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Kaido

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I'm right behind you here. Any appliance that has a phone app is by default a marketing vehicle in my book. Dump the foolish crap and produce a solid reliable product.
I find the method of heating to be very interesting, but I can't find any information on code approval.

I mean, it's just a Wi-fi chip that has some sensors to track temperature & flow rate - you can add connectivity to just about anything these days with a simple $20 Arduino or $35 Pi board. Like 90% of the products in my house are IoT at this point, so I think adding a basic chip for connectivity is kind of separate from being a solid & reliable product, you know? Heck, even like half of my kitchen applies hook up via Bluetooth or Wi-fi & are just fine in terms of day to day operation.

What I am curious about is real, long-term reviews of pretty much any product out there. Sometimes, things are only the way they are because that's how they've always been but are good candidates for change (such as combining graphite electrodes with residential tankless water heaters - sometimes you just need the right person to combine existing ideas, or to find a new angle, or for the market price on the components to come down to the point where they're affordable by the target market)), but by & large, the things that have stuck around long-term are still there because they're reliable & trustworthy & have a support network in place to service & support them.

I like the fact that they're on the third model release within 3 years of inception, which means they're doing annual product updates, improving features, etc. One of my personal tech mantras over time has evolved into "never buy first-generation hardware", because it's almost always rushed to market to meet some arbitrary deadline & doesn't have any long-term user reviews yet, nor has a large pool of authentic reviews, which is why websites like Fakespot had to come into existence. I also like letting the feature set grow over time...like, my buddy put in the newer Mitsubishi Mr. Slim "H2i" mini-split ductless systems into his house a couple years ago & they are pretty amazing because they do both heating AND cooling, and can operate in up to -13F weather outside, so every room gets its own temperature & controls for that, rather than wasting energy & money heating the whole house & heating the 30 to 90 feet of ductwork (average range for a single-family home).

So I'm definitely open to new ideas, which is one of the reasons I originally started this thread 6 years ago (dang, that's a long time now! haha), but I am also a big believer of buying vetted hardware, instead of random new stuff that comes on the market that may or may not be proven yet.
 

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I'm a little different in that I refuse to buy anything that has an app. I feel it detracts from the product. The marketing has taken precedence over the product. Take that hundred bucks worth of connectivity hardware and spend it on better bearings, motors, higher quality material. I don't need or want to interact with my water heater. I want to connect it and spend the next fifteen years ignoring it. In a perfect world I would never know it was there.
Where connectivity makes sense is in monitoring critical information. Find a gadget that will tell me if I have a water or gas leak and I'm on board. Being able to turn on my washing machine from five thousand miles away has as much value to me as turd blankets. If it adds a single penny to the cost it's over priced.
 
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Kaido

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I'm a little different in that I refuse to buy anything that has an app. I feel it detracts from the product. The marketing has taken precedence over the product. Take that hundred bucks worth of connectivity hardware and spend it on better bearings, motors, higher quality material. I don't need or want to interact with my water heater. I want to connect it and spend the next fifteen years ignoring it. In a perfect world I would never know it was there.
Where connectivity makes sense is in monitoring critical information. Find a gadget that will tell me if I have a water or gas leak and I'm on board. Being able to turn on my washing machine from five thousand miles away has as much value to me as turd blankets. If it adds a single penny to the cost it's over priced.

I'm totally the opposite, I have a whole separate thread on just smarthome stuff haha:


I'd love to connect every single thing in my house together for central control & data logging! It's overkill for most things, but it's a fun, nerdy thing to do. When I move later this year, I'd love to get some Alexa-enabled appliances like a dishwasher, washing machine, and clothes dryer that can send me an alert when they finish, because I totally forget simple stuff like that, lol. I've done data connection-type projects in the past for stuff like that, but then I'm the one stuck maintaining all of the hardware & software instead of it just being a turn-key experience, so as long as the base hardware quality of the appliance or gadget in question is solid, then I don't really see a problem with adding networking capabilities to it.
 

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I reintroduce Dekton
Now in over 60 colors and patterns.
4, 8, 12, 20 and 30mm thicknesses.
320 x 144 cm (126" x 56 5/8") sheets/panels
For countertops, walls, floors, sidewalks, building siding, outdoor kitchens, etc.

From the transferable warranty doc (bold by me) -
WHAT THIS LIMITED 25-YEAR WARRANTY COVERS:
• This limited transferrable warranty covers Dekton® Surfaces that have been purchased from an Authorized Dekton® Installer or Dealer (“Authorized Installer”) and have been permanently installed in your single family residence by an Authorized Installer.
• This limited warranty covers products that have been maintained according to the Dekton® Surfaces Care and Maintenance and set forth on www.dekton.com/usa.
Cracking due to exposure to extreme hot and cold temperatures, and cracking due to thermal shock.
Staining against most common food, beverage, and household products provided that Customers follow proper care and maintenance guidelines.
Fading due to exposure to direct Ultra Violet (UV) sunlight in both indoor and outdoor applications.
-----------------------------------------------------------
From the Care and Maintenance doc -
STAIN CLEANING PRODUCT
Grease and oil Alkaline detergent / solvent
Ink Solvent
Rust Acid
Limescale Acid
Wine Alkaline detergent / acid
Tyre rubber Solvent
Ice cream Alkaline detergent
Resin / nail varnish Solvent
Coffee Alkaline detergent / acid
Candle wax Solvent
Asphalt Solvent
Residual cement Acid
Gesso Acid
Epoxy adhesive and grouting Solvent
Cola Oxidant
Fruit juices Oxidant
Tar Solvent
Nicotine Solvent / oxidant

Acid cleaning products can include any of low pH or descaling agent
etc. Alkaline products include basic cleaning agents, ammonia etc.
Solvents can include products such as universal solvent, turpentine
(white spirit), acetone, alcohol etc. Oxidants include products such as
hydrogen peroxide and diluted bleach.
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Try the above on marble or granite.

We've had our countertops for over 3 years now.
The wife sets pots and pans directly from the stove or oven on the Dekton countertops- never any damage, it does heat up under the pot or pan, but doesn't transfer heat to the underside of the countertop (20mm thickness)
Everything that has been spilled on it (including grape juice accidently left overnight) has cleaned up with plain water or water and a drop of Dawn.
And they weren't kidding about cutting on it, I had to throw away the sink cutout piece the wife was using as a cutting board, it was dulling her steel and ceramic knives (although the Dekton was unmarked).
 
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Micrornd

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I'm totally the opposite, I have a whole separate thread on just smarthome stuff haha:
You sound a little like my nephew. :)
(Greenman's gonna love this)
He got some Wi-Fi controlled color changing lights for his room and just had to show me how to use the phone app for them.
When I asked him why? and what useful purpose they served?, he just had a blank stare and then proceded to show me how to use the phone app again.
This from a kid that works at an Amazon distribution center.
 

Greenman

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One of the selling points of my hearing aids was a phone app to adjust the volume. It takes the app about 40 seconds to find the hearing aids and turn them up or down. I can touch the button behind my ear to adjust them in less than 3 seconds. That one went right in the trash.
 

skyking

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I think it's an interesting concept, interesting water heater. I'm annoyed by the claims of savings because they are made in a vacuum. Everyone's situation is different. If you live in the Southwest, for example, any savings you make and heating water are amplified by the fact that lost heat from a conventional water heater is dissipated into your house, which you then have to remove with the air conditioning.
On the other hand, if you're in the Northwest like me, the lost heat coming off my water heater goes right into my house. I only air-condition about four to six weeks a year. All these claims of savings are truly in a vacuum, and ignore the laws of thermodynamics.
Instant water heaters make sense during a good remodel or new construction. Having an instant heater in multiple locations saves all of that lost heat in water in the pipe.
I also agree completely with Green Man in that any app is a gimmick. Our smartphones compete for our attention 24/7 and another app is just a bunch of bulshit.
 

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I reintroduce Dekton
Now in over 60 colors and patterns.
4, 8, 12, 20 and 30mm thicknesses.
320 x 144 cm (126" x 56 5/8") sheets/panels
For countertops, walls, floors, sidewalks, building siding, outdoor kitchens, etc.

From the transferable warranty doc (bold by me) -
WHAT THIS LIMITED 25-YEAR WARRANTY COVERS:
• This limited transferrable warranty covers Dekton® Surfaces that have been purchased from an Authorized Dekton® Installer or Dealer (“Authorized Installer”) and have been permanently installed in your single family residence by an Authorized Installer.
• This limited warranty covers products that have been maintained according to the Dekton® Surfaces Care and Maintenance and set forth on www.dekton.com/usa.
Cracking due to exposure to extreme hot and cold temperatures, and cracking due to thermal shock.
Staining against most common food, beverage, and household products provided that Customers follow proper care and maintenance guidelines.
Fading due to exposure to direct Ultra Violet (UV) sunlight in both indoor and outdoor applications.
-----------------------------------------------------------
From the Care and Maintenance doc -
STAIN CLEANING PRODUCT
Grease and oil Alkaline detergent / solvent
Ink Solvent
Rust Acid
Limescale Acid
Wine Alkaline detergent / acid
Tyre rubber Solvent
Ice cream Alkaline detergent
Resin / nail varnish Solvent
Coffee Alkaline detergent / acid
Candle wax Solvent
Asphalt Solvent
Residual cement Acid
Gesso Acid
Epoxy adhesive and grouting Solvent
Cola Oxidant
Fruit juices Oxidant
Tar Solvent
Nicotine Solvent / oxidant

Acid cleaning products can include any of low pH or descaling agent
etc. Alkaline products include basic cleaning agents, ammonia etc.
Solvents can include products such as universal solvent, turpentine
(white spirit), acetone, alcohol etc. Oxidants include products such as
hydrogen peroxide and diluted bleach.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Try the above on marble or granite.

We've had our countertops for over 3 years now.
The wife sets pots and pans directly from the stove or oven on the Dekton countertops- never any damage, it does heat up under the pot or pan, but doesn't transfer heat to the underside of the countertop (20mm thickness)
Everything that has been spilled on it (including grape juice accidently left overnight) has cleaned up with plain water or water and a drop of Dawn.
And they weren't kidding about cutting on it, I had to throw away the sink cutout piece the wife was using as a cutting board, it was dulling her steel and ceramic knives (although the Dekton was unmarked).
Awesome stuff, what was the cost if you don't mind me asking?
 

Micrornd

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It was $66/sq. ft. installed, through Home Depot for 20mm. (it was on an introductory sale, normally $78 sq. ft. at the time)
That was the same cost as good granite and cheaper than marble in my area (n. ctrl. FL) at the time.
The fading, staining and thermal shock parts of the warranty alone sold us on the product.
 

Kaido

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Dryer Wall Vent:



They also have this cool gadget, which detects lint blockage, lets you know when your laundry is done, and has a water-leak sensor:


Plus some other cool products like an improved flexible dryer exhaust tube:


And of course the dryer box to prevent getting the exhaust tube crushed:

 

Kaido

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My buddy just installed a 40-breaker (up to 80 circuits, if you use the skinny breakers) electrical panel, absolutely bananas. I dug into circuit breakers & found the Leviton Load Center:


The Internet connectivity package = Hub + Smart Circuit Breakers + Smartphone app:


66-space cover in white with a window. 10/10 would totally add LED's & a glass etching lol:


20A Smart AFCI/GFCI Hydraulic Magnetic Branch Circuit Breaker:


Done. Sold. Gonna do my whole house with Leviton & 20A AFCI/GFCI combo circuit breakers. Let's go! Hahaha.
 

Kaido

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Kaido

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Love that structured plumbing look:


Good video on tankless:

 

Greenman

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My buddy just installed a 40-breaker (up to 80 circuits, if you use the skinny breakers) electrical panel, absolutely bananas. I dug into circuit breakers & found the Leviton Load Center:


The Internet connectivity package = Hub + Smart Circuit Breakers + Smartphone app:


66-space cover in white with a window. 10/10 would totally add LED's & a glass etching lol:


20A Smart AFCI/GFCI Hydraulic Magnetic Branch Circuit Breaker:


Done. Sold. Gonna do my whole house with Leviton & 20A AFCI/GFCI combo circuit breakers. Let's go! Hahaha.
The smart breakers are a foolish gimmick. There is no reason to take a simple dependable device and make it more complex. I already have enough trouble with AFCI breakers. So far, 100% of my clients hate them almost as much as I do. Adding a whole bunch more circuity isn't going to improve dependability at all.
 
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Kaido

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I've been learning about cabinet & furniture-making lately & ran across this amazing magnet-drive installation system:


Downside is the starter kit with the tool & 20 pairs of connectors is like $500 lol:


But looooooooook:


Also a related Youtube video for attaching table legs using magnets:


The hardware for that project:


I'm working on building a monster workbench, but I want it to be able to disassemble to move it when I move. Magnets are looking pretty good right now!

 

Kaido

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Kaido

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Ultra-thin wafer LED recessed lighting with remote driver:


$30 shipped for a 6" dimmable:



My buddy recent did a job with both the ultra-thin wafer & the integrated model. He said the integrated model has less of a flashlight effect when you stare at it & likes them better:


The Utilitech brand looks pretty nice:

* $18
* 85-watt equivalent
* 14-watts actually used
* 850 lumens
* 5-selectable colors: 2700K (soft white), 3000K (warm white), 4000K (cool white), 5000K (daylight), 6500K (cool daylight)
* No housing needed

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If you ever get the ultra slim lights, make sure you get something with the LED's recessed within the housing. Otherwise the light is really harsh and cheap looking. I just did a remodel of our second floor. I put 2 of these above the master shower because the ceiling trusses were in the way, preventing a proper recessed fixture. The slight recess in the baffle really cuts down on glare. The light quality is good and no buzz with a decent Lutron dimmer.

 
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If you ever get the ultra slim lights, make sure you get something with the LED's recessed within the housing. Otherwise the light is really harsh and cheap looking. I just did a remodel of our second floor. I put 2 of these above the master shower because the ceiling trusses were in the way, preventing a proper recessed fixture. The slight recess in the baffle really cuts down on glare. The light quality is good and no buzz with a decent Lutron dimmer.

I put one in our shower recently also, and find it a very nice light. Can't be easier to install.
 
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I put one in our shower recently also, and find it a very nice light. Can't be easier to install.

Yep. The quality is hit and miss with these lights though. I put these in the guest bath. There was room for a full recessed housing, then these plugged into the housing. Same manufacturer but these buzz like hell with the same model dimmer. Annoying as hell.


I should have just went with the exact same lights in both bathrooms. I couldn't have known the larger (non slim) ones would buzz like crazy.
 

Kaido

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If you ever get the ultra slim lights, make sure you get something with the LED's recessed within the housing. Otherwise the light is really harsh and cheap looking. I just did a remodel of our second floor. I put 2 of these above the master shower because the ceiling trusses were in the way, preventing a proper recessed fixture. The slight recess in the baffle really cuts down on glare. The light quality is good and no buzz with a decent Lutron dimmer.


Yeah that's what my buddy said, the straight-up flat discs were pretty harsh. Good to know.

I did LED's but with cans not too long ago, tied into my Lutron switches, which are paired to a Hub, which is tied into my Amazon Echo system. It's dope! Works instantly & is SUPER reliable, plus the Lutrons have a neat little remote & wall-plate system to let you put a faux (but working!) switchplate anywhere. The only change I'd do would be to go with colors using the Philips Hue system, just for fun.
 

herm0016

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Yep. The quality is hit and miss with these lights though.
I should have just went with the exact same lights in both bathrooms. I couldn't have known the larger (non slim) ones would buzz like crazy.

odd. i have replaced at least 15 old 80s cans with a similar model and they have been great. they did not have all those color temps though, just the warm white.