More protests getting out of hand in Berkeley

[brycejones]

Hating communists, socialists, and fascists means I hate America? Defending/supporting long-standing laws and the constitution of the country makes me a hater? Not sure I follow this logic either.

Well let's see you want anti fascists disarmed and fascists and white supremacists armed. Sounds like you really do like fascists or white supremacists (maybe both) after all. If you like fascists you really hate the ideals of America ergo you hate America.

So again why do you hate America?

 

[Blue_Max]

Sure it is. There's literally hundreds of millions of Muslims who want nothing more than to live their lives.

Yes, they may want to and will... until forced to do otherwise. Why? Because the doctrines and their prophet mandate it. Read it in the q-book for yourself. When the group mandates its members to follow the doctrines, they have the awful choice of doing so or defying the entire group (and their own family) and risk punishment or death.

@AnonymouseUser: don't get the wrong impression here. I am not on your or Maxi-pad's side here. You're both crazier than a shithouse rat--each, not "half as crazy as said rat per person"--on an entire sheet of brown blotter acid.

...says the person who claimed to have seen afterlife-hell firsthand and is certain it's real.

Unlike the local SJW's, I don't believe what I'm told, I believe what I see. This is probably why you lot completely refuse to watch any vids (and your fellows shut down public events) with potentially-conflicting viewpoints.

Like a cult, no other thoughts or opinions are allowed.

You champion diversity, so long as they think the same.

 

[Blue_Max]

Ah yes. Bill Warner, the creator of Political Islam, one of the most racist, islamiphobic websites on the web. Such a lying, racist he has his own page detailing him on the SPLC. He's so virulently anti-islamic even Jews are offending by his one man hate propaganda crusade.

Maybe you should check your sources...

Ahhh... the SPLC, the same far-left nutjobs who consider Pepe the frog a hate symbol.
yyyyyyeah, I'm gonna' stick to provable facts instead.

Oh, and: http://www.dailywire.com/news/8967/7-things-you-need-know-about-southern-poverty-law-aaron-bandler#

 

[Vic]

Hating communists, socialists, and fascists means I hate America? Defending/supporting long-standing laws and the constitution of the country makes me a hater? Not sure I follow this logic either.

Isn't freedom of religion one of our longest standing laws and a fundamental part of the Constitution? Hmm.. maybe it's your logic that's faulty?

 

[brycejones]

I believe what I see in you tube videos exclusively.

Like a cult, no other thoughts or opinions are allowed.
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Ftfy

The irony of the second statement coming from you is very humorous.

 

[Vic]

Yes, they may want to and will... until forced to do otherwise. Why? Because the doctrines and their prophet mandate it. Read it in the q-book for yourself. When the group mandates its members to follow the doctrines, they have the awful choice of doing so or defying the entire group (and their own family) and risk punishment or death.


...says the person who claimed to have seen afterlife-hell firsthand and is certain it's real.

Unlike the local SJW's, I don't believe what I'm told, I believe what I see. This is probably why you lot completely refuse to watch any vids (and your fellows shut down public events) with potentially-conflicting viewpoints.

Like a cult, no other thoughts or opinions are allowed.

You champion diversity, so long as they think the same.

Your problem is that, like with many mentally ill persons, what you see isn't real. Particularly with your broadbrushed paranoia, your confusion lies in mistaking people's disgust for you as a person as an assault on some fantasy political or cultural team that you believe you belong to.

 

[desura]

Biggest irony to me is that the people who claim to love Muslims the most are also the people who support actions killing Muslims the most.

The isolationists don't want to kill Muslims and don't want to let them in either, which at least is consistent.

Biggest problem with washington is that as with any bureaucracy, it is self-justifying. So they do actions, killing with one hand and welcoming with another, which coincidentally justify higher security budgets.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Well let's see you want anti fascists disarmed and fascists and white supremacists armed.

No I do not. I know it's a difficult concept for some, so let me explain: I merely flipped the script to show the fault in the argument. Side A (Antifa) wants to bring guns to a protest where Side USA is not bringing guns.

 

[brycejones]

No I do not. I know it's a difficult concept for some, so let me explain: I merely flipped the script to show the fault in the argument. Side A (Antifa) wants to bring guns to a protest where Side USA is not bringing guns.

You can try to back track all you want. It's sad that you aren't really brave enough to own your positions.

 

[desura]

You do realize you're devolving into a cartoonish fantasy, right? As if the only reason Muslims aren't killing every non-Muslim in sight is because they're suppressing key parts of their faith, and the moment they let it take over they have to go on a murderous rampage?

Also, it's fairly well established that some ISIS members have signed up because it's a chance to escape a financial dead end, not because they were particularly inspired. I haven't seen any liberal claim that poverty triggers a "breakdown of mental capacity," just that it pushes people to do things they otherwise wouldn't. Do you have evidence to the contrary? (Something tells me that the answer is "no.")

You must have been ignoring what we've been talking about. Syed Farook made 70k/yr, had been allowed to import a bride from Pakistan/Saudi, had a house, a child, everything. He had the American dream.

Also, reportedly, Jihadi John was a successful programmer or something in London.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Hating communists, socialists, and fascists means I hate America? Defending/supporting long-standing laws and the constitution of the country makes me a hater? Not sure I follow this logic either.

ahh the ubiquitous "who me?" defense. brilliant!

 

[brycejones]

ahh the ubiquitous "who me?" defense. brilliant!

He must be taking lessons from DSF. Although so far his execution is not up to the same low standards as Doc's.

 

[Commodus]

You must have been ignoring what we've been talking about. Syed Farook made 70k/yr, had been allowed to import a bride from Pakistan/Saudi, had a house, a child, everything. He had the American dream.

Also, reportedly, Jihadi John was a successful programmer or something in London.

I'm not denying that they were relatively well off. I'm rejecting your portrayal of Islam like some kind of an infection that has to be suppressed before you automatically launch into a murderous rampage. "Take Xenophobium two times daily to fight Islam. Call your doctor if you still feel like praying toward Mecca. Side effects may include enabling fearmongers and stifling the cultural diversity that defines America."

 

[Svnla]

In other news, Sanders condemns any type of threats:

“I don’t like this. I don’t like it,” Sanders told The Huffington Post after speaking at a rally for Omaha mayoral candidate Heath Mello on Thursday night. “Obviously Ann Coulter’s outrageous ― to my mind, off the wall. But you know, people have a right to give their two cents-worth, give a speech, without fear of violence and intimidation.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-condemns-threats-against-162257900.html

Bill Maher - "book burning"

“Berkeley used to be the cradle of free speech, and now it’s just the cradle for f—ing babies,” Maher said. “I feel like this goes on all over the country on campuses — they invite somebody to speak that’s not exactly what liberals want to hear and they want to shut her down. I feel like this is the liberals’ version of book burning. And it’s got to stop.”

Maher went on to quote former Vermont governor Howard Dean, who tweeted Friday, “Hate speech is not protected by the First Amendment.”

Threats are not protected by the First Amendment. This is why the Supreme Court said Nazis could march in Skokie — they’re a hateful bunch. But that’s what the First Amendment means. It doesn’t mean ‘Shut up and agree with me.Maher vehemently disagreed. “Yes it is! Threats are not protected by the First Amendment. This is why the Supreme Court said Nazis could march in Skokie — they’re a hateful bunch. But that’s what the First Amendment means. It doesn’t mean ‘Shut up and agree with me.'”

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/bill-maher-calls-cancellation-ann-coulter-speaking-gig-045914636.html

As I said previously in this thread, whatever happens to "raise your voice and not your fists?".

Edit: Students would sue if Coulter could not speak on scheduled date - http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/uc-berkeley-students-threaten-sue-ann-coulter-visit-46961819

 

[Blue_Max]

Lot of red-herring distractions going on to try distracting from the indefensible position the far-leftist protests are taking.

Here's a fantastic compilation that'll nail this coffin shut. You have no argument. Everything we've said is all here. It's indisputable.

You don't have the moral high ground. What your side has done (again) is truly deplorable.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Lot of red-herring distractions going on to try distracting from the indefensible position the far-leftist protests are taking.

Here's a fantastic compilation that'll nail this coffin shut. You have no argument. Everything we've said is all here. It's indisputable.

You don't have the moral high ground. What your side has done (again) is truly deplorable.

It's final! It's indefensible, it's locked tight, the statue of liberty is kaput, etc, etc, etc.. Poor, poor persecuted maxipad.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Lot of red-herring distractions going on to try distracting from the indefensible position the far-leftist protests are taking.

Here's a fantastic compilation that'll nail this coffin shut. You have no argument. Everything we've said is all here. It's indisputable.

You don't have the moral high ground. What your side has done (again) is truly deplorable.

lol
Lier

 

[brycejones]

Lot of red-herring distractions

Sum total of your posts.

Why are you supporting fascists and white supremacists? I can't imagine those viewpoints are any more aligned with Canadian ideals as they are with American ideals.

 

[baydude]

Did they really try to prevent a woman and a gay man from speaking at Berkeley?

 

[desura]

I'm not denying that they were relatively well off. I'm rejecting your portrayal of Islam like some kind of an infection that has to be suppressed before you automatically launch into a murderous rampage. "Take Xenophobium two times daily to fight Islam. Call your doctor if you still feel like praying toward Mecca. Side effects may include enabling fearmongers and stifling the cultural diversity that defines America."

It is effectively a competing nationalism and allegiance. Diversity is not an ends to itself, it simply means tolerating difference as long as the difference falls within certain acceptable boundaries, i.e. Pedophilia or murder do not count towards "diversity." Ultimately, Muslims are not a historically oppressed class. They are not black former slaves or descendants of slaves imported here against their will. THe responsibility of any newcomer to a society is to contribute positively towards it, not make demands of it...and many have not. The conversation promoted by the Left encourages negative feeling.

 

[Commodus]

It is effectively a competing nationalism and allegiance. Diversity is not an ends to itself, it simply means tolerating difference as long as the difference falls within certain acceptable boundaries, i.e. Pedophilia or murder do not count towards "diversity." Ultimately, Muslims are not a historically oppressed class. They are not black former slaves or descendants of slaves imported here against their will. THe responsibility of any newcomer to a society is to contribute positively towards it, not make demands of it...and many have not. The conversation promoted by the Left encourages negative feeling.

Diversity is neither of those things. It's a goal because it acknowledges what we share in common, and potentially invites different viewpoints that we wouldn't have considered. You shouldn't be "tolerating" difference, as if it's a nuisance that you only accept because you get something out of it... you should be accepting and even embracing it as long as that difference isn't hurting other people.

And just because Muslims aren't historically oppressed doesn't mean they shouldn't make some demands. Let me wear religious garb if I want; let me practice my faith in peace; let me have the civil rights that every American always deserves, like privacy and free speech. The whole point of the Constitution, its amendments and the Civil Rights Act is to make sure that you aren't considered "less American" (and thus less deserving of basic rights) just because of your holy text or skin color. If you start being violent or forcing people to do things against their will, sure, you're in trouble. But until then? You're equal under the law. No exceptions.

 

[FelixDeCat]

So that's why they call it Bezerkly.

 

[Jhhnn]

Muslims are not a historically oppressed class.

White bigots are kinda free range haters. Muslim hate is the new black in those circles.

 

[Blue_Max]

White bigots are kinda free range haters. Muslim hate is the new black in those circles.

Go back and watch that battle map and re-think who's oppressing whom. Enough of this red herring.

 

[desura]

Diversity is neither of those things. It's a goal because it acknowledges what we share in common, and potentially invites different viewpoints that we wouldn't have considered. You shouldn't be "tolerating" difference, as if it's a nuisance that you only accept because you get something out of it... you should be accepting and even embracing it as long as that difference isn't hurting other people.

And just because Muslims aren't historically oppressed doesn't mean they shouldn't make some demands. Let me wear religious garb if I want; let me practice my faith in peace; let me have the civil rights that every American always deserves, like privacy and free speech. The whole point of the Constitution, its amendments and the Civil Rights Act is to make sure that you aren't considered "less American" (and thus less deserving of basic rights) just because of your holy text or skin color. If you start being violent or forcing people to do things against their will, sure, you're in trouble. But until then? You're equal under the law. No exceptions.

More straw man. No one outside of France or Germany is making an issue of those things. If you ever notice, I never take seriously fears that Muslims will try and impose Sharia law on Oklahoma. And hijab laws are simply petty and silly. The issue, simply put, is the sheer levels of terrorism emanating from Islamic nationalism by the 0.9 percent who live in the United States. If you actually break it down, per capita there are comparable numbers committing terrorism in France and the USA, and the only thing the USA has over France is that it has far fewer Muslims per capita. Preventing harm does require taking into account factors which can lead to violence, and one important factor is indeed Islamic identification. Now, there are different ways of dealing with this factor. The wrong way is to tell them that they are righteous victims who bear no responsibilities associated with living in a Republic.

Another way of putting it...studies have shown that prison violence is actually caused by an excess of esteem. The way to coexistence is if Muslims actually expressed shame that their co-religionists do these acts of terrorism, similar to how Christians are indeed ashamed of the KKK. Instead, you get denial, whataboutism, conspiracy theorizing, etc.