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Kadarin

Lifer
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Today is great, the middle east is in flames because of obama, it will cost him the election and our country can be saved.

My whole office is literally giggling with happiness and excitement. It's all anybody is talking about, how this is truly the end for obama.

It's glorious. Please keep up the rioting muslims!

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Balt

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This is a direct result of the leadership over the last three 3years, we are seeing the results of the Obama doctrine.

No, and it is sad that anyone would claim this. Do you really think the young and angry men who are fueling these riots respected GWB?

This is not a political issue, it is a sociological and religious one.
 

davmat787

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Our enemy is not Islam or Muslims, though that happens to be the flag or identity they fly. Our enemy is the attack on our liberty, wherever or whomever it may come from.

You mean Congress, our so called duly elected representatives?

BTW, you (or anyone else) ever heard of a book by Vince Flynn, called Term Limits? It is about a group of returning servicemen who got burned by loose lips in congress. That was the final straw in a series of things, anyway they decide that the enemy is in DC, and since they have sworn to protect the constitution, take matters into their own deadly hands.

It was written probably 20 years ago, and in many ways was a sign of things to come. This was his first major book, before he became popular with all of his top selling "Mitch Rapp" books.

Very interesting read, highly recommended.
 

Geosurface

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Mar 22, 2012
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The republicans won't be any better against the threat of Islam than the democrats are.

To truly address it would require the kind of balls, clarity, determination, and lack of giving a shit about being politically correct that the west simply cannot muster anymore.

Having democrats in the driver's seat: driving toward a wall called Islam at 80mph
Republicans: same thing at 65mph
 

Geosurface

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Mar 22, 2012
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Wow, look at what England is turning into:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mob-gathers-us-embassy-london_652335.html


This is what Michigan is going to look like in 20 years. We need to make sure radical Islam is not allowed to thrive here, or we are as screwed as Europe.

Agreed. But Europe is the seat and origin of so much of our culture, it is also the genetic home for many of us in the west. I am not comfortable letting it go so easily, because if we do... within my lifetime I will watch on the news as the Muslims destroy all the great art, sculpture, and architecture of Europe for being "decadent idolatry" just like the Taliban did to the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan. We will also see European women in burkhas, and European homosexuals being killed en masse by these barbarians.

Time for my former fellow liberals (I just recently stopped identifying myself as one) to find their balls, and start standing up for the things they claim to cherish (women's rights, gay rights, religious freedom, personal freedom) because it's not white guys in West Virginia who represent the greatest threat to those things. It's Islam. Their politically correct touchy feely pussiness prevents them from seeing it or acknowledging it, and will right up until the moment they get trampled by it.

This cannot be allowed.

All Muslims who are not thoroughly westernized in the US and Europe, and Russia and China and Japan... should all be offered either a ticket back home, or a bullet in the face.
 

Rainsford

Lifer
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The republicans won't be any better against the threat of Islam than the democrats are.

To truly address it would require the kind of balls, clarity, determination, and lack of giving a shit about being politically correct that the west simply cannot muster anymore.

Having democrats in the driver's seat: driving toward a wall called Islam at 80mph
Republicans: same thing at 65mph

I always hate this debate, because the outrage comments are always super vague. What SPECIFICALLY should we be doing differently, and how would it help? Do we need to run around setting fire to falafel carts or what? If you're going to get pissed that we're not doing something, it would be helpful to actually say what you're talking about.

I also think there is a serious problem with this debate in terms of accepting the basic premise. It's not just that it's hard to understand what your solution is, I'm not at all sure I agree with you about the scope of the problem. Islam (radical or otherwise) doesn't seem at all like a credible existential threat to the US or the Western world in general. At least the red scare involved a country with nuclear weapons pointed at us, and even THAT seems overblown in retrospect.
 

Rainsford

Lifer
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Time for my former fellow liberals (I just recently stopped identifying myself as one) to find their balls, and start standing up for the things they claim to cherish (women's rights, gay rights, religious freedom, personal freedom) because it's not white guys in West Virginia who represent the greatest threat to those things. It's Islam. Their politically correct touchy feely pussiness prevents them from seeing it or acknowledging it, and will right up until the moment they get trampled by it.
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It must just be my pansy liberalism, but I can come up with a LOT more examples of "white guys in West Virginia" threatening the values I believe in here at home than I can come up with Muslims doing the same thing. Maybe it has something to do with American Muslims having basically no power whatsoever and Christian conservatives having an enormous amount of influence and basically complete control over one of the two main political parties. But no, I can totally see how ignoring actual issues and railing against Muslims would be the strong move for us lefties...
 

Geosurface

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Mar 22, 2012
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I always hate this debate, because the outrage comments are always super vague. What SPECIFICALLY should we be doing differently, and how would it help? Do we need to run around setting fire to falafel carts or what? If you're going to get pissed that we're not doing something, it would be helpful to actually say what you're talking about.

I also think there is a serious problem with this debate in terms of accepting the basic premise. It's not just that it's hard to understand what your solution is, I'm not at all sure I agree with you about the scope of the problem. Islam (radical or otherwise) doesn't seem at all like a credible existential threat to the US or the Western world in general. At least the red scare involved a country with nuclear weapons pointed at us, and even THAT seems overblown in retrospect.

1.) Halt all immigration from third world, and all Muslim countries to any first world country. With emphasis on European countries in particular.

2.) Deport all Muslims back to home country, unless they are thoroughly westernized. (Such as most that you'd find in Michigan or Canada) I have no problem whatsoever with those type of Muslims, I wish they were more common. If they're first generation immigrant... gone. If they wear the burkha/hijab... gone. If their wife wears it, gone. If any woman in their family of equivalent or lower age wears it... gone.

3.) Cut all diplomatic ties with Saudi Arabia.

4.) Withdraw all embassies, and official presence of any western or first world country from middle east.

5.) Start ignoring all sovereignty, or status as ally vs. non-ally and start using constant, unrelenting drone attacks on any site in any Muslim country which we have any reason to think is a terrorist training camp or similar site.

6.) Nuke Mecca.

That last one was a joke... maybe.
 

Budmantom

Lifer
Aug 17, 2002
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No, and it is sad that anyone would claim this. Do you really think the young and angry men who are fueling these riots respected GWB?

This is not a political issue, it is a sociological and religious one.

It looks like you are right this is not a political issue, the White House is saying that this is not aimed at the US.

In other news Obama just wiped out unemployment and payed off the national debt.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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Wow, look at what England is turning into:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mob-gathers-us-embassy-london_652335.html


This is what Michigan is going to look like in 20 years. We need to make sure radical Islam is not allowed to thrive here, or we are as screwed as Europe.

Wow, the Muslims have been here in Dearborn for over 100 years yet I totally believe your prediction will come true! Any second now... any second.

California is going to look like one huge rainbow pride parade in 20 years. We need to make sure radical homosexuals are not allowed to thrive here, or we are as screwed as Richard Simmons ass. :rolleyes:
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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It looks like you are right this is not a political issue, the White House is saying that this is not aimed at the US.

In other news Obama just wiped out unemployment and payed off the national debt.

Just like your hero did before handing over the keys! Romney has a plan to fix this! Fill us in (no pun intended) on the details when you guys are done listening to dueling banjos with your new CJ buddies...
 

Budmantom

Lifer
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Just like your hero did before handing over the keys! Romney has a plan to fix this! Fill us in (no pun intended) on the details when you guys are done listening to dueling banjos with your new CJ buddies...


Think of all the policies that have failed under Obama(I know it's hard to wrap your little mind around that magnitude) and think opposite.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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Think of all the policies that have failed under Obama(I know it's hard to wrap your little mind around that magnitude) and think opposite.

I could simply agree with you but then we'd both be wrong. Think of all the obstructionism (I know it's hard to pull yourself off the GOP nuttsack long enough to show any semblance of intellectual honesty) that has occurred in the past 4 years and you will clearly identify the problem with our country. Know that American en mass will again reject the GOP as We are keenly aware the GOP is still hell bent on continuing what they started 12 years ago. Romney and his minions have made that abundantly clear this campaign. Thank God America is paying attention this time (You won't fool Us again) and will be spared from total destruction from this regressive party of No for at least another 4 years.
 

Budmantom

Lifer
Aug 17, 2002
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I could simply agree with you but then we'd both be wrong. Think of all the obstructionism (I know it's hard to pull yourself off the GOP nuttsack long enough to show any semblance of intellectual honesty) that has occurred in the past 4 years and you will clearly identify the problem with our country. Know that American en mass will again reject the GOP as We are keenly aware the GOP is still hell bent on continuing what they started 12 years ago. Romney and his minions have made that abundantly clear this campaign. Thank God America is paying attention this time (You won't fool Us again) and will be spared from total destruction from this regressive party of No for at least another 4 years.

Let's talk about all the GOP's obstructionism the first two years of Barrack Hussein's presidency, why don't you start.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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Let's talk about all the GOP's obstructionism the first two years of Barrack Hussein's presidency, why don't you start.

Yes, please.... let's do that!

The GOP controlled the house, senate, and POTUS for 4 straight years or 6 depending on your view of Jeffords... You can see what good that did our great Country.

Democrats, on the other hand, only had a 60 seat majority from September 24th, 2009 thru February 4th, 2010. That's 4 months!

Subtract the number of days Congress was not in session during that timeframe and Obama had a Democratic majority in Congress one full month less than that.

So why not stick to your failed endeavor of revising Bush's 8 years, some might have forgotten that by now! Your trying to reinvent the events pertaining to Kennedy, Frankin, Brown, Byrd, the word reconciliation and the actual makeup of the Senate those first 2 years is falling flat on it's drunk face!

Thankfully not everyone here relies on being willfully misinformed (I call it lying) about the makeup of the Senate during those 2 years and does not pretend that the dems had a filibuster proof majority for more than 73 days! (lot's of important legislation came up during that time, too!)

Do you want to keep trying to revise recent history or should I go on...
 
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Orignal Earl

Diamond Member
Oct 27, 2005
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Today is great, the middle east is in flames because of obama, it will cost him the election and our country can be saved.

My whole office is literally giggling with happiness and excitement. It's all anybody is talking about, how this is truly the end for obama.

It's glorious. Please keep up the rioting muslims!

WTF

You and your co-workers are dancing in the streets at the death of your ambassador??
You people make me sick..