Moonbeam: That post of mine was a joke showing how you can easily take out sentences of a speech/essay and take them TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEX and make your own conclusion.
cwjerome: The speech says:
When you read some of the graphic descriptions of what has occurred here -- I almost
hesitate to put them in the record, and yet they have to be added to this debate. Let me read to you
what one FBI agent saw. And I quote from his report:
On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and
foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water. Most times they urinated
or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18-24 hours or more. On one
occasion, the air conditioning had been turned down so far and the temperature was so
cold in the room, that the barefooted detainee was shaking with cold....On another
occasion, the [air conditioner] had been turned off, making the temperature in the
unventilated room well over 100 degrees. The detainee was almost unconscious on the
floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out
throughout the night. On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot,
but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day
before, with the detainee chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the tile floor.
If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what
Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
He is saying that if you heard about this being done to prisoners you would think that the government holding these prisoners would have no concern for human beings, like the Nazis, Soviets, or some other mad regime. But these actions have been done by the US. That is what he is saying and if you can't see it your an idiot.
When you call the left closed minded you better have an open mind yourself or you will come off as a blubbering fool.
Tastes Like Chicken: Here is what you said:
He compared our troops to Nazis, Soviets gulag guards, and Pol Pot's regime. He mentioned them specifically. He also equated the captivity of Japanese Americans to that of the Islamofascists. I bet Japanese Americans just love that characterization.
Read above about the nazis.
About the comparison of the captivity of Japanese Americans and Gitmo:
Excerpt from Durbin's speech
a country in fear after being attacked decided one way to protect America was to gather together Japanese Americans and literally imprison them, put them in internment camps for fear they would be traitors and turn on the United States. We did that. Thousands of lives were changed. Thousands of businesses destroyed. Thousands of people, good American citizens, who happened to be of Japanese ancestry, were treated like common criminals.
It took almost 40 years for us to acknowledge that we were wrong, to admit that these people should never have been imprisoned. It was a shameful period in American history and one that very few, if any, try to defend today.
I believe the torture techniques that have been used at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and
other places fall into that same category. I am confident, sadly confident, as I stand here, that decades from now people will look back and say: What were they thinking? America, this great, kind leader of a nation, treated people who were detained and imprisoned, interrogated people in the crudest way? I am afraid this is going to be one of the bitter legacies of the invasion of Iraq.
His is in no way saying that the Japanese were like the Islomofacists. He is saying that both of these events Gitmo and the interment camps will be regrettable for the US, as the interment camps are and Gitmo will be.
How about we talk about this:
Another excerpt:
After the President decided to ignore Geneva Conventions, the administration unilaterally created a new detention policy. They claim the right to seize anyone, including even American citizens, anywhere in the world, including in the United States, and hold them until the end of the war on terrorism, whenever that may be.
For example, they have even argued in court they have the right to indefinitely detain an elderly lady from Switzerland who writes checks to what she thinks is a charity that helps orphans but actually is a front that finances terrorism.
Does anyone here think that the administration should be able to just ignore court rulings and do what ever they want?
How about the new detention policy? It would seem brain washed TastesLikeChicken and cwjerome have nothing to worry about. but the rest of us how would you like to just be arrested as a "suspected" terrorist and have all your rights taken away. This certainly doesn't sound it should be happening in america.
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