Mmmmm, High Fructose Corn Syrup

[moshquerade]

do you have mexican food in NZ? must suck not having any corn tortillas.

 

[eits]

Right, because you finally found one study that had one instance of HFCS being worse than sucrose. You conveniently ignore the other results from that study that showed sucrose being worse. The only thing you can actually infer from the study is that consuming a sugar-infused drink along with gorging yourself on food is worse for your health than just gorging on food.

But, of course, the people pointing out the large amount of studies that do not show your claims, yeah, they're the close minded ones.

You keep harping on bias even after the studies have been posted in peer reviewed journals, and other studies have found the same thing. And let's not forget that you keep falling for stupid shit. Like when you took studies that were based on pure fructose as being able to prove that HFCS (most of which has less fructose than sucrose), is worse than sucrose. Or what about citing some Mercola "studies"? Or what about you trying to claim studies that only used HFCS somehow proved that HFCS is worse than sucrose? Then you of course ignored that the studies were feeding highly excessive (as in even people who eat incredibly unhealthy do not eat anywhere near that level) amounts of both high fat content and the HFCS drinks. The point being, the studies are not even attempting to infer anything about HFCS being worse than sucrose, but you keep trying to claim they do exactly that.

i ignored them because they were short-term studies. i kept arguing long-term results and all you had to offer was short-term studies done by corn lobby groups.

yeah, i posted a mercola study once before. i knew nothing of the guy, i just found a link that supported what i was saying. just because he's a loony doesn't mean my argument was. a clock, even though broken, still tells the right time two times out of the day.

 

[SunSamurai]

And who told you that? The same people that tell you that Formosa is a separate and independent region?

Besides, government run media is much better than the corporate run media. Corporations have no oversight, they will tell you whatever is best to keep the plutocrats in power. Government is much better because the government serves the people. If the government wasn't a proper representation of the people, then it wouldn't be in power. So obviously the Chinese media tells its people exactly what they need to know.

That doesnt make you sound brainwashed at all.

 

[eits]

Besides, government run media is much better than the corporate run media. Corporations have no oversight, they will tell you whatever is best to keep the plutocrats in power. Government is much better because the government serves the people. If the government wasn't a proper representation of the people, then it wouldn't be in power. So obviously the Chinese media tells its people exactly what they need to know.

hahaha

/thread

 

[Mike Gayner]

do you have mexican food in NZ? must suck not having any corn tortillas.

Huh? We have corn here. I had fresh corn last night which I cooked in the husk. It cost $0.60 for two.

 

[moshquerade]

Huh? We have corn here. I had fresh corn last night which I cooked in the husk. It cost $0.60 for two.

i asked about corn tortillas, and do you have Mexican food there?

 

[SunSamurai]

This thread is very corny
Like this joke.

 

[Mike Gayner]

It's only economical if you assume that other countries in the world, like Australia, are unable to figure out how to grow crops. Besides, you just undermined your entire argument. If your so-called "super"market has many foods that are common with American marketplaces but no HFCS, then obviously HFCS is not very common in American foods. Or perhaps they do have a lot of HFCS but you actually do not have any access to a proper array of products?

Sigh. I'm going to use small words so you'll understand. It was never my argument that all US food has hfcs. My argument is that almost no nz food does. Yes we have some 'american' food here, but it's never manufactured in America. Like our coke, all other American food here contains sugar, not hfcs.

(Typed on my mobile.)

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

do you have mexican food in NZ? must suck not having any corn tortillas.

FFS we do have friggen corn, it's just not our source of sugar. People have such bizarre ideas of what the world outside of USA is. Yes, we have Mexican food, although it's not as abundant here because we don't share a border with... Mexico. Or anyone for that matter

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Sigh. I'm going to use small words so you'll understand. It was never my argument that all US food has hfcs. My argument is that almost no nz food does. Yes we have some 'american' food here, but it's never manufactured in America. Like our coke, all other American food here contains sugar, not hfcs.

(Typed on my mobile.)

I'm going to go ahead and let you know that you really should ignore B2B's posts. He's an intentional troll trying (successfully) to get a rise out of you. He's been doing it to me for years, I've learned to ignore him, which isn't difficult as he never adds anything worthwhile to a conversation.

 

[Mike Gayner]

i asked about corn tortillas, and do you have Mexican food there?

What passes for Mexican food here is an embarrassment, with the exception of a couple of good restaurants. I haven't seen corn tortillas in the supermarket though I can order them online.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

I haven't seen corn tortillas in the supermarket though I can order them online.

What are the tortillas at the supermarket made of? Wheat?

 

[moshquerade]

FFS we do have friggen corn, it's just not our source of sugar. People have such bizarre ideas of what the world outside of USA is. Yes, we have Mexican food, although it's not as abundant here because we don't share a border with... Mexico. Or anyone for that matter

I realize you have corn. Mike told me he had a couple of ears last night. But you don't have an abundance of corn hence why I asked if you had other corn products like tortillas.

What passes for Mexican food here is an embarrassment, with the exception of a couple of good restaurants. I haven't seen corn tortillas in the supermarket though I can order them online.

I have a friend from NZ who says the same thing.

 

[moshquerade]

What are the tortillas at the supermarket made of? Wheat?

flour

iirc, and fyi, corn tortillas have about 1/2 the calories of flour tortillas

 

[Gibsons]

i ignored them because they were short-term studies. i kept arguing long-term results and all you had to offer was short-term studies done by corn lobby groups.

yeah, i posted a mercola study once before. i knew nothing of the guy, i just found a link that supported what i was saying. just because he's a loony doesn't mean my argument was. a clock, even though broken, still tells the right time two times out of the day.

The long term portion of the study you posted showed no difference between HFCS and sucrose.

 

[SunSamurai]

What are the tortillas at the supermarket made of? Wheat?

Flour?

(4min slow)

 

[ussfletcher]

I am a firm believer that HFCS is no good for consumption. When I was living out in California for 4 months last year I made a decision to try my best to avoid consuming HFCS. My diet was virtually identical to what it was before, just with alternative sweetening (natural sugar).. I even picked up the habit of drinking Splenda sweetened drinks instead of water (I almost never drink anything but water). Also I added quite a bit of social drinking.. Anyway, in 4 months I lost about 21 lbs... Say what you will about the studies, but I will forever be a believer.

 

[nageov3t]

I am a firm believer that HFCS is no good for consumption. When I was living out in California for 4 months last year I made a decision to try my best to avoid consuming HFCS. My diet was virtually identical to what it was before, just with alternative sweetening (natural sugar).. I even picked up the habit of drinking Splenda sweetened drinks instead of water (I almost never drink anything but water). Also I added quite a bit of social drinking.. Anyway, in 4 months I lost about 21 lbs... Say what you will about the studies, but I will forever be a believer.

what HFCS foods did you cut out and what did you replace them with?

 

[wrangler]

TBH ignorant idiots like you fuel my disdain for Americans because you constantly prove how stupid and unworldly the majority of you are.

How does a guy from China fuel your disdain for Americans? Methinks you hate just to hate. Maybe jealous? I wasn't aware that New Zealand had become such an epicenter for worldly affairs. Anyway, here's a little disdain your way...


As an RN familiar with chemistry, biology and nutrition, and also as an American who would like to weigh less than I do and not doom my children to a life of fat misery and poor health, I've read fairly extensively on HFCS. The evidence seems strong to me that it is indeed metabolized differently. Actually very similarl to alcohol but it also does other nasty nasty things in the liver that can lead to diabetes and heart problems.

BUT, we do all need to limit the amount of calories we recieve from ANY processed source with a majority coming from complex carbs with sensible intake of protein and fats with an eye towards limiting LDL's. Ooooh, how 'bout a thread on Transfats. That would be fun.

 

[SunSamurai]

I am a firm believer that HFCS is no good for consumption. When I was living out in California for 4 months last year I made a decision to try my best to avoid consuming HFCS. My diet was virtually identical to what it was before, just with alternative sweetening (natural sugar).. I even picked up the habit of drinking Splenda sweetened drinks instead of water (I almost never drink anything but water). Also I added quite a bit of social drinking.. Anyway, in 4 months I lost about 21 lbs... Say what you will about the studies, but I will forever be a believer.

Correlation is not causation.

 

[SunSamurai]

How does a guy from China fuel your disdain for Americans? Methinks you hate just to hate. Maybe jealous? I wasn't aware that New Zealand had become such an epicenter for worldly affairs. Anyway, here's a little disdain your way...

I lol'd pretty hard.

 

[ussfletcher]

what HFCS foods did you cut out and what did you replace them with?

Mostly breads, yogurts, canned foods, peanut butter, jellies, frozen entrees.

Sugar sweetened items have a very comparable calorie content as well.

 

[ussfletcher]

Correlation is not causation.

I agree that my experience isn't conclusive, but I believe that they are related :awe:

 

[Mike Gayner]

I realize you have corn. Mike told me he had a couple of ears last night. But you don't have an abundance of corn hence why I asked if you had other corn products like tortillas.

We don't have any shortage of corn products. I would estimate that the average NZ family eats corn, fresh or frozen, on at least a weekly basis. However, like USA, most of our corn crop goes to animal feed.

 

[SunSamurai]

Poor herbivores forced to eat corn.