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BBond

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Wow, truth hurts to the OP...

His whole speech

The left is not concerned with truth today. They are too busy on their smear campaign and making themselves look like doddering idiots in the process to wield any truth.



The Left thinks they're concerned with truth. Truth just happens to be whatever fuels their flames. For them, truth is whatever they agree with.

Third Reich, gulags, religious facists, Hitler, Pol Pot, faked 9/11, OBL's a puppet, etc etc (oh, and Howard Dean)..... Their "truth" is Comedy Central material. The slow burn of the Dems is reaching critical mass.

An example of the truth the "left" is concerned with.

Where is the WMD?

Illegal aggression and occupation.

Conspiracy.

War crimes.

Taxpayer financed propaganda.

White House exposing an agent under NonOfficial Cover.

Feel free to add more to the list. There is so much more to add. And I suspect we'll continue to have a steady supply.


 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Wow, truth hurts to the OP...

His whole speech

The left is not concerned with truth today. They are too busy on their smear campaign and making themselves look like doddering idiots in the process to wield any truth.



The Left thinks they're concerned with truth. Truth just happens to be whatever fuels their flames. For them, truth is whatever they agree with.

Third Reich, gulags, religious facists, Hitler, Pol Pot, faked 9/11, OBL's a puppet, etc etc (oh, and Howard Dean)..... Their "truth" is Comedy Central material. The slow burn of the Dems is reaching critical mass.

An example of the truth the "left" is concerned with.

Where is the WMD?

Illegal aggression and occupation.

Conspiracy.

War crimes.

Taxpayer financed propaganda.

White House exposing an agent under NonOfficial Cover.

Feel free to add more to the list. There is so much more to add. And I suspect we'll continue to have a steady supply.

Lying to Congress.

Solicitation of male prostitute.

 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Wow, truth hurts to the OP...

His whole speech

The left is not concerned with truth today. They are too busy on their smear campaign and making themselves look like doddering idiots in the process to wield any truth.



The Left thinks they're concerned with truth. Truth just happens to be whatever fuels their flames. For them, truth is whatever they agree with.

Third Reich, gulags, religious facists, Hitler, Pol Pot, faked 9/11, OBL's a puppet, etc etc (oh, and Howard Dean)..... Their "truth" is Comedy Central material. The slow burn of the Dems is reaching critical mass.

An example of the truth the "left" is concerned with.

Where is the WMD?

Illegal aggression and occupation.

Conspiracy.

War crimes.

Taxpayer financed propaganda.

White House exposing an agent under NonOfficial Cover.

Feel free to add more to the list. There is so much more to add. And I suspect we'll continue to have a steady supply.

:thumbsup:

Things the righties are concerned with:

None of the above.

Good post.

 

cwjerome

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"An example of the truth the "left" is concerned with.

Where is the WMD?
Illegal aggression and occupation.
Conspiracy.
War crimes.
Taxpayer financed propaganda.
White House exposing an agent under NonOfficial Cover."
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lol, uh no, you seekers of the light have ALREADY DECIDED THE TRUTH in those matters. You people are so wrapped in in your hateful little worlds you wouldn't know truth if it flew up your @ss.
 
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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Here's yet another case of irrational overstatement and moral equivalency from the left. This time it comes from the #2 Democrat in the Senate and boy Illinois sure must be proud of themselves for voting this oaf into office.

http://insider.washingtontimes.com/arti...rmal.php?StoryID=20050616-121815-1827r

The Senate's No. 2 Democrat has compared the U.S. military's treatment of a suspected al Qaeda terrorist at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay with the regimes of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Pol Pot, three of history's most heinous dictators, whose regimes killed millions.
In a speech on the Senate floor late Tuesday, Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, castigated the American military's actions by reading an e-mail from an FBI agent.

The agent complained to higher-ups that one al Qaeda suspect was chained to the floor, kept in an extremely cold air-conditioned cell and forced to hear loud rap music. The Justice Department is investigating. ...

After reading the e-mail, Mr. Durbin said, "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Mr. Durbin also likened the treatment of terror suspects at the prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision to authorize the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

"It took us almost 40 years for us to acknowledge that we were wrong, to admit that these people should never have been imprisoned. It was a shameful period in American history," Mr. Durbin said. "I believe the torture techniques that have been used at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and other places fall into that same category."
So let's see here. He's comparing our soldiers at Gitmo to Nazi stormtroopers, dredging up the old "galug" reference for another gulp of air, and claiming that it the equivalent of the Killing Fields too. Not only that, but he's comparing American citizens detained on the basis of their ethnicity to Islamofascist terrorists. I'm sure the survivors of the Japanese internment camps love being lumped into that pile.

What is it with these crazy politiciians named Richard? Both sides have them. I propose a new law - No more Dicks in politics.


So I read the speech and you have no idea what the fvck you are talking about. So my advise to you, stop acting like the average right politician, where the facts aren't the main issue its how you can change them to better suit you.

Edit: Strike right politician, replace with nazi
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Wow, truth hurts to the OP...

His whole speech

The left is not concerned with truth today. They are too busy on their smear campaign and making themselves look like doddering idiots in the process to wield any truth.

Coming from someone who takes almost every oppportunity that comes up to smear the left, I find that rather amusing. :D
I don't see you complaining about those who take every opportunity to smear the right. If I really wanted to smear the left at every opportunity, I could go recruit a bunch of fringe righties to join this forum, pump out numerous new topics every day about the oafishness of the left, and then let the right peanut gallery contribute snide and trite little remarks...exactly like the predominate lefties act in here.

You must have stayed up too late last night. I was amused by stratment, not complaining about it. Don't you tire of twisting other peoples words??

I just have to know what you think. How long do we detain these people?? What is you suggestion of what to do with them??
I don't know. What do we do with an enemy that doesn't operate under the Geneva convention in the first place? Why should we have to claim the GC applies in their case when it so obviously doesn't?[/quote]

It doesn't matter about the GC. I never even mentioned it. Again with the twisting of the words. I asked YOU what you think we should with them? Do you have an idea or are you just smearing the left?

 
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Examples of the truth the "left" do not seem to be concerned with:

Genocide in Darfur

The advance of Islamofascism around the world

UNSCAM

The democratic vote buying scandal in East St. Louis

The economic burden of entitlement programs

Lies by liberal media talking heads

The theft and destruction of secret documents concerning Clinton

And the list goes on...

 

cwjerome

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Originally posted by: Stratago
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Here's yet another case of irrational overstatement and moral equivalency from the left. This time it comes from the #2 Democrat in the Senate and boy Illinois sure must be proud of themselves for voting this oaf into office.

http://insider.washingtontimes.com/arti...rmal.php?StoryID=20050616-121815-1827r

The Senate's No. 2 Democrat has compared the U.S. military's treatment of a suspected al Qaeda terrorist at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay with the regimes of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Pol Pot, three of history's most heinous dictators, whose regimes killed millions.
In a speech on the Senate floor late Tuesday, Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, castigated the American military's actions by reading an e-mail from an FBI agent.

The agent complained to higher-ups that one al Qaeda suspect was chained to the floor, kept in an extremely cold air-conditioned cell and forced to hear loud rap music. The Justice Department is investigating. ...

After reading the e-mail, Mr. Durbin said, "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Mr. Durbin also likened the treatment of terror suspects at the prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision to authorize the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

"It took us almost 40 years for us to acknowledge that we were wrong, to admit that these people should never have been imprisoned. It was a shameful period in American history," Mr. Durbin said. "I believe the torture techniques that have been used at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and other places fall into that same category."
So let's see here. He's comparing our soldiers at Gitmo to Nazi stormtroopers, dredging up the old "galug" reference for another gulp of air, and claiming that it the equivalent of the Killing Fields too. Not only that, but he's comparing American citizens detained on the basis of their ethnicity to Islamofascist terrorists. I'm sure the survivors of the Japanese internment camps love being lumped into that pile.

What is it with these crazy politiciians named Richard? Both sides have them. I propose a new law - No more Dicks in politics.


So I read the speech and you have no idea what the fvck you are talking about. So my advise to you, stop acting like the average right politician, where the facts aren't the main issue its how you can change them to better suit you.

Edit: Strike right politician, replace with nazi


Ewwwww look, another Nazi reference. You go stud. Pretty soon you'll have outrageous strands of slobber hanging to your knees and trying to throw your own excrement at others. Go Dems!
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: Stratago
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Here's yet another case of irrational overstatement and moral equivalency from the left. This time it comes from the #2 Democrat in the Senate and boy Illinois sure must be proud of themselves for voting this oaf into office.

http://insider.washingtontimes.com/arti...rmal.php?StoryID=20050616-121815-1827r

The Senate's No. 2 Democrat has compared the U.S. military's treatment of a suspected al Qaeda terrorist at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay with the regimes of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Pol Pot, three of history's most heinous dictators, whose regimes killed millions.
In a speech on the Senate floor late Tuesday, Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, castigated the American military's actions by reading an e-mail from an FBI agent.

The agent complained to higher-ups that one al Qaeda suspect was chained to the floor, kept in an extremely cold air-conditioned cell and forced to hear loud rap music. The Justice Department is investigating. ...

After reading the e-mail, Mr. Durbin said, "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Mr. Durbin also likened the treatment of terror suspects at the prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision to authorize the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

"It took us almost 40 years for us to acknowledge that we were wrong, to admit that these people should never have been imprisoned. It was a shameful period in American history," Mr. Durbin said. "I believe the torture techniques that have been used at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and other places fall into that same category."
So let's see here. He's comparing our soldiers at Gitmo to Nazi stormtroopers, dredging up the old "galug" reference for another gulp of air, and claiming that it the equivalent of the Killing Fields too. Not only that, but he's comparing American citizens detained on the basis of their ethnicity to Islamofascist terrorists. I'm sure the survivors of the Japanese internment camps love being lumped into that pile.

What is it with these crazy politiciians named Richard? Both sides have them. I propose a new law - No more Dicks in politics.


So I read the speech and you have no idea what the fvck you are talking about. So my advise to you, stop acting like the average right politician, where the facts aren't the main issue its how you can change them to better suit you.

Edit: Strike right politician, replace with nazi


Ewwwww look, another Nazi reference. You go stud. Pretty soon you'll have outrageous strands of slobber hanging to your knees and trying to throw your own excrement at others. Go Dems!

So, I'll ask you too. What is your plan? What are we going to do with those prisoners, lock them up forever?
 

cwjerome

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: Stratago
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Here's yet another case of irrational overstatement and moral equivalency from the left. This time it comes from the #2 Democrat in the Senate and boy Illinois sure must be proud of themselves for voting this oaf into office.

http://insider.washingtontimes.com/arti...rmal.php?StoryID=20050616-121815-1827r

The Senate's No. 2 Democrat has compared the U.S. military's treatment of a suspected al Qaeda terrorist at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay with the regimes of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Pol Pot, three of history's most heinous dictators, whose regimes killed millions.
In a speech on the Senate floor late Tuesday, Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, castigated the American military's actions by reading an e-mail from an FBI agent.

The agent complained to higher-ups that one al Qaeda suspect was chained to the floor, kept in an extremely cold air-conditioned cell and forced to hear loud rap music. The Justice Department is investigating. ...

After reading the e-mail, Mr. Durbin said, "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Mr. Durbin also likened the treatment of terror suspects at the prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision to authorize the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

"It took us almost 40 years for us to acknowledge that we were wrong, to admit that these people should never have been imprisoned. It was a shameful period in American history," Mr. Durbin said. "I believe the torture techniques that have been used at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and other places fall into that same category."
So let's see here. He's comparing our soldiers at Gitmo to Nazi stormtroopers, dredging up the old "galug" reference for another gulp of air, and claiming that it the equivalent of the Killing Fields too. Not only that, but he's comparing American citizens detained on the basis of their ethnicity to Islamofascist terrorists. I'm sure the survivors of the Japanese internment camps love being lumped into that pile.

What is it with these crazy politiciians named Richard? Both sides have them. I propose a new law - No more Dicks in politics.


So I read the speech and you have no idea what the fvck you are talking about. So my advise to you, stop acting like the average right politician, where the facts aren't the main issue its how you can change them to better suit you.

Edit: Strike right politician, replace with nazi


Ewwwww look, another Nazi reference. You go stud. Pretty soon you'll have outrageous strands of slobber hanging to your knees and trying to throw your own excrement at others. Go Dems!

So, I'll ask you too. What is your plan? What are we going to do with those prisoners, lock them up forever?


Oh, I have my ideas... and I don't think the Bush admin has gone about this the right way either.

I just have this thing where I don't become delirious with partisan hate and vomit the same absurdities over, and over, and over, and over, and over.........
 
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Originally posted by: cwjerome


Ewwwww look, another Nazi reference. You go stud. Pretty soon you'll have outrageous strands of slobber hanging to your knees and trying to throw your own excrement at others. Go Dems!

The Nazi comment was more directed at the quote in the OP. The twisting of facts in order to reap the benifits is a practice in which Hitler acceled.

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Examples of the truth the "left" do not seem to be concerned with:

Genocide in Darfur

The advance of Islamofascism around the world

UNSCAM

The democratic vote buying scandal in East St. Louis

The economic burden of entitlement programs

Lies by liberal media talking heads

The theft and destruction of secret documents concerning Clinton

And the list goes on...

I'm not too sure what the right has done about the Genocide they decided to go into Iraq. Economically I'm not sure Bush has done anything at all to help out the country. He is focusing on minor topics, S.S., in order to disctract from the real problems, accumulating debt.
Liberal media, where would that be.
Of course the left isnt concerned with the theft and destruction of secret documents concerning Clinton. I doubt you would even listen to evidence that Bush is a fraud, but I don't know you so I won't make any conclusions.
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: Stratago
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Here's yet another case of irrational overstatement and moral equivalency from the left. This time it comes from the #2 Democrat in the Senate and boy Illinois sure must be proud of themselves for voting this oaf into office.

http://insider.washingtontimes.com/arti...rmal.php?StoryID=20050616-121815-1827r

The Senate's No. 2 Democrat has compared the U.S. military's treatment of a suspected al Qaeda terrorist at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay with the regimes of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Pol Pot, three of history's most heinous dictators, whose regimes killed millions.
In a speech on the Senate floor late Tuesday, Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, castigated the American military's actions by reading an e-mail from an FBI agent.

The agent complained to higher-ups that one al Qaeda suspect was chained to the floor, kept in an extremely cold air-conditioned cell and forced to hear loud rap music. The Justice Department is investigating. ...

After reading the e-mail, Mr. Durbin said, "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Mr. Durbin also likened the treatment of terror suspects at the prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision to authorize the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

"It took us almost 40 years for us to acknowledge that we were wrong, to admit that these people should never have been imprisoned. It was a shameful period in American history," Mr. Durbin said. "I believe the torture techniques that have been used at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and other places fall into that same category."
So let's see here. He's comparing our soldiers at Gitmo to Nazi stormtroopers, dredging up the old "galug" reference for another gulp of air, and claiming that it the equivalent of the Killing Fields too. Not only that, but he's comparing American citizens detained on the basis of their ethnicity to Islamofascist terrorists. I'm sure the survivors of the Japanese internment camps love being lumped into that pile.

What is it with these crazy politiciians named Richard? Both sides have them. I propose a new law - No more Dicks in politics.


So I read the speech and you have no idea what the fvck you are talking about. So my advise to you, stop acting like the average right politician, where the facts aren't the main issue its how you can change them to better suit you.

Edit: Strike right politician, replace with nazi


Ewwwww look, another Nazi reference. You go stud. Pretty soon you'll have outrageous strands of slobber hanging to your knees and trying to throw your own excrement at others. Go Dems!

So, I'll ask you too. What is your plan? What are we going to do with those prisoners, lock them up forever?


Oh, I have my ideas... and I don't think the Bush admin has gone about this the right way either.

I just have this thing where I don't become delirious with partisan hate and vomit the same absurdities over, and over, and over, and over, and over.........

Without expressing any ideas of what to do with these people, you are as guilty of "partisan hate" as anybody else.

For Christ's sake, even Saddam is going to get his day in court. What are we going to do about these prisoners and when are we going to do it??
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Wow, truth hurts to the OP...

His whole speech

The left is not concerned with truth today. They are too busy on their smear campaign and making themselves look like doddering idiots in the process to wield any truth.

Coming from someone who takes almost every oppportunity that comes up to smear the left, I find that rather amusing. :D

I just have to know what you think. How long do we detain these people?? What is you suggestion of what to do with them??

Bah, they get RICE PILAF!! Well, that settles it, doesn't it?

Apparently the right has no plan.
 

BBond

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Let's take a look at what the Republicans refer to as "truth," courtesy of Sidney Blumenthal, and the Republican goals, "To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace."

Bwahaf'ingha

A Broken Body

By Sidney Blumenthal
Salon.com

Thursday 16 June 2005

Under DeLay's leadership, the work of the House has become trivial, and corruption cannot be investigated, much less rebuked.


The House of Representatives of the 109th Congress suffers the classic symptoms of a decadent ancien régime. It seems an eon ago that the Republicans swept into power in 1994, after 40 years in the wilderness, on a "Contract With America" whose preamble promised: "To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace."

Day by day, week by week, spectacles unfold in its august chambers revealing new incidents of corruption, unaccountability and chaos. The Republican clamor for "democratic deliberation" faded long ago, even as a distant echo, as the screws of centralized power constantly tightened. The Democrats have been prevented from debating legislation, attaching amendments and participating in conferences. Any gesture at dissent is gaveled out of order. Republican members too have been relegated to the sidelines, rubber-stamping what the leadership dictates.

"Gutless chicken sh*t," Tom DeLay shouted seven years ago at questions about his ethics violations. Today, the Republican majority leader frantically maneuvers to quash any investigation by the House ethics committee into three foreign trips paid for by his close friend, lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who is himself under a Department of Justice probe for fleecing Indian tribes of tens of millions of dollars. (It is illegal for members of Congress to accept foreign trips from lobbyists.)

Since the House has been in session this year, the ethics committee has met for exactly one day. On that day, in May, it decided under intense public pressure to reverse its fail-safe scheme to thwart any investigation of DeLay. The committee had announced rules by which a deadlock would lead to dismissal of any charge. Because the committee is the only one equally divided between majority and minority members, a deadlock was guaranteed, and so therefore was DeLay's escape.

But last week DeLay designed a new device to frustrate an investigation. The rules of the committee stipulate that its staff must be nonpartisan. However, another rule allows the chairman and the ranking minority member to each appoint a staff member without the other's approval. Rep. Doc Hastings, R-Wash., the chairman, seized upon that rule to name his longtime chief of staff as director of the committee. With that he succeeded in throwing a monkey wrench into the works. Predictably, the Democrats protested, the process ground to a halt, and unless it is somehow unstuck, the investigation of DeLay has been stalled indefinitely.

Although it is DeLay's tactics that have paralyzed the ethics committee, he blames the Democrats for the consequences of his own actions. "They don't want an ethics committee," DeLay complained. "They would like to drag this out and have me and others before the ethics committee in an election year." Hastings, for his part, has been exposed as having his own web of relationships with Abramoff, who boasted to a client that his ties to Hastings were "excellent."

So long as the ethics committee is in effect defunct, it cannot investigate any new cases, such as that involving Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., which emerged in the last week. Cunningham, an influential member of the House defense appropriations subcommittee, has helped a certain defense contractor named Mitchell Wade and his company, MZM Inc., win tens of millions of dollars in contracts. In 2003, Wade paid Cunningham $2.55 million for his house in Rancho Santa Fe, Calif. Wade resold it for a price that was $700,000 less than he paid Cunningham. The discrepancy suggested a neat and deliberate overpayment, having the appearance of a bribe. The real estate agent, however, stated that $2.55 million was a fair price. But then it developed that she and two of her family members had made 18 financial contributions to Cunningham's campaigns, totaling $11,500 since 1997. Under usual circumstances in the past, Cunningham's gamey situation would have been taken up by the ethics committee. But for all intents and purposes there is no ethics committee. Corruption cannot be acknowledged, much less investigated and rebuked.

While DeLay was orchestrating the latest plot turn in the ethics committee, Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., continued his chairmanship of the Judiciary Committee as circus act. On June 10, he presided over a morning's hearing on the PATRIOT Act of witnesses invited by the Democratic minority. It was the one occasion the Democrats were allowed under the rules to give critics an official forum on the bill up for renewal. Sensenbrenner, whose routine demeanor is peeved and bilious, was on a hair trigger. He did not permit the ranking Democrat, Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., to finish his opening statement. He refused to recognize Democrats on their points of order. Finally, he declared the hearings over. "Much of what has been stated is not irrelevant," he announced. "Point of order," said Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas. "No, I will not yield," said Sensenbrenner. He cut off the microphones of Democrats as their words hung in the air: "Will the gentleman yield?" and "Point of order, Mr. Chairman." Sensenbrenner stormed out the door.

Sensenbrenner's highhandedness was hardly exceptional. This spring he barred Democrats from consultation on legislation that made drivers' licenses national identification cards -- in effect backdoor immigration legislation that could lead to sweeps against illegal immigrants with licenses. Indeed, no hearings whatsoever were held before the bill's passage.

At the same time, in April, Sensenbrenner rammed through a bill called the Child Interstate Notification Act, which applies federal criminal penalties to adults aiding and abetting minors who leave a state that imposes parental notification laws to get an abortion in another state. When Democrats on the Judiciary Committee submitted amendments, Sensenbrenner and his staff rewrote their captions in the official record without informing them. In every case, Sensenbrenner's language presented Democrats as defending "sexual predators." One caption of an amendment by Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., for example, read: "Mr. Nadler offered an amendment that would have exempted sexual predators from prosecution under the bill if they were grandparents or adult siblings of a minor."

Right-wing Republicans like to posture as middle-class populists who are only reacting to the intrusions on individual liberty by liberal elites. But Sensenbrenner, poster child for Republican arrogance, is the pampered heir to the Kotex fortune, whose sense of entitlement is exceeded only by his rancor.

DeLay's system of centralization has Washington in its grip. Republican House members are factotums of the leadership group he dominates. The regular operation of House committees has been overthrown. Decisions are handed down by DeLay and his lieutenants. Lobbyists are convened in private to write legislation. What's more, lobbying firms are ordered to kick in campaign contributions and are under threat of losing preference if they hire Democrats. Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, DeLay's sock puppet, opened the 109th Congress by declaring that legislation had to meet the approval of "the majority of the majority" -- DeLay's rule for right-wing control.

On about 80 percent of the bills before the House, amendments are prohibited as a result of what are called "closed rules." By manipulation of so-called suspension bills -- for example, those that name federal buildings and praise civic groups -- the business of the House has become a playpen of trivialities. Instead of substantive debate, two-thirds of all the time on the House floor is devoted to these meaningless measures. By this means, the leadership concentrates power and frustrates the House from acting as deliberative body. The schedule of the House has been reduced to something like that of a small state legislature of the 19th century, with many of its lollygagging members turning up for work on Tuesday and leaving on Thursday.

The efforts to suppress the proper workings of the House on inquiries of corruption and to quell uneasy questions about legislation from Democrats are only increasing the public pressure on the Republican leadership. Ever more rigid control is producing sharper and deeper fissures in its façade. The desperation for order fosters greater disorder. Such is the state of democracy in America that the rest of the world is encouraged to emulate.
 
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Originally posted by: cwjerome


Ewwwww look, another Nazi reference. You go stud. Pretty soon you'll have outrageous strands of slobber hanging to your knees and trying to throw your own excrement at others. Go Dems!

The Nazi comment was more directed at the quote in the OP. The twisting of facts in order to reap the benifits is a practice in which Hitler acceled.
What facts were twisted?

Here. Let me remind you of the facts:

After reading the e-mail, Mr. Durbin said, "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."
And I see both Durbin and you felt compelled to invoke Godwin's law as well. :roll:

There's no twisting in my OP whatsoever. I merely pointed out that a high-ranking democrat is parroting the hyperbole of the loonie left. It precisely because of things like this that the Democrats today are perceived as the looney left themselves.
 

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I really love P&N.
With ignorant liberals blaming everything that happened from the beginning of time on Bush and using rhetoric to answer arguments without providing any proof.
Cool-aid drinkers, don't believe in science....:roll: Keep feeding those lies to yourself. After all you are the only ones buying it.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I merely pointed out that a high-ranking democrat is parroting the hyperbole of the loonie left.

No, a high power Democrat is exposing the truth about the looney right.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Awwwwww looks like somebody listened to Mike Savage last night.
I don't even know who Mike Savage is.

Oh wow, my bullsh*t meter just went haywire! :laugh:

Don't you remember, TLC isn't a republican :roll:

I'm not an Islamofascist either.

Savages exact wording. I wouldn't be surprised if TLC is Mike Savage.

I am sure Savage frequents this Forum, I catch him mentioning things I have only seen here by fellow P&N'rs.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Awwwwww looks like somebody listened to Mike Savage last night.
I don't even know who Mike Savage is.

Oh wow, my bullsh*t meter just went haywire! :laugh:

Don't you remember, TLC isn't a republican :roll:

I'm not an Islamofascist either.

Savages exact wording. I wouldn't be surprised if TLC is Mike Savage.

I am sure Savage frequents this Forum, I catch him mentioning things I have only seen here by fellow P&N'rs.

If it turned out to be true, I wouldn't even blink an eye.

I put absolutely NOTHING past these people.
 
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Awwwwww looks like somebody listened to Mike Savage last night.
I don't even know who Mike Savage is.

Oh wow, my bullsh*t meter just went haywire! :laugh:

Don't you remember, TLC isn't a republican :roll:

I'm not an Islamofascist either.

Savages exact wording. I wouldn't be surprised if TLC is Mike Savage.

I am sure Savage frequents this Forum, I catch him mentioning things I have only seen here by fellow P&N'rs.
Wow. As if only one person in the world uses the word "Islamofascist." That's some nice twisted reasoning there and a jump to faulty conclusions that reminds me of someone else.

Michael Moore? Is that you?

:laugh:

 

BBond

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"An example of the truth the "left" is concerned with.

Where is the WMD?
Illegal aggression and occupation.
Conspiracy.
War crimes.
Taxpayer financed propaganda.
White House exposing an agent under NonOfficial Cover."
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lol, uh no, you seekers of the light have ALREADY DECIDED THE TRUTH in those matters. You people are so wrapped in in your hateful little worlds you wouldn't know truth if it flew up your @ss.

Well, we seem to have a disagreement. Let's have an open investigation by an independent prosecutor and find out what flies up who's a$$.
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Stratago
Originally posted by: cwjerome


Ewwwww look, another Nazi reference. You go stud. Pretty soon you'll have outrageous strands of slobber hanging to your knees and trying to throw your own excrement at others. Go Dems!

The Nazi comment was more directed at the quote in the OP. The twisting of facts in order to reap the benifits is a practice in which Hitler acceled.
What facts were twisted?

Here. Let me remind you of the facts:

After reading the e-mail, Mr. Durbin said, "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."
And I see both Durbin and you felt compelled to invoke Godwin's law as well. :roll:

There's no twisting in my OP whatsoever. I merely pointed out that a high-ranking democrat is parroting the hyperbole of the loonie left. It precisely because of things like this that the Democrats today are perceived as the looney left themselves.

It does remind me of something Stalin would do. The only real difference are that he did it to a lot more people.

Until the right can come up with a solution/plan as to what to do, they can only expect more of this kind of critiisim. I don't think it's "looney" to expect some leadership about the problem (and it is a problem) from the people who imprisoned them.

Why is the RRR is willing to give Saddam his day in court, why not these people? We can't keep them imprisoned forever, or can we??
 

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Oh man, if you had told the Nazis in a time-backward world that they were a bunch of Guantanamo and Abu Grabists, they would have been really offended.
 
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
It does remind me of something Stalin would do. The only real difference are that he did it to a lot more people.
Stalin killed people. So did Hitler, so did Pol Pot. The attempt at moral equivalence that doesn't equate is pathetic.

Until the right can come up with a solution/plan as to what to do, they can only expect more of this kind of critiisim. I don't think it's "looney" to expect some leadership about the problem (and it is a problem) from the people who imprisoned them.

Why is the RRR is willing to give Saddam his day in court, why not these people? We can't keep them imprisoned forever, or can we??
I haven't seen any good solution from anyone.

btw. Saddam is getting his day in court in Iraq. He's being tried for crime he committed there against his own people. The circumstances are not quite the same for those in Gitmo.
 
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Here's yet another case of irrational overstatement and moral equivalency from the left. This time it comes from the #2 Democrat in the Senate and boy Illinois sure must be proud of themselves for voting this oaf into office.

http://insider.washingtontimes.com/arti...rmal.php?StoryID=20050616-121815-1827r

The Senate's No. 2 Democrat has compared the U.S. military's treatment of a suspected al Qaeda terrorist at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay with the regimes of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Pol Pot, three of history's most heinous dictators, whose regimes killed millions.
In a speech on the Senate floor late Tuesday, Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, castigated the American military's actions by reading an e-mail from an FBI agent.

The agent complained to higher-ups that one al Qaeda suspect was chained to the floor, kept in an extremely cold air-conditioned cell and forced to hear loud rap music. The Justice Department is investigating. ...

After reading the e-mail, Mr. Durbin said, "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Mr. Durbin also likened the treatment of terror suspects at the prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision to authorize the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

"It took us almost 40 years for us to acknowledge that we were wrong, to admit that these people should never have been imprisoned. It was a shameful period in American history," Mr. Durbin said. "I believe the torture techniques that have been used at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and other places fall into that same category."
So let's see here. He's comparing our soldiers at Gitmo to Nazi stormtroopers, dredging up the old "galug" reference for another gulp of air, and claiming that it the equivalent of the Killing Fields too. Not only that, but he's comparing American citizens detained on the basis of their ethnicity to Islamofascist terrorists. I'm sure the survivors of the Japanese internment camps love being lumped into that pile.

What is it with these crazy politiciians named Richard? Both sides have them. I propose a new law - No more Dicks in politics.

That is what you said, you probably remember.
This is what is actually said.

The US is a leader in human rights and by holding suspected terrorists and granting them no rights, none at all, we are damaging our appeal to the rest of the world.
The fact that we have secret prison camps all around the world and are holding people there indefinately without any rights sounds a lot more like Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia than the US.
Finally the way that he related the Japanese interment camps to Gitmo is that both incidents are and will be embarassing points in our history.

I got that out of it just reading the speech once. It doesn't really sound anything like the verson you came up with.