Mmmmm, High Fructose Corn Syrup

[SunSamurai]

I'm sure they put more than actual sugar in there in Mexico.

 

[gaidensensei]

If I was in Mexico I'd be drinking tamarind anyway, screw soda!

 

[Born2bwire]

This is only true in USA. Like I said, I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've had something with HFCS in it.

No it's not. There are plenty of products that use it, they just use different terms for it. Anything like glucose syrup is high-fructose corn syrup.

 

[zinfamous]

Yesterday I found this in the International Foods aisle: (picture from Google)

I'm pretty sure it's the first thing I've tasted with HFCS in it - well done America, you have pleased me.

haha, international foods. How embarrassing

by the way, Hershey's has never made a chocolate product. It's always some mash of sugary paste (usually HFCS) and other solidifying agents, with artificial chocolate flavorings and food coloring.

welcome to the wonderful world of diabeetus!

 

[Iron Woode]

Pepsi in Canada uses HFCS. It's just not called HFCS in Canada. It's usually labeled something like Sugar/Glucose-Fructose.

that labeling indicates that either real sugar or HFCS is used.

 

[zinfamous]

HFCS is common in USA for two reasons: your corn industry is government subsidized (funny you don't see tea baggers pulling the "socialism" card on that one), and you have a tariff on sugar imports.

I just bought a vending machine lunch (I'm on campus on a Sunday, sue me). I have a packet of M&Ms that was manufactured in Australia and has no HFCS. I also have a bottle of Deep Spring fruit drink manufactured by Coca-Cola Amitil in Wellington, NZ which has no HFCS.

Why do you think this?

yup. It's absolutely immune to the market economy. it's gotten to the point that no corn grower would make a living without the subsidies, as they would lose money otherwise. That, and some 90% of the corn that is grown, is grown for processed products, and most of that is for animal feed. The dominant variety of corn is considered unpalatable for humans; even the farmers don't eat it, and few of them think that the direction the industry is going is quite bad. ...but they are literally paid to overproduce the crop, and make their living off of an uncompetitive....socialist program orchestrated by Nixon's Secretary of Agriculture in 1973 (Butz?).

Awesome.

King Corn.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1112115/

watch it.

 

[JulesMaximus]

OBESITY IS KING!!! Fat rules!!! Just ask Oprah...and Gabby Obesidiety...or whatever the fuck her name is.

 

[zinfamous]

I blame corrupt government letting shithole corporations like Monsanto patent life, among other things that get us corn crazed up here. Corn is cheap as fuck to farm so they put it in everything. Feeding cows it and letting them fester with ecoli.

it's not cheap to grow, actually. You'd go broke growing it without the subsidies....I think you have to start at a minimum of 1000 acres to turn a minimal profit.

what's cheap about corn is the market price that farmers get...

 

[SlitheryDee]

I bet it's good. I generally have no problem with HFCS.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Hershey's has never made a chocolate product.

Define chocolate.

 

[quikah]

I have a packet of M&Ms that was manufactured in Australia and has no HFCS.

M&Ms don't contain HFCS in the US either. I don't know of any candy bars in the US that use HFCS, except possibly the generic store brands.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

M&Ms don't contain HFCS in the US either. I don't know of any candy bars in the US that use HFCS, except possibly the generic store brands.

Oh ok, I ASSumed because some guy earlier in the thread said virtually everything had it

 

[nageov3t]

HFCS-phobes make me I lump them in with the people who are convinced that a packet of sweet and low or MSG in chinese food will give you cancer.

cookies and soda and candy in large quantities is going to make you fat regardless of whether or not it's made with real sugar or corn syrup.

cookies and soda and candy in moderation and combined with a healthy diet and exercise probably won't make you fat regardless of whether or not it's made with real sugar or corn syrup.

 

[zinfamous]

Define chocolate.

are you serious?

Chocolate can only be derived from the cacao bean. Most real chocolate manufacturing companies begin with the cacao bean. (As such, White "chocolate" isn't really chocolate, as it can't be made from the bean.)

Hershey's has been very successful avoiding any use of the actual bean...in the states, anyway. They are scoffed at just about anywhere else, as they are recognized as the anti-chocolate.

It's like those malt syrups that you can buy, cheaply, to make home brewed beer. It's not real grain malt, and the difference in taste and quality is astoundingly obvious.

 

[FelixDeCat]

HFCS-phobes make me I lump them in with the people who are convinced that a packet of sweet and low or MSG in chinese food will give you cancer.

cookies and soda and candy in large quantities is going to make you fat regardless of whether or not it's made with real sugar or corn syrup.

cookies and soda and candy in moderation and combined with a healthy diet and exercise probably won't make you fat regardless of whether or not it's made with real sugar or corn syrup.

You will join the anti HFCS parade and like it! :twisted:

 

[Born2bwire]

are you serious?

Chocolate can only be derived from the cacao bean. Most real chocolate manufacturing companies begin with the cacao bean. (As such, White "chocolate" isn't really chocolate, as it can't be made from the bean.)

Hershey's has been very successful avoiding any use of the actual bean...in the states, anyway. They are scoffed at just about anywhere else, as they are recognized as the anti-chocolate.

It's like those malt syrups that you can buy, cheaply, to make home brewed beer. It's not real grain malt, and the difference in taste and quality is astoundingly obvious.

So the cocoa butter and cocoa powder that Hershey uses is derived from.... corn?

 

[FelixDeCat]

The Hershey Company recently announced its new line of Cacao Reserve all-natural chocolate products made with real cacao.


The Cacao Reserve products include a chocolate bars, drinking cocoa and truffles with different concentrations of cacao. The chocolate bars are available in milk chocolate and milk chocolate with hazelnuts (35 percent cacao), extra dark chocolate (65 percent cacao) and extra dark with nibs -- the "heart" of the cacao bean -- with 65 percent cacao concentration.
Hershey's line of Cacao Reserve bars will eventually expand to include four additional "Country of Origin" bars, including the "Java, Indonesian" milk chocolate bar with 32 percent cacao and caramel flavors, the "Arriba" bar with 50 percent cacao and herbal flavors, the "Santo Domingo" bar with 67 percent cacao and spice and wine flavors, and the "Sao Tome" bar with 70 percent cacao.

The line includes two flavors of drinking cocoa -- the "Classic Mayan" blend and the "Mildly Spiced Aztec" blend -- that are both made with milk chocolate and natural cocoa, offering natural flavanol antioxidants.
Cacao Reserve also features milk and dark truffles made with real cacao. The bars will retail for $0.99 to $3.29, and boxes of drinking cocoa will sell for $1.98 to $2.49.
"While it's good to see the Hershey Company finally using real cacao in a line of chocolate products, consumers should be warned to watch out for other ingredients that may be present," explained Mike Adams, a consumer health advocate and author of The Seven Laws of Nutrition. "Eating a chocolate bar containing milk fats and refined sugars may nullify any health benefits provided by cacao," he said.

http://www.newstarget.com/020338.html

A good thread here:

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/393612

 

[Mike Gayner]

No it's not. There are plenty of products that use it, they just use different terms for it. Anything like glucose syrup is high-fructose corn syrup.

OK I'm not sure how clear I can be on this - nothing in my pantry has HFCS, even by another name. It's an American thing - it's not used here. Most things in my pantry have SUGAR in them, but here in NZ that means actual normal sucrose sugar, not HFCS.

 

[Fayd]

Yesterday I found this in the International Foods aisle: (picture from Google)

I'm pretty sure it's the first thing I've tasted with HFCS in it - well done America, you have pleased me.

my aunt lives in australia.

she LOVES HFCS based soda, says it tastes SO much better than cane sugar based soda... but can't get it in kangarooland.

i drink diet, so i dont know the difference. she probably should too..

 

[jersiq]

OK I'm not sure how clear I can be on this - nothing in my pantry has HFCS, even by another name. It's an American thing - it's not used here. Most things in my pantry have SUGAR in them, but here in NZ that means actual normal sucrose sugar, not HFCS.

Yes you do. LIAR!!!!

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

she LOVES HFCS based soda, says it tastes SO much better than cane sugar based soda... but can't get it in kangarooland.

:hmm: someone needs to send me some HFCS Coke. Or better yet, some Dr Pepper when the BC2 DLC comes out.

 

[SunSamurai]

They had some actual sugar coke or pepsi in the states for some kind of PR ploy. Let me tell you, the difference is minimal unless youre a soda/pop/whatthefuckever snob, and not many people want to admit that.

 

[Mike Gayner]

So is this like the holy grail for Americans?

BTW, I just looked through everything in my cupboard and found something with this in the ingredients list: Glucose syrup (from wheat)

:hmm: someone needs to send me some HFCS Coke. Or better yet, some Dr Pepper when the BC2 DLC comes out.

You can get USA coke at some asian supermarkets for some reason.

i drink diet, so i dont know the difference. she probably should too..

Same.

 

[zinfamous]

http://www.newstarget.com/020338.html

A good thread here:

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/393612

well, it only took them 70? years.

I'm wondering if these new products are made by Scharffenburger, a Berkeley-based premium chocolatier than they recently purchased (like...3 years ago, maybe?)

Eventually, people in the US realized that Hershey's /= chocolate, so the real chocolate industry has grown here over the previous decade+
Hard for Hershey's to not adopt the habits of real chocolate makers and remain competitive.

still doesn't mean I'll buy their products...

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

They had some actual sugar coke or pepsi in the states for some kind of PR ploy. Let me tell you, the difference is minimal unless youre a soda/pop/whatthefuckever snob, and not many people want to admit that.

This doesn't surprise me. The differences are mostly probably imagined, like people who are convinced that MSG makes them sick but they can eat tomatoes all day long. Or wine snobs who can't tell a $4 bottle from a $50 bottle in a blinded test.