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tweakmm

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Stagg Foods addition:

BUT THEN NALLI CHILI BOUGHT STAGG FOODS AND CHANGED ALL THE FSCKING RECIPIES. :| It was part of the signed agreement that Nalli wouldn't change any of the Stagg Foods recipies, but they DID ANYWAY and there's nothing anyone can do about it. The true Stagg Foods chili recipies are soooo much better than what they've been changed to.

:|

Sorry, this just really pisses me off.

nik

I would be angry, too.

Damn that pisses me off.

If you want to take pot shots at me, then do it.

eat sh|t and die :|

What crawled up your ass tonight?

Yer mom.
:Q
FFM knows how to take it like a man:p
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: petrek
Is there proof of a creator?

I've obviously come to that conclusion. One thought that went through my mind many years ago was: if all it took was a hundred years to advance so explosively, there is simply no possible way that modern man is hundreds of thousands of years old. Even 5 thousand years seems like a long time.
Now I'm going to have to explain it to you. We have advanced so much in the past 100 years because of this thing I like to call "The Industrial Revolution". And we advanced quickly in the past 5-10,000 years because of this thing I like to call "farming".

Many thousands of years ago, humans were hunters and gatherers. This as an easy life. They went around picking fruits, nuts, and berries, and hunting game. This was and always will be the most efficient way of obtaining food. They only had to work for two days a week, using our standards of a day's work. Then the hunters and gatherers, because of population expansion, started encroaching on each others' territory. They were running out of land. So they started slash and burn farming, which more intensively used the land. This was harder work than hunting and gathering. Then this became unviable with further population growth, because the land had to lie fallow for 20-30 years. So people started settling down and practicing substistence plough agriculture. This was even more work than slash and burn, but got more food out of the same land. Later, farms were taken over by aristocrats, and farmers found themselves working even harder to make money to buy food that they could easily grow themselves in times past. So they moved to the cities to find non existent work. Eventually factories were started, with assembly lines and specialized jobs. This, along with mechanization, led to the industrial revolution.
 

petrek

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It's called "confirmation"

I'll leave you to your own research since you seem to be shacking up with those who blatantly refuse to have an open mind or simply leave sh|t alone.

What does "confirmation" refer to? The fact of the matter is that feelings can't be trusted. I agreed with Zaketh because he said it before I had the chance. Am I to ignore him when he states an obvious fact, I think not.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: zod
Granted, I don't believe that any of those things exist, but I don't go spouting off and bashing those who do simply because I have a closed mind ;)

I never once bashed God. I could care less if he/she/it existed. Doesn't concern me in the slightest.
You guys were the ones who had the problem with the scientific Theory of Evolution.

Because there's only theory and bias "evidence" toward it. There is no proof. It's not scientific per the definition of something being scientific: observable, measureable, and repeatable.

Anyone who starts sh|t immediately loses respect in my eyes (like that actually matters to anyone). I won't be the one starting things. I learn for myself, and comment on my opinion when asked.

nik
 

zod

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The popping aspect theories. I forget the technical term at the moment. I've both read them and seen them numerous times in Scientific magazines and on Science shows respectively.

I think I know what you are referring to.

Punctuated Equilibrium.
Stasis for a long time, then quick change/speciation.

An interesting idea (the late Stephen Jay Gould was its biggest proponent), but this is rapid change in GEOLOGIC time. That means, say, 10,000 years. For the earth, thats quick change. It isnt really a new species just pops out, but it happens more rapidly than those who say everything evolves gradually over millions of years at a steady pace.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: petrek
It's called "confirmation"

I'll leave you to your own research since you seem to be shacking up with those who blatantly refuse to have an open mind or simply leave sh|t alone.

What does "confirmation" refer to? The fact of the matter is that feelings can't be trusted. I agreed with Zaketh because he said it before I had the chance. Am I to ignore him when he states an obvious fact, I think not.

Read my post again. Figure it out for your damn self.

nik
 

zod

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Because there's only theory

ffm -

Ah. Let's clarify what scientists mean by Theory. It isn't what you and I mean in every day English.

"A scientific theory or law represents an hypothesis, or a group of related hypotheses, which has been confirmed through repeated experimental tests. "
From The Scientific Method (inc. Theories, etc)



Read that quick paragraph to understand that saying Evolution is a Theory is confirming it.
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: petrek
the expresion "talking to a brick wall" makes a lot more sense now

If that is in reference to me than please provide a link to proof.
I was actualy making a statement about everybody. People on the whole tend to be very stubborn when it comes to philosophies on existance.
 

petrek

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Certainly!
This specimen is characterized by large brain size, a forehead that rises sharply, eyebrow ridges that are very small, a prominent chin, and lighter bone structure than most other homonids. The trend towards smaller teeth and a flatter face is also evident.

Because of these features, this specimen would be characterized as Homo sapiens.

specimen representation can be found at

Have you studied the minor differences that exist between the species that you mentioned? If you did than you should know full well that if scientists dug up Andre's bones in the future they would create a new species just for him. The fact of the matter is that the differences seen in what constitutes as different species are also seen in the human population as it exists today.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: zod
Because there's only theory

ffm -

Ah. Let's clarify what scientists mean by Theory. It isn't what you and I mean in every day English.

"A scientific theory or law represents an hypothesis, or a group of related hypotheses, which has been confirmed through repeated experimental tests. "
From The Scientific Method (inc. Theories, etc)



Read that quick paragraph to understand that saying Evolution is a Theory is confirming it.

I guess I shouldn't use theory, then, because no beginning of time hypothesis has yet to be proven.
 

zod

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Hrmf. No response to the Andre the Giant pic. I liked that one.

Study this representation of the specimen - Andre!

Notice how Andre cannot fit into the Homo neandertalensis species.
Unlike them, he does not possess a protruding jaw, receding forehead, and weak chin. The mid-facial area of Neanderthals protruded much more than the same area in modern humans and may have been an adaptation to cold. Indeed, Neanderthals lived mostly in cold climates.

I think Andre lived in LA.


Trying to keep it light,
-zod
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: zod
Hrmf. No response to the Andre the Giant pic. I liked that one.

Study this representation of the specimen - Andre!

Notice how Andre cannot fit into the Homo neandertalensis species.
Unlike them, he does not possess a protruding jaw, receding forehead, and weak chin. The mid-facial area of Neanderthals protruded much more than the same area in modern humans and may have been an adaptation to cold. Indeed, Neanderthals lived mostly in cold climates.

I think Andre lived in LA.


Trying to keep it light,
-zod

You mean... you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword and we'll try to kill eachother like civilized people? :D
 

zod

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Andre's facial features and bone structure fit in quite perfectly into modern human parameters. He possesses every feature that make us a coherent species.

I guess I shouldn't use theory, then, because no beginning of time hypothesis has yet to be proven.
Ask a physicist about beginning of time hypotheses (big band and stuff).
We're discussing the Theory of Evolution, which by its very nature as a Theory (like Gravity) means it has been confirmed through repeated experimental tests.
 

petrek

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Now I'm going to have to explain it to you. We have advanced so much in the past 100 years because of this thing I like to call "The Industrial Revolution". And we advanced quickly in the past 5-10,000 years because of this thing I like to call "farming".

Many thousands of years ago, humans were hunters and gatherers. This as an easy life. They went around picking fruits, nuts, and berries, and hunting game. This was and always will be the most efficient way of obtaining food. They only had to work for two days a week, using our standards of a day's work. Then the hunters and gatherers, because of population expansion, started encroaching on each others' territory. They were running out of land. So they started slash and burn farming, which more intensively used the land. This was harder work than hunting and gathering. Then this became unviable with further population growth, because the land had to lie fallow for 20-30 years. So people started settling down and practicing substistence plough agriculture. This was even more work than slash and burn, but got more food out of the same land. Later, farms were taken over by aristocrats, and farmers found themselves working even harder to make money to buy food that they could easily grow themselves in times past. So they moved to the cities to find non existent work. Eventually factories were started, with assembly lines and specialized jobs. This, along with mechanization, led to the industrial revolution.{/Q]

Why did farming take so much time, yet such an explosion in the last 100 years?
 

tweakmm

Lifer
May 28, 2001
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Originally posted by: petrek
Now I'm going to have to explain it to you. We have advanced so much in the past 100 years because of this thing I like to call "The Industrial Revolution". And we advanced quickly in the past 5-10,000 years because of this thing I like to call "farming".

Many thousands of years ago, humans were hunters and gatherers. This as an easy life. They went around picking fruits, nuts, and berries, and hunting game. This was and always will be the most efficient way of obtaining food. They only had to work for two days a week, using our standards of a day's work. Then the hunters and gatherers, because of population expansion, started encroaching on each others' territory. They were running out of land. So they started slash and burn farming, which more intensively used the land. This was harder work than hunting and gathering. Then this became unviable with further population growth, because the land had to lie fallow for 20-30 years. So people started settling down and practicing substistence plough agriculture. This was even more work than slash and burn, but got more food out of the same land. Later, farms were taken over by aristocrats, and farmers found themselves working even harder to make money to buy food that they could easily grow themselves in times past. So they moved to the cities to find non existent work. Eventually factories were started, with assembly lines and specialized jobs. This, along with mechanization, led to the industrial revolution.

Why did farming take so much time, yet such an explosion in the last 100 years?
the technology boom coinicides with the population boom

 

petrek

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Notice how Andre cannot fit into the Homo neandertalensis species.
Unlike them, he does not possess a protruding jaw, receding forehead, and weak chin. The mid-facial area of Neanderthals protruded much more than the same area in modern humans and may have been an adaptation to cold. Indeed, Neanderthals lived mostly in cold climates.

Yes, but you seem to have missed the point that he's a giant! Incidently I saw him wrestle (if you could call it that) at the Winnipeg arena once, the match lasted 15 seconds.