Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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ivwshane

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You mean the video that was officially released by the PD? Are you so out of touch with this case you don't know they officially released a video of the robbery Brown committed right before he was killed?

Was there an investigation done on the robbery? Were the witnesses interviewed? All I have seen is an incident report that basically narrated what was on the video.

And yes I could be out of touch with this case. I have no vested interest in it other than my desire for people to be given a fair trial. There has been a lot of leaks in this case and I haven't kept up with what has been proven factual or not. Have you seen me make a statement of fact about the details of this case?

I simply countered a posters comment that this case was over and the truth is out so long as you believe Wilson's version of events. I then proposed what I believe could have happened based on what I know. I got some details wrong that didn't affect how I believed the turn of events happened and I admitted I was wrong. People are claiming to know browns state of mind but are basing it on an incident that may or may not be allowed in court, therefore claiming to know browns state of mind to support Wilson's claims is rather weak, especially when other witnesses have a contradictory story.

If you wish to dismiss what I believed happen then provide some solid facts. Someone committing a "strong arm" robbery in the manner brown did is not a guarantee that he would physically confront an officer. Does that mean I think it's not possible? No, it's just means we don't have all the facts and that there is more than one possible turn of events.
 

CZroe

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Was there an investigation done on the robbery? Were the witnesses interviewed? All I have seen is an incident report that basically narrated what was on the video.

And yes I could be out of touch with this case. I have no vested interest in it other than my desire for people to be given a fair trial. There has been a lot of leaks in this case and I haven't kept up with what has been proven factual or not. Have you seen me make a statement of fact about the details of this case?

I simply countered a posters comment that this case was over and the truth is out so long as you believe Wilson's version of events. I then proposed what I believe could have happened based on what I know. I got some details wrong that didn't affect how I believed the turn of events happened and I admitted I was wrong. People are claiming to know browns state of mind but are basing it on an incident that may or may not be allowed in court, therefore claiming to know browns state of mind to support Wilson's claims is rather weak, especially when other witnesses have a contradictory story.

If you wish to dismiss what I believed happen then provide some solid facts. Someone committing a "strong arm" robbery in the manner brown did is not a guarantee that he would physically confront an officer. Does that mean I think it's not possible? No, it's just means we don't have all the facts and that there is more than one possible turn of events.
Your idea of a fair trial is one operating on the presumption that Wilson had to be doing something wrong/racist, which is plainly obvious when you describe your idiotic imagined version of the events as "most likely."
 

CZroe

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Any government who sends the innocent to prison to placate a mob needs to be removed even if it requires force. What you suggested cannot be allowed.

Yep. The thing is, we had charges brought in Sanford that never should have been filed but were to placate a mob. Then we had Eric Holder's Federal Dept of Justice threatening to file charges despite it being out of their jurisdiction. Why? Their mob of constituents didn't like the outcome and needed to be placated. If Obama had a son, he would look like Trayvon. <-mob pandering
 

ivwshane

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Your idea of a fair trial is one operating on the presumption that Wilson had to be doing something wrong/racist, which is plainly obvious when you describe your idiotic imagined version of the events as "most likely."

Lol! I guess if you say so! You can't argue with that stupidity!
 

Blanky

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Proven? That is doubtful.

In any event, won't this whole problem go away if we just throw Wilson in jail for a couple of years? Wouldn't it be worth it to avoid the rioting and mayhem? I get the feeling that the violence will never stop until we as a nation do something to punish Wilson (regardless of whether he did anything wrong or not).
The 13th century justice system called and says hi.
 

brianmanahan

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Proven? That is doubtful.

In any event, won't this whole problem go away if we just throw Wilson in jail for a couple of years? Wouldn't it be worth it to avoid the rioting and mayhem? I get the feeling that the violence will never stop until we as a nation do something to punish Wilson (regardless of whether he did anything wrong or not).

wow.

the justice system should not allow that to happen. if it did, that would be messed up (much like you are).
 
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Sulaco

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Proven? That is doubtful.

In any event, won't this whole problem go away if we just throw Wilson in jail for a couple of years? Wouldn't it be worth it to avoid the rioting and mayhem? I get the feeling that the violence will never stop until we as a nation do something to punish Wilson (regardless of whether he did anything wrong or not).

You have to be one of the most monumentally stupid people to post on this forum.

The things you say, if anything more than abject trolling, are so woefully ignorant and wrong-headed I truly feel sorry for you.

You are as big a punch line on these forum as McOwned. That's really saying something.
 

highland145

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You have to be one of the most monumentally stupid people to post on this forum.

The things you say, if anything more than abject trolling, are so woefully ignorant and wrong-headed I truly feel sorry for you.

You are as big a punch line on these forum as McOwned. That's really saying something.
I thought he was coming around after he realized conservatives aren't what's portrayed on msnbc.

Appears I was wrong.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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How about "any government who sends the innocent person to prison"...end of sentence?

Of course the sentiment covers more, but my response was to a specific post and context. If Wilson were to not be indicted I'd like to think you wouldn't support such an act.
 

HomerJS

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Of course the sentiment covers more, but my response was to a specific post and context. If Wilson were to not be indicted I'd like to think you wouldn't support such an act.

My point was the criminal justice systems affords more of a leeway to Wilson as opposed to Brown. I wish people would have more concern for equal treatment under the law.

The so called mobs are only calling for an indictment, not prison.
 

pcgeek11

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Proven? That is doubtful.

In any event, won't this whole problem go away if we just throw Wilson in jail for a couple of years? Wouldn't it be worth it to avoid the rioting and mayhem? I get the feeling that the violence will never stop until we as a nation do something to punish Wilson (regardless of whether he did anything wrong or not).

That is by far and away the stupidest thing I have ever seen anyone post on here!

" Regardless of whether he did anything wrong or not. "

Really? You cannot be serious.
 

pcgeek11

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Jesus Christ, at least pretend to throw him in jail. You can let him out when everybody is distracted. This doesn't look like its gonna end well.

Damn, You have this " Justice" thing all figured out don't you? Doubling down on your other post.
 

compuwiz1

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That is by far and away the stupidest thing I have ever seen anyone post on here!

" Regardless of whether he did anything wrong or not. "

Really? You cannot be serious.

I guess he expects Officer Wilson to just take one for the team, you know, trade one loss for the common good. I wonder if he intends to be one of the silver backs who help burn down the city and break shit? Yes I said silver backs. People who act like fucking Gorillas are not human beings.....they're animals.

Yes, you said silver backs. You seem proud of that. We're not.

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cubby1223

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My point was the criminal justice systems affords more of a leeway to Wilson as opposed to Brown. I wish people would have more concern for equal treatment under the law.
Do you even know what equal treatment means? Has anything that has gone on since the incident been fair to anyone? Mobs cannot commit unjust acts against whomever they decide should be a target, being supported by others for, you tell me why you support them. A lot more has taken place than simply people standing around in pursuit of truth and hoping for justice.

The so called mobs are only calling for an indictment, not prison.
I strongly disagree. Were the mobs satisfied with a not-guilty verdict in the Zimmerman trial? No.

The perception amongst many around Ferguson (and it's been repeated by several in this thread too) is that the police patrol the streets intentionally hunting blacks. (In the Zimmerman case, the perception was Florida gun owners were hunting blacks, and the SYG law was purposefully created to legalize the hunting of blacks) There is a massive perception gap between them and the rest of the world. This perception gap doesn't get resolved with a not-guilty verdict. The gap doesn't get resolved with a guilty verdict either. So... what exactly is happening? What is the purpose of the violence that is accompanying the "peaceful protests"? What are they protesting? Are they trying to open the world's eyes to how they are being hunted because of their skin color? It ain't gonna happen. It's not the truth.
 
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norseamd

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I guess he expects Officer Wilson to just take one for the team, you know, trade one loss for the common good. I wonder if he intends to be one of the silver backs who help burn down the city and break shit? Yes I said silver backs. People who act like fucking Gorillas are not human beings.....they're animals.

You fail at basic biology.
 

compuwiz1

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You fail at basic biology.

Right.....

You must be a red assed baboon. You completely missed my point. People acting like.....
That community can't have nice things when people act like that. Serious behavioral issues going on.
 

Londo_Jowo

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My point was the criminal justice systems affords more of a leeway to Wilson as opposed to Brown. I wish people would have more concern for equal treatment under the law.

The so called mobs are only calling for an indictment, not prison.

In order to indict the grand jury should have sufficient evidence a crime has taken place. If not, they should return a "No Bill" decision. What the mob wants should have zero bearing on their decision.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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My point was the criminal justice systems affords more of a leeway to Wilson as opposed to Brown. I wish people would have more concern for equal treatment under the law.

The so called mobs are only calling for an indictment, not prison.

Wilson is getting the same "leeway" that you, Brown, or anyone else would get. Londo correctly points out that the mob, which would include you perhaps, do not get to determine procedure or the standard for which indictments are handed out. Imagine if someone accused you of a crime, but a grand jury said there was insufficient basis for a trial. You'd be glad you had your rights, but then someone says "hey let's ignore that and make him risk his freedom anyway". At that point the entire system of legal protection that you also enjoy is gone, and you'd sacrifice it, if you are part of the mob.
 
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norseamd

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Well, I agree it says quite a lot about Brown at that particular moment in time, likely including when he had his run-in with Brown. I think though that this has been vastly overplayed. Lots of people have done things which are stupid and even evil when high. The totality of a person is not one afternoon, and while I'm not at all buying the witness' story that Brown was ministering to his soul and merely took a short break to rob a convenience store before returning, neither do I think this necessarily makes Brown a thug. It says something about Brown; it does not say everything about Brown.

This. Everything.