Mmmmm, High Fructose Corn Syrup

[eits]

HCFS and regular sugar are both bad for you. It doesn't really matter...

regular sugar gets regulated a hell of a lot easier by your body and you can feel full sooner than you can with hfcs. it matters.

 

[SunSamurai]

HCFS and regular sugar are both bad for you. It doesn't really matter...

So is too much water or oxygen. Whats your point? If they are both bad for me, I choose real sugar thanks.

Odd coincidence I'm watching a lesson on genetics and as I was writing this post the chemical composition of sugar was being described

C6H12O6 ftw. :awe:

 

[ElFenix]

Can't get it here :\

seriously? that blows

 

[eits]

You troll almost as bad as Gayner. Am I really to believe that this is the first time he has ever seen American food products in his market? If so I weep for the food connoisseurs of Australia. Oreos, Kraft cheese, Snickers, these are the iconic American foods that you find all over the world for one reason, they are excellent food and people want to buy them. If people didn't like Hershey's chocolate syrup, they wouldn't buy it and Hershey's wouldn't market it in that area. If McDonald's is so horrible, then why is it everywhere around the world? I can't go a two blocks without running into a McDonald's, Pizza Hut, KFC, 7-11 or Circle K. There's even two or three Shakey's Pizza here but given the small number of locations perhaps they could take a page or two out of Pizza Hut's recipe book and get themselves some decent products. Gayner might try to deny it but American culture quickly roots itself into the local populace due to it's superior qualities. McDonald's is popular because it makes excellent food. American clothing is popular because it is sturdy, well made and fashionable. Hollywood and American television programs are popular because of the high quality production, acting, original material, and excellent writing. American pop music is the best because it resonates with people, always breaking new ground, and offers up a breath of fresh air in otherwise stagnant media markets. Heck, even great tasting American beer like Budweiser was the drink of choice at the party I was at the other night.

i most definitely don't troll anywhere near as bad as gayner. it gives me a bad taste in my mouth to even post in this thread, but the fact of the matter is that most of the world doesn't use hfcs. they don't have an over-abundance of corn to use, we do. that's why it's in everything.

and i'm sure they have kraft, oreo, etc in new zealand... they just don't use hfcs in their products. you actually think they make all that stuff here and export it to other countries? other countries have american factories on their land. it's called business. the coke manufacturers in new zealand don't use hfcs in their brewing of their sodas... they use sugar. they bottle/can it and package it and send it out to all the stores/vendors in the country. it's the same way they do it here, just over there.

mcdonald's, pizza hut, etc. have different sizes of their servings, different ingredients, and different kinds of food that they offer than the united states. why? because of demographics and demand. for example, this is an example of a large meal at a french mcdonald's. this too.

 

[nageov3t]

England has larger Cadbury Eggs than the US ><

 

[eits]

Velveeta, Cheeze Whiz and Freezer pizza's are sooooooooo 20th ceeeeeentury, Mmmmm yes only 3rd world countries would eat a vegetable that came right from the ground. I say we go around and make fun of everyone who eats a baked potato, don't they know a real American only eats freedom fries? /snob voice

lol

 

[Born2bwire]

they don't have an over-abundance of corn to use, we do.

So apparently you do not think that the rest of the world is capable of efficiently producing crops? Way to make an ASSumption there.

Of course the US exports food, like my Quaker brand oats and honey cereal was manufactured in Chicago or my SPAM from Minnesota.

The servings and food are the same, duh, I mean it wouldn't be McDonald's if it was different now would it? Mmmmmm.... I can go across the street and get me a delicious double quarter pounder with cheese value meal with a large strawberry shake. Doesn't get any better than that. Personally, I commend America for exporting their superior products so that the people around the world like us here in China can actually get decent products.

 

[gaidensensei]

So is too much water or oxygen. Whats your point? If they are both bad for me, I choose real sugar thanks.

Odd coincidence I'm watching a lesson on genetics and as I was writing this post the chemical composition of sugar was being described

C6H12O6 ftw. :awe:

Isn't that plant sugar though? Glucose.

Let's move up a notch, how's you feel about ingesting some C14H18N2O5? That's right, I didn't think so..

 

[Chaotic42]

So is this like the holy grail for Americans?

It tastes better. Some people can tell the difference, some people can't. I can drink way less sugar soda because it satisfies my sweet tooth. It's like HFCS doesn't register. I don't know.

As for the sugar importation, I never understood that. We can and do grow sugar right here in the US. I don't know that we'd need to import very much once we got rid of the corn subsidies and got sugar production going.

 

[eits]

So apparently you do not think that the rest of the world is capable of efficiently producing crops? Way to make an ASSumption there.

Of course the US exports food, like my Quaker brand oats and honey cereal was manufactured in Chicago or my SPAM from Minnesota.

The servings and food are the same, duh, I mean it wouldn't be McDonald's if it was different now would it? Mmmmmm.... I can go across the street and get me a delicious double quarter pounder with cheese value meal with a large strawberry shake. Doesn't get any better than that. Personally, I commend America for exporting their superior products so that the people around the world like us here in China can actually get decent products.

/facepalm

serving sizes are different in other countries than they are in the united states and the food they serve is different than it is in the united states. that's just how it is. see?

and, yes, we export stuff, primarily raw materials (like wheat, corn, etc), but when it comes to food products, most of them are made in other countries, even though they're american-owned companies. it's called outsourcing. for example, if i go and buy a toyota today, it was made in the united states... but toyota is a japanese company.

get it?

if not, then i can't help you.

 

[eits]

It tastes better. Some people can tell the difference, some people can't. I can drink way less sugar soda because it satisfies my sweet tooth. It's like HFCS doesn't register. I don't know.

As for the sugar importation, I never understood that. We can and do grow sugar right here in the US. I don't know that we'd need to import very much once we got rid of the corn subsidies and got sugar production going.

it's because sugar and hfcs have different ways of telling your body that you're full and doesn't need more sugar.

 

[Born2bwire]

/facepalm

serving sizes are different in other countries than they are in the united states and the food they serve is different than it is in the united states. that's just how it is.

and, yes, we export stuff, primarily raw materials (like wheat, corn, etc), but when it comes to food products, most of them are made in other countries, even though they're american-owned companies. it's called outsourcing. for example, if i go and buy a toyota today, it was made in the united states... but toyota is a japanese company.

get it?

if not, then i can't help you.

If Toyota wants to try and sell you fake Toyotas then that's your misfortune. But you should really try leaving America and seeing what the rest of the world is like. I'll give you a hint though, a McDonald's burger in China is the same as in America. Hell, even the beef here at McDonald's is American and you can't get any better beef than that.

 

[eits]

If Toyota wants to try and sell you fake Toyotas then that's your misfortune. But you should really try leaving America and seeing what the rest of the world is like. I'll give you a hint though, a McDonald's burger in China is the same as in America. Hell, even the beef here at McDonald's is American and you can't get any better beef than that.

lol, you've got to be kidding me...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_Toyota's_made_in_America
toyotas that are bought in the united states are made in the united states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_products_(international)
mcdonald's has a different menu for different countries.

now, please, stop arguing about things you don't know about.

 

[nageov3t]

lol, you've got to be kidding me...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_Toyota's_made_in_America
toyotas that are bought in the united states are made in the united states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_products_(international)
mcdonald's has a different menu for different countries.

now, please, stop arguing about things you don't know about.

different countries have a few regional offerings, but you'll also be able to get a big mac in any of them.

AFAIK, McD's uses regional suppliers for as much as it can and ships everything else so it's going to vary from country to country. I know that Russia just recently made the switch to being 100% local.

 

[eits]

different countries have a few regional offerings, but you'll also be able to get a big mac in any of them.

AFAIK, McD's uses regional suppliers for as much as it can and ships everything else so it's going to vary from country to country. I know that Russia just recently made the switch to being 100% local.

i didn't say you couldn't. i just said that they offer different things on their menus and that their serving sizes are different, most notably, their drink sizes.

 

[Born2bwire]

lol, you've got to be kidding me...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_Toyota's_made_in_America
toyotas that are bought in the united states are made in the united states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_products_(international)
mcdonald's has a different menu for different countries.

now, please, stop arguing about things you don't know about.

Don't know about? I live in China. I think I know a little more about what goes on in the world outside of the United States than you do. It's just obvious to me that you're not even trying to come up with valid arguments against my rebuttals. We're talking about the deficiencies of the Australian food market and you bring up stuff like how the rest of the world doesn't know how to grow corn or how Japan isn't able to produce its own cars. If I knew you hated the Japanese so much I wouldn't have bothered with my detailed attempts to educate you about how things really are.

You should try going to college or something, you could learn a lot about other cultures by being in such a diverse environment.

 

[SunSamurai]

Is that the same china that censors everything and only gives information to its people it wants to? The same china that is isolating itself? And you talk about knowing what other countries are doing.. please.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Isn't that plant sugar though? Glucose.

C6H12O6 is the molecular formula for every one of the literally dozens of hexoses possible.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Sure thing champ. Tell you what, when your country moves out of the 19th century and finally gets grocery stores a little more modern than what you currently have:

then you can finally learn what it's like to have a decent selection of foods and products. Until then, you are more than welcome to make up whatever bullshit you need to make yourself feel somehow insignificantly better than hundreds ofmillions of people who couldn't be half-assed to acknowledge that you exist.

Wow, what a moron. I actually have this huge supermarket very close to where I live - it has a huge range of foods, many of which are common to American markets. But almost nothing here has HFCS in it - believe it or not, outside the American market it's almost never used because it's totally uneconomical. And most of the American products we have are in fact not manufactured in America - our coke comes from Australia, where they use sugar, for example.

TBH ignorant idiots like you fuel my disdain for Americans because you constantly prove how stupid and unworldly the majority of you are.

 

[nageov3t]

Is that the same china that censors everything and only gives information to its people it wants to? The same china that is isolating itself? And you talk about knowing what other countries are doing.. please.

I'm pretty sure that Hong Kong isn't behind the mainland firewall?

 

[nageov3t]

if they had a way of extracting sugar from sheep, I bet it'd be as prevalent in NZ as corn syrup is in the US.

 

[Born2bwire]

Is that the same china that censors everything and only gives information to its people it wants to? The same china that is isolating itself? And you talk about knowing what other countries are doing.. please.

And who told you that? The same people that tell you that Formosa is a separate and independent region?

Besides, government run media is much better than the corporate run media. Corporations have no oversight, they will tell you whatever is best to keep the plutocrats in power. Government is much better because the government serves the people. If the government wasn't a proper representation of the people, then it wouldn't be in power. So obviously the Chinese media tells its people exactly what they need to know.

Wow, what a moron. I actually have this huge supermarket very close to where I live - it has a huge range of foods, many of which are common to American markets. But almost nothing here has HFCS in it - believe it or not, outside the American market it's almost never used because it's totally uneconomical. And most of the American products we have are in fact not manufactured in America - our coke comes from Australia, where they use sugar, for example.

TBH ignorant idiots like you fuel my disdain for Americans because you constantly prove how stupid and unworldly the majority of you are.

It's only economical if you assume that other countries in the world, like Australia, are unable to figure out how to grow crops. Besides, you just undermined your entire argument. If your so-called "super"market has many foods that are common with American marketplaces but no HFCS, then obviously HFCS is not very common in American foods. Or perhaps they do have a lot of HFCS but you actually do not have any access to a proper array of products?

 

[darkswordsman17]

that's because he's an arrogant doucher who doesn't know when to have an open mind. he'd rather believe short-term, biased research as gospel than to keep an open mind.

Right, because you finally found one study that had one instance of HFCS being worse than sucrose. You conveniently ignore the other results from that study that showed sucrose being worse. The only thing you can actually infer from the study is that consuming a sugar-infused drink along with gorging yourself on food is worse for your health than just gorging on food.

But, of course, the people pointing out the large amount of studies that do not show your claims, yeah, they're the close minded ones.

You keep harping on bias even after the studies have been posted in peer reviewed journals, and other studies have found the same thing. And let's not forget that you keep falling for stupid shit. Like when you took studies that were based on pure fructose as being able to prove that HFCS (most of which has less fructose than sucrose), is worse than sucrose. Or what about citing some Mercola "studies"? Or what about you trying to claim studies that only used HFCS somehow proved that HFCS is worse than sucrose? Then you of course ignored that the studies were feeding highly excessive (as in even people who eat incredibly unhealthy do not eat anywhere near that level) amounts of both high fat content and the HFCS drinks. The point being, the studies are not even attempting to infer anything about HFCS being worse than sucrose, but you keep trying to claim they do exactly that.

 

[Mike Gayner]

if they had a way of extracting sugar from sheep, I bet it'd be as prevalent in NZ as corn syrup is in the US.

The sheep industry isn't protected here like the corn industry is there. It can survive on its own merits. BTW interesting fact for you - the sheep industry here is insignificant compared with our dairy industry.

 

[eits]

Don't know about? I live in China. I think I know a little more about what goes on in the world outside of the United States than you do. It's just obvious to me that you're not even trying to come up with valid arguments against my rebuttals. We're talking about the deficiencies of the Australian food market and you bring up stuff like how the rest of the world doesn't know how to grow corn or how Japan isn't able to produce its own cars. If I knew you hated the Japanese so much I wouldn't have bothered with my detailed attempts to educate you about how things really are.

You should try going to college or something, you could learn a lot about other cultures by being in such a diverse environment.

haha

i've been to other countries. i have dual citizenship in iran and the united states.

australia != new zealand

they don't have a deficiency in their food market.

i have nothing against the japanese, lol. i have no idea where you got that idea. i was using cars as an example for you to understand that just because mcdonald's, pizza hut, snickers, etc. are american-based companies doesn't mean america export those products to different countries that sell their companies' products. you're having a hard time understanding that (which is odd, since you live in hong kong... you'd think you of all people would understand import/export vs business expansion and outsourcing).

i can just about guarantee you that i've had more schooling and education than you have. please don't attack me for showing you where you're wrong in your argument.