[MMO] World of Tanks

[PowerYoga]

Mud flaps are a tiny hit zone and you can very easily miss it and ding off the heavy armor on the hull. If you're face hugging the tank with a tank that has trouble penetrating the lower glacis, you might as well try to flank it. Only reliable spot is the lower glacis, as with all vehicles.

As far as I know, the only tanks that should be slugging it out with an e-75 at point blank range from the front is the is-4 and tier 10s. Any others will lose spectacularly.

As for the famed "russian bias"... the Maus is a very reliable tier 10, and the KT and e-75 are both spectacular in their own tiers. The e-50 is a wrecking machine and the panther 2 is beastly in its own tier, easily beating out a t-44. American tanks... t34 and t30 are both dangerous in hull down positions, and the patton/pershing are both very punchy and manuverable. I drove german tanks in beta and russian tanks now, and I don't see what all the fuss is over the "russian bias". Most of their tanks are pretty terrible or situational with the exception of a few gems like the IS-4 and KV-3.

 

[stag3]

mudflaps = very front of the tracks when hull down correct? or am i missing where it is

im picturing where muflaps WOULD be on the front of the tank.

 

[Merad]

As far as I know, the only tanks that should be slugging it out with an e-75 at point blank range from the front is the is-4 and tier 10s. Any others will lose spectacularly.

He was at something like 8% health. I thought "easy kill".... I was wrong. :|

 

[Possessed Freak]

I have taken an E75 from ~90 to 0 with my S51... got all kind of grief from the guy... until I said it was my AP round. All or nothing! I have bounced twice on tier 9 mediums (wrong round loaded and had to clear the gun so I tried for it).

 

[Merad]

T32 unlocked tonight. Still need to grind about 1.5 mil credits to actually buy it tho.

 

[gamerguy2]

The pricing system of this game is GROTESQUE and excessive. I have been playing for 6 months. The clan I joined has lost many members because they are tired of the credit system. The game is geared, more so since the last patch on credits. It is near impossible not to spend hours grinding the exp for the next tank only to find you need to spend money to buy the tank (or grind endless hours tanks you dont want to play. I also suspect at high tiers people are throwing games to maximize credit and exp gains. It is fairly obvious when an artillery piece sits the whole game firing 1 or 2 shots. Also, I have "observed" lighter tanks taking down much higher tier tanks as impossible misses occurred from the heavier tank. I refuse to spend more money as I have spent money to advance my clan and bring the high tier tanks into play. I am tired of not being able to field my high tier tanks because of the "repair" costs. Often spending an hour playing my lower tier tanks to "grind" just for the credits to repair my t10 tank for Clan Wars and Tank Companies.

As a casual game it is a lot fun playing the low tier tanks. Do not be roped into a Clan or competitive play. At t10 I killed 6 tanks and survived the battle and found myself 2k credits negative. The battle was sadly a victory. I did 300-400% or more damage on t7-10 opponents. To make matters worse I forgot to load some of my regular ammo and used 6 "gold" rounds. That actually saved me 6k credits. I do not currently have a premium account. So the 50% added credits (which would offset the cost of the gold ammo) was not added at the end (you would understand this strange calculation if you have a t8 or higher tank).I would highly recommend people not play this game seriously until they change the pricing to something sensible.

I hope the developers take note as it is the most original game I have played in a very long time. Nothing beats learning to drive a tank pre-sattelite linkup with just your radioman and commander peaking out the window. My problem is the loss of clanmates and people complaining "I have to quit because I dont have credits." They are usually grinding before Clanwars starts to make sure they can stay in the battle. Premium helps a little. I have found even with premium if you dont win 50% of the games at t9-10 your tank will be "knocked out." I WAS happy to spend money on the game. It is the first game I have spent money on besides the cost of a disc (or digital download) since I quit playing WoW in 2006. The excessive "grind" and grotesque "credit" system is often described as "infuriating." GL developers I hope you take note as I will continue to play because I found a group of competitive mature players for your game which seems a rarity in Online Games these days.

 

[Possessed Freak]

So... if you play one game with a Lowe or 2 with a mid tier arty and get wins, you should bank somewhere in the neighborhood of 60k credits (with premium). Without premium it will take a few more games. That should be enough to keep your T10 tank ready. So 3-5 games of not tier 10 to support a tier 10. Seems reasonable.

I realized very early that Premium is where it is at and spent $100 for this game. When my gold finally runs out I will have to figure out if I like the game enough to spend another $100 for 10 months of premium.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

So... if you play one game with a Lowe or 2 with a mid tier arty and get wins, you should bank somewhere in the neighborhood of 60k credits (with premium). Without premium it will take a few more games. That should be enough to keep your T10 tank ready. So 3-5 games of not tier 10 to support a tier 10. Seems reasonable.

I realized very early that Premium is where it is at and spent $100 for this game. When my gold finally runs out I will have to figure out if I like the game enough to spend another $100 for 10 months of premium.

I thought that you were limited to 60 days? Or do you just have enough gold to tide you over for 10 months?

 

[Possessed Freak]

I thought that you were limited to 60 days? Or do you just have enough gold to tide you over for 10 months?

The latter.

 

[PowerYoga]

I have a premium account and never ever had an issue with needing to grind to pay for my tanks. Only time I actually lose credits is when I get 1 shotted by arty without being able to do anything. I rarely ever lose credits on an IS-4, for the most part I leave games with +20k. Last night I fired off almost every single shell I have (had 1 AP and 4 HE rounds left), had 5 kills and survived, 17 hits out of 20. Made 23k. Even without my Lowe I have never had a problem making credits. From grinding alone I have almost 3mil banked. Where's the problem here?

There's nothing "grotesque" or "infuriating" about the credit system. It sounds to me like you just expect everything to be handed to you on a silver platter without having to pay for anything. Not to mention a number of your other complaints are downright silly and will be ignored by anybody with a shred of intelligence.

 

[gamerguy2]

So... if you play one game with a Lowe or 2 with a mid tier arty and get wins, you should bank somewhere in the neighborhood of 60k credits (with premium). Without premium it will take a few more games. That should be enough to keep your T10 tank ready. So 3-5 games of not tier 10 to support a tier 10. Seems reasonable.

I realized very early that Premium is where it is at and spent $100 for this game. When my gold finally runs out I will have to figure out if I like the game enough to spend another $100 for 10 months of premium.

1st) Lowes cost 12500 (previously 7500). They have a higher credit multiplier. My teammates only use them as cash cows. I do not own any premium tanks.(12500 gold is roughly $50 real money).
2) Two games with mid tier arty. Artillery has a higher multiplier because it often destroys higher tier tanks.
3) You said if you win. In this game you are at the mercy of your teammates. So my IS-3 (same tier as a lowe) on a good game might make 15k-20k credits. On a bad game you can lose 10k credits on it or more if you have the t9 gun.

So 3-5 games (minimum) to play one game with a t10 is what I would call insane. (each game lasts up to 15 minutes). Even if you meta tanks (causing poor gameplay and increasing your chance to lose credits on the match). The loss of clanmates and people quitting out because of lack of repair money is just sad. I spent about $42 dollars before playing with my Clanmates. Using the money for extra credits to buy tanks and equipment was fun. (since then) I paid half the cost of the IS7 from gold and have had several months of premium.

 

[gamerguy2]

double post

 

[Possessed Freak]

Even if you meta tanks (causing poor gameplay and increasing your chance to lose credits on the match). The loss of clanmates and people quitting out because of lack of repair money is just sad. I spent about $42 dollars before playing with my Clanmates. Using the money for extra credits to buy tanks and equipment was fun. (since then) I paid half the cost of the IS7 from gold and have had several months of premium.

Just think if you spent $30 on the Lowe and 12 on crap for your IS7 then you would never have a credit issue. Bummer you couldn't metagame that.

 

[stag3]

i haven't had any issues money wise, i am premium at this time for my final tier 10 pushes. however before i had premium i would play my tier 5's and make money back that way.

 

[PowerYoga]

1st)Using the money for extra credits to buy tanks and equipment was fun. (since then) I paid half the cost of the IS7 from gold and have had several months of premium.

You're doing it wrong if you have to convert gold to credits. Use the gold to get premium account, play normally, get money. With the KV you should be able to rake in 30k easy per game. With the Lowe you'd rake in 60-80k EASY. I've never gotten less than 20k a game on a lowe even for a loss.

All the tools are there for you but you refuse to use it or are using it incorrectly. This sounds like a personal problem to me.

 

[Liet]

Don't EVER use gold to purchase credits or (well, to a lesser extent) convert exp to Free Exp.

The devs are crafty fuckers and the rates to convert are ludicrous. Their system is explicitly designed to piss you off enough so that you spend gold without making you SO angry that you quit the game. It's ingenious.

 

[gamerguy2]

Just think if you spent $30 on the Lowe and 12 on crap for your IS7 then you would never have a credit issue. Bummer you couldn't metagame that.

Thats not the point. The point is I already have the best stuff, but am sick and tired of grinding my KV and other tanks. I refuse to pay for premium just to gain 50% extra to pay for repairs on my IS7.

I am not going to pay for both a Lowe and an IS7. Arty makes my neck hurt looking at the viewing angles lol. The loss of Clanmates and the frustration that we feel in the higher tiers is horrible. There is no other way to describe it. Im not going to veeg away my credits to play an extra tank company game. Im not going to waste time.

^The developers are TOO crafty its beginning to play like penny slots. Its going to turn the game into the next mmo failure. Bring on the imitators. Im ready to pay $50 dollars for a good sci-fi rip off of wot.

 

[Nintendesert]

I'll be honest, I like to convert xp into free xp. I hate grinding and a few bucks is worth all the time it saves me.

 

[PowerYoga]

Thats not the point. The point is I already have the best stuff, but am sick and tired of grinding my KV and other tanks. I refuse to pay for premium just to gain 50% extra to pay for repairs on my IS7.

You're bitching about devs designing the game around two constraints: spend time or spend money. You play the game for free and expect the devs to do what? Cater to the people like you who don't pay their salary? What makes you think you're entitled to anything without paying for it?

Get real. If I was a dev on their team I wouldn't give a shit about anything you say either.

Get a premium account or quit crying. Better yet, since you seem to hate the game you can do what you're saying and stop playing.

 

[Skott]

I don't feel the game fees are gross or excessive. Its a FTP game. To support the highest tier tanks, mainly T9 & T10, you are required to play lower tier tanks to get credits, which cost nothing but time of playing, to pay and support those highest tier tanks. Thats been the design since day one way back in beta.

Now to make some money for their development team and company they have this thing called Premium that costs gold. You'll basically pay anywhere from $10 to $14 a month, depending on which gold payment package you choose, for Premium. If you want Premium. You do not have to have Premium to play this game. Does Premium make it easier to get your tank? Sure it makes the grinding 50% faster. That is the carrot they dangle in front of you. But you don't need that carrot to grind if you do not want it. They also throw in some nice unusual tanks that also cost gold but you do not need them to make your grind go faster.

Considering the game is completely free to play or if you want to factor in Premium, which is $10 to $14 a month, I don't see this game as gross or excessive in cost. Even with Premium costs the game is still cheaper than many MMOs that are on the market.

You also get a third choice. Just quit. Spend your time and money, if you are spending any, elsewhere.

 

[gamerguy2]

You're bitching about devs designing the game around two constraints: spend time or spend money. You play the game for free and expect the devs to do what? Cater to the people like you who don't pay their salary? What makes you think you're entitled to anything without paying for it?

Get real. If I was a dev on their team I wouldn't give a shit about anything you say either.

Get a premium account or quit crying. Better yet, since you seem to hate the game you can do what you're saying and stop playing.

I am not arguing about whether its fair. You obviously didnt read my posts. I am refusing to renew my premium because of the system. The hours spent (and money. I stil have 6k gold sitting there. The anger came from at the end of my premium month I still had to spend 50 gold to keep playing one night before and since then I have been hearing on Teamspeak. I have to quit the company to grind etc.) They hear everything believe me. Marketing, research and they are raking in tons of cash. Their salaries (at least at the top) are paid for some time to come. Thanks for input on both sides. Hopefully the game will change. Listening to my clanmates etc. has ignited these posts. Also, the comment about winning a game with 6 kills is COMPLETELY true.

 

[PowerYoga]

I am not arguing about whether its fair. You obviously didnt read my posts. I am refusing to renew my premium because of the system. The hours spent (and money. I stil have 6k gold sitting there. The anger came from at the end of my premium month I still had to spend 50 gold to keep playing one night before and since then I have been hearing on Teamspeak. I have to quit the company to grind etc.) They hear everything believe me. Marketing, research and they are raking in tons of cash. Their salaries (at least at the top) are paid for some time to come. Thanks for input on both sides. Hopefully the game will change. Listening to my clanmates etc. has ignited these posts. Also, the comment about winning a game with 6 kills is COMPLETELY true.

Actually, I did read your posts and it's you whining about 6 different things ranging from ghost shots, how you don't want to farm credits to play your t10 and losing clan mates to a variety of reasons. You also don't want to buy a lowe and play arty. k.

In every mmorpg you have to grind to raid. You know, farming so you can afford pots, repairs, consumables? In this game the grind is made easier by having a premium account. You can't have your pie and eat it too. No MMORPGs out there do this, why should this? You're "angry about the system" when all I see is someone that doesn't want to farm and still wants to raid.

Also kills mean nothing, you should know that by now. If you did as much damage as you said you did (with a premium account) you should be making 30k + every match.

 

[stag3]

I'll be honest, I like to convert xp into free xp. I hate grinding and a few bucks is worth all the time it saves me.

same here, it's well worth the week or so of time for me not to have to grind for upgrades or the next tank

 

[Binky]

In every mmorpg you have to grind to raid. You know, farming so you can afford pots, repairs, consumables? In this game the grind is made easier by having a premium account. You can't have your pie and eat it too. No MMORPGs out there do this, why should this? You're "angry about the system" when all I see is someone that doesn't want to farm and still wants to raid.

Well...WOT is an MMO, not an MMORPG. Your point is still valid though.

Anybody who enjoys the mechanics of the game can still choose to play the lower tiers where its damn near impossible to lose credits on the average match. Yes, I realize that this is not the same as organized top tier clan battles.

 

[Merad]

For better or worse everything I've seen from the devs is that high tier costs/income are WAI. Don't hold your breath for a change...