jews, Chinese & everybody else who wasn't them.

The Founders sometimes said more than they knew or even what some of them actually believed but that doesn't change the underlying truth of the matter.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Damn just realized you were a join in 99 user

 

[jackstar7]

So was it addressed that one group set out to start violence at Berkeley, including organizing and planning weapons and such? Or should I assume that the "counter-point" both sides do it was immediately and liberally espoused?

 

[FelixDeCat]

 

[FelixDeCat]

Even the Simpsons is finally spoofing you Progressive nutjobs.

Until I can review the material, I'll just assume you're right and the one puncher is some sort of KKK asshole.

One. Singular. Not the whole crowd, or even a significant portion of it.

I can only give you one MANLY like. Hope it was everything you wished for.

 

[0roo0roo]

The alt-right dislikes Shapiro, but they aren't the ones shutting him down. They email him anti-Semitic Pepes instead.

I don't think ANTIFA themselves have shut down Shapiro's events, but those doing so are are universally left-wing.



There are several photos showing several people making heil Hitler gestures, videos of people throwing bagels as part of an anti-Soros slur, etc. It's more than one person. Further, you shouldn't kid yourself, there are now plenty of pro-Trump and/or pro-fascist protesters adopting ANTIFA's tactics of masks, weapons, vandalism, threats, assaults, and general suppression of speech. It's ultimately a breakdown of political dialogue and a masturbating of suppressed tribalistic urges. We need to bring back dueling, allow some venture capitalist to create a Thunderdome arena dealio, and let them kill each other separate from those wanting to engage in non-violent protest.

Shapiro incidents

and they did no platform him
https://heatst.com/culture-wars/exc...ter-liberal-students-compared-him-to-the-kkk/
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/289999-depaul-cancels-conservatives-speech




Turns out the antifa girl was up to no good, beyond the whole punch incident

I mean really, who carries a glass bottle around these days.

http://theralphretort.com/nathan-da...lass-bottles-as-weapons-before-punch-4017017/

Good write-up by Esquire: The Berkeley fights were not Trump supporters vs. Trump protestors, they were white supremacists and fascists vs. antifascists. That's how it was planned an promoted from the beginning.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politic...-berkeley-werent-pro-trump-versus-anti-trump/

ah, "esquire", the "either you are with Hillary, or you are suspect"mag
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/ana...brities-who-havent-joined-anti-trump-hate-mob

 

[Blue_Max]

Whoopsie-doodle... looks like the "innocent nice-girl protester" angle doesn't pan out so well anymore...

Everyone should watch the Pepsi guy again. Not only was it freakin' hilarious, it gave an excellent example of what the battle lines were really like.
You'll note our lefties don't want to go there... too hard to maintain an illusion with the ugly truth staring you in the face.

 

[Thebobo]

who cares about silly "battle lines" it was a little freaking fight not the end of the world.

 

[brycejones]

who cares about silly "battle lines" it was a little freaking fight not the end of the world.

Fascism and the alt-right are the good guys for underoos and maxipad and always the victims. Anyone opposed to putting the minorities and the womens in their place is to be feared and make you tube videos about.

 

[Meghan54]

Fascism and the alt-right are the good guys for underoos and maxipad and always the victims. Anyone opposed to putting the minorities and the womens in their place is to be feared and make you tube videos about.

Yeah.....those youtube videos. They're so.....so.....how does one say not based on any observable reality that functioning, rational humans operate within?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

a rare image of maxi, underoos, et al meeting to discuss their persecuted ways