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NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: petrek
And I'm praying that you're joking
you do realise that a human didn't pop out of an ape right?
that's not how evolution works

Isn't realise supposed to be with a z, as in realize? Anyways, that's exactly the point I was making. There is simply no proof to the fact that one kind of animal can become another kind of animal whether over time or instantaniously depending on which theory of evolution you subscribe to. Some theories suggest the popping aspect. Either way, there's no proof that one kind of animal has ever changed into another kind of animal, a necessary belief if one is to do away with the existance of a Creator.

Is there proof of a creator?

Is there proof that He doesn't exist?
 

petrek

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"it is not so" is about as an elaborate answer as I can give to yours without making numerous assumptions about what or how you think, assumptions I am not prepared to make.

I think I answered your other response with the post just above this one.
 

zod

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ffmcobalt / nik -

Explain to me the bias of scientists.
Anthropologists, Biologists, Geologists, Chemists, Physicists, etc, since they all helped form our modern Evolutionary Theory.

The dream of every scientist is to prove the other dude wrong. Then he gets published and famous and respected.

Scientists do not make up some big brother organization. There is no "pope" of all scientists. They like to argue. A lot. They're geeks and nerds.



An aside:
Someone explain Homo sapiens neandertalensis if there is no evolution (or Homo neandertalensis if you want to give them a seperate species designation), Homo erectus, Homo habilis, Homo ergaster, Australopithecus afarensis, Australopithecus africanus, Homo heidelbergensis, etc.
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

And hearing the actual voice of the One who created it all is even less subjective. ;)

nik

Vouched and accounted for by you, and you alone.

If one has the megalomaniacal tendencies to believe that his or her experience alone is enough to prove or disprove a creator to any other person, I pity them.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: zod
ffmcobalt / nik -

Explain to me the bias of scientists.
Anthropologists, Biologists, Geologists, Chemists, Physicists, etc, since they all helped form our modern Evolutionary Theory.

The dream of every scientist is to prove the other dude wrong. Then he gets published and famous and respected.

Scientists do not make up some big brother organization. There is no "pope" of all scientists. They like to argue. A lot. They're geeks and nerds.



An aside:
Someone explain Homo sapiens neandertalensis if there is no evolution (or Homo neandertalensis if you want to give them a seperate species designation), Homo erectus, Homo habilis, Homo ergaster, Australopithecus afarensis, Australopithecus africanus, Homo heidelbergensis, etc.

They're human. 'nuff said.

nik
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

And hearing the actual voice of the One who created it all is even less subjective. ;)

nik

Vouched and accounted for by you, and you alone.

If one has the megalomaniacal tendencies to believe that his or her experience alone is enough to prove or disprove a creator to any other person, I pity them.

Yes, because I'm the only one who He "talks to"
rolleye.gif


Don't read the Bible, much, do you.

nik
 

petrek

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Human experience is faulty and subjective. Scientific data observed by multiple professionals, and backed up by innumerable repetitions of the same experiment is not nearly as subjective.

Precisely, and furthermore, how do you know it's God "talking to your heart" and not Satan. God says Satan takes people captive at his will. The only sure thing is the Word of God. Get this through your head, experience is faulty and subjective. Christianity is not a feel good, or feeling based religion, feelings are deceptive and can't be trusted.
 

zod

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nik/ffmcobalt -

Do you understand what bias is?

A group of one million competing scientists are not biased when all they want to do is find explanations for the natural world. If they were all working together on the same project in unison, yes, there could be bias. But they're not. Not even close.

All Christians are biased as well.
 

petrek

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Apr 11, 2001
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An aside:
Someone explain Homo sapiens neandertalensis if there is no evolution (or Homo neandertalensis if you want to give them a seperate species designation), Homo erectus, Homo habilis, Homo ergaster, Australopithecus afarensis, Australopithecus africanus, Homo heidelbergensis, etc.

Yes, please give a detailed account of the species also known as Andre the Giant.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: zod
Some theories suggest the popping aspect

which theories suggest the popping aspect?


nik/ffmcobalt -

Is there proof that He doesn't exist?
Is there proof that Unicorns, Vishnu, and vampires don't exist?

Nope. There isn't proof that anything doesn't exist. It's not possible to prove that anything doesn't exist because you can't be everywhere at once to look to see if they exist. It was once thought that Blue Whales were extinct. But, a number of years after they were first thought to be, a few were found again. I dunno if they're extinct, now, but I don't really care. It provides a great little addition to debates like these.

Granted, I don't believe that any of those things exist, but I don't go spouting off and bashing those who do simply because I have a closed mind ;)

nik
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: petrek
Human experience is faulty and subjective. Scientific data observed by multiple professionals, and backed up by innumerable repetitions of the same experiment is not nearly as subjective.
God says Satan takes people captive at his will. The only sure thing is the Word of God
I say that all of you are my slaves all though none of you know it. The only sure thing is the word of me.


prove me wrong
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: petrek
Human experience is faulty and subjective. Scientific data observed by multiple professionals, and backed up by innumerable repetitions of the same experiment is not nearly as subjective.

Precisely, and furthermore, how do you know it's God "talking to your heart" and not Satan. God says Satan takes people captive at his will. The only sure thing is the Word of God. Get this through your head, experience is faulty and subjective. Christianity is not a feel good, or feeling based religion, feelings are deceptive and can't be trusted.

It's called "confirmation"

I'll leave you to your own research since you seem to be shacking up with those who blatantly refuse to have an open mind or simply leave sh|t alone.

nik
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: petrek
An aside:
Someone explain Homo sapiens neandertalensis if there is no evolution (or Homo neandertalensis if you want to give them a seperate species designation), Homo erectus, Homo habilis, Homo ergaster, Australopithecus afarensis, Australopithecus africanus, Homo heidelbergensis, etc.

Yes, please give a detailed account of the species also known as Andre the Giant.
so you took biology right?:Q
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: petrek
Human experience is faulty and subjective. Scientific data observed by multiple professionals, and backed up by innumerable repetitions of the same experiment is not nearly as subjective.
God says Satan takes people captive at his will. The only sure thing is the Word of God
I say that all of you are my slaves all though none of you know it. The only sure thing is the word of me.


prove me wrong

I say that you're wrong.

Prove me wrong.

nik
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: zod
nik/ffmcobalt -

Do you understand what bias is?

A group of one million competing scientists are not biased when all they want to do is find explanations for the natural world. If they were all working together on the same project in unison, yes, there could be bias. But they're not. Not even close.

All Christians are biased as well.

Everyone is bias, Zod. Every single person.

You can't get away from it and it will never change.

nik
 

petrek

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Is there proof of a creator?

I've obviously come to that conclusion. One thought that went through my mind many years ago was: if all it took was a hundred years to advance so explosively, there is simply no possible way that modern man is hundreds of thousands of years old. Even 5 thousand years seems like a long time.
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Stagg Foods addition:

BUT THEN NALLI CHILI BOUGHT STAGG FOODS AND CHANGED ALL THE FSCKING RECIPIES. :| It was part of the signed agreement that Nalli wouldn't change any of the Stagg Foods recipies, but they DID ANYWAY and there's nothing anyone can do about it. The true Stagg Foods chili recipies are soooo much better than what they've been changed to.

:|

Sorry, this just really pisses me off.

nik

I would be angry, too.

Damn that pisses me off.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Stagg Foods addition:

BUT THEN NALLI CHILI BOUGHT STAGG FOODS AND CHANGED ALL THE FSCKING RECIPIES. :| It was part of the signed agreement that Nalli wouldn't change any of the Stagg Foods recipies, but they DID ANYWAY and there's nothing anyone can do about it. The true Stagg Foods chili recipies are soooo much better than what they've been changed to.

:|

Sorry, this just really pisses me off.

nik

I would be angry, too.

Damn that pisses me off.

If you want to take pot shots at me, then do it.

eat sh|t and die :|
 

zod

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Yes, please give a detailed account of the species also known as Andre the Giant.

Certainly!
This specimen is characterized by large brain size, a forehead that rises sharply, eyebrow ridges that are very small, a prominent chin, and lighter bone structure than most other homonids. The trend towards smaller teeth and a flatter face is also evident.

Because of these features, this specimen would be characterized as Homo sapiens.

specimen representation can be found at

Andre
 

petrek

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Apr 11, 2001
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which theories suggest the popping aspect?

The popping aspect theories. I forget the technical term at the moment. I've both read them and seen them numerous times in Scientific magazines and on Science shows respectively.
 

RossMAN

Grand Nagus
Feb 24, 2000
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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Stagg Foods addition:

BUT THEN NALLI CHILI BOUGHT STAGG FOODS AND CHANGED ALL THE FSCKING RECIPIES. :| It was part of the signed agreement that Nalli wouldn't change any of the Stagg Foods recipies, but they DID ANYWAY and there's nothing anyone can do about it. The true Stagg Foods chili recipies are soooo much better than what they've been changed to.

:|

Sorry, this just really pisses me off.

nik

I would be angry, too.

Damn that pisses me off.

If you want to take pot shots at me, then do it.

eat sh|t and die :|

What crawled up your ass tonight? I'm just jerkin' your chicken.
 

zod

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Oct 10, 1999
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Granted, I don't believe that any of those things exist, but I don't go spouting off and bashing those who do simply because I have a closed mind ;)

I never once bashed God. I could care less if he/she/it existed. Doesn't concern me in the slightest.
You guys were the ones who had the problem with the scientific Theory of Evolution.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Stagg Foods addition:

BUT THEN NALLI CHILI BOUGHT STAGG FOODS AND CHANGED ALL THE FSCKING RECIPIES. :| It was part of the signed agreement that Nalli wouldn't change any of the Stagg Foods recipies, but they DID ANYWAY and there's nothing anyone can do about it. The true Stagg Foods chili recipies are soooo much better than what they've been changed to.

:|

Sorry, this just really pisses me off.

nik

I would be angry, too.

Damn that pisses me off.

If you want to take pot shots at me, then do it.

eat sh|t and die :|

What crawled up your ass tonight?

Yer mom.