Minority whip swan dives into the deep end of the hyperbole pool

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Stratago

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Here's yet another case of irrational overstatement and moral equivalency from the left. This time it comes from the #2 Democrat in the Senate and boy Illinois sure must be proud of themselves for voting this oaf into office.

http://insider.washingtontimes.com/arti...rmal.php?StoryID=20050616-121815-1827r

The Senate's No. 2 Democrat has compared the U.S. military's treatment of a suspected al Qaeda terrorist at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay with the regimes of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Pol Pot, three of history's most heinous dictators, whose regimes killed millions.
In a speech on the Senate floor late Tuesday, Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, castigated the American military's actions by reading an e-mail from an FBI agent.

The agent complained to higher-ups that one al Qaeda suspect was chained to the floor, kept in an extremely cold air-conditioned cell and forced to hear loud rap music. The Justice Department is investigating. ...

After reading the e-mail, Mr. Durbin said, "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Mr. Durbin also likened the treatment of terror suspects at the prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision to authorize the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

"It took us almost 40 years for us to acknowledge that we were wrong, to admit that these people should never have been imprisoned. It was a shameful period in American history," Mr. Durbin said. "I believe the torture techniques that have been used at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and other places fall into that same category."

So let's see here. He's comparing our soldiers at Gitmo to Nazi stormtroopers, dredging up the old "galug" reference for another gulp of air, and claiming that it the equivalent of the Killing Fields too. Not only that, but he's comparing American citizens detained on the basis of their ethnicity to Islamofascist terrorists. I'm sure the survivors of the Japanese internment camps love being lumped into that pile.

What is it with these crazy politiciians named Richard? Both sides have them. I propose a new law - No more Dicks in politics.

So I read the speech and you have no idea what the fvck you are talking about. So my advise to you, stop acting like the average right politician, where the facts aren't the main issue its how you can change them to better suit you.

Edit: Strike right politician, replace with nazi

Ewwwww look, another Nazi reference. You go stud. Pretty soon you'll have outrageous strands of slobber hanging to your knees and trying to throw your own excrement at others. Go Dems!

So, I'll ask you too. What is your plan? What are we going to do with those prisoners, lock them up forever?

Oh, I have my ideas... and I don't think the Bush admin has gone about this the right way either.

I just have this thing where I don't become delirious with partisan hate and vomit the same absurdities over, and over, and over, and over, and over.........

Without expressing any ideas of what to do with these people, you are as guilty of "partisan hate" as anybody else.

For Christ's sake, even Saddam is going to get his day in court. What are we going to do about these prisoners and when are we going to do it??

Wait a minute, this topic is about a high ranking Dem's goofball characterizations, not about me giving ideas of what to do with Gitmo. Nice evasion.... you seem unable to come to terms with the Left's silliness, probably because you're knee-deep in silly yourself.

You people can't have a serious discussion because you keep poisoning the well with preposterous statements and exagerations. That's the point of the OP. The Left is losing its grip and once again any legitimate concerns are swept away by insanely partisan rhetoric. If the Left wasn't so concerned about milking every ounce of trouble by unleashing torrents of hate speech and hyperbole for political gain, they might actually make some cogent points and help to solve some problems.

That's not likely though, because it would take reasonableness and discipline, two things the Left drops like a bad habit when they see a possible weakness in its enemy. The Dems are in a bad way right now, and if anyone decides to take off the blinders, they'll see that the extreme strategy of over-hyping things only backfires and makes them look like unhinged hacks. Every nazi reference, every gulag or Hitler or dumbsh*t conspiratorial paranioa outburst, is another nail in the coffin.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Oh man, if you had told the Nazis in a time-backward world that they were a bunch of Guantanamo and Abu Grabists, they would have been really offended.

Bush and Gonzales render the notion of Nazis quaint.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Wait a minute, this topic is about a high ranking Dem's goofball characterizations, not about me giving ideas of what to do with Gitmo. Nice evasion.... you seem unable to come to terms with the Left's silliness, probably because you're knee-deep in silly yourself.

You people can't have a serious discussion because you keep poisoning the well with preposterous statements and exagerations. That's the point of the OP. The Left is losing its grip and once again any legitimate concerns are swept away by insanely partisan rhetoric. If the Left wasn't so concerned about milking every ounce of trouble by unleashing torrents of hate speech and hyperbole for political gain, they might actually make some cogent points and help to solve some problems.

That's not likely though, because it would take reasonableness and discipline, two things the Left drops like a bad habit when they see a possible weakness in its enemy. The Dems are in a bad way right now, and if anyone decides to take off the blinders, they'll see that the extreme strategy of over-hyping things only backfires and makes them look like unhinged hacks. Every nazi reference, every gulag or Hitler or dumbsh*t conspiratorial paranioa outburst, is another nail in the coffin.

Exactly. :thumbsup:

It's why the left lost the election and why many moderates refuse to align with them. As loonie as the right can be, their looniness pales in comparison to that of the left. Isn't it ironic that the left sees themselves as the voice of reason and can't even seem to reason that out?

Edit: Point in case: Bush and Gonzales render the notion of Nazis quaint.

It's funny the left bring up the spectre of Nazis so frequently too when it was the left back in the 30s who insisted on remaining isolationist and refusing the recognize the Nazi threat. More irony from them.

 

[imported_Stratago]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Wait a minute, this topic is about a high ranking Dem's goofball characterizations, not about me giving ideas of what to do with Gitmo. Nice evasion.... you seem unable to come to terms with the Left's silliness, probably because you're knee-deep in silly yourself.

You people can't have a serious discussion because you keep poisoning the well with preposterous statements and exagerations. That's the point of the OP. The Left is losing its grip and once again any legitimate concerns are swept away by insanely partisan rhetoric. If the Left wasn't so concerned about milking every ounce of trouble by unleashing torrents of hate speech and hyperbole for political gain, they might actually make some cogent points and help to solve some problems.

That's not likely though, because it would take reasonableness and discipline, two things the Left drops like a bad habit when they see a possible weakness in its enemy. The Dems are in a bad way right now, and if anyone decides to take off the blinders, they'll see that the extreme strategy of over-hyping things only backfires and makes them look like unhinged hacks. Every nazi reference, every gulag or Hitler or dumbsh*t conspiratorial paranioa outburst, is another nail in the coffin.

That post did nothing but worsen what you are complaining about. The thing I hate most in politics is mud slinging by both the right and the left. It does nothing but deepen the gorge between parties. You sir are not making any cogent points.

 

[cwjerome]

.... did BBond post something from Sidney "I'm a leftwing tool" Blumenthal from SALON (oh my) about Republican truth and goals?

Quality :roll:

Give me a couple more quotes, excerpts, and links from your favorite ideologues and you might achieve a robotic Nirvana of zombie-like regurgitation. Your almost there, partisan paradise awaits!

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
It does remind me of something Stalin would do. The only real difference are that he did it to a lot more people.

Stalin killed people. So did Hitler, so did Pol Pot. The attempt at moral equivalence that doesn't equate is pathetic.

Are you now denying that there haven't been prisoners that have been murdered? Is that what your assertation is by this statement?

I would just like clarification before proving you wrong.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Stratago

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Wait a minute, this topic is about a high ranking Dem's goofball characterizations, not about me giving ideas of what to do with Gitmo. Nice evasion.... you seem unable to come to terms with the Left's silliness, probably because you're knee-deep in silly yourself.

You people can't have a serious discussion because you keep poisoning the well with preposterous statements and exagerations. That's the point of the OP. The Left is losing its grip and once again any legitimate concerns are swept away by insanely partisan rhetoric. If the Left wasn't so concerned about milking every ounce of trouble by unleashing torrents of hate speech and hyperbole for political gain, they might actually make some cogent points and help to solve some problems.

That's not likely though, because it would take reasonableness and discipline, two things the Left drops like a bad habit when they see a possible weakness in its enemy. The Dems are in a bad way right now, and if anyone decides to take off the blinders, they'll see that the extreme strategy of over-hyping things only backfires and makes them look like unhinged hacks. Every nazi reference, every gulag or Hitler or dumbsh*t conspiratorial paranioa outburst, is another nail in the coffin.

That post did nothing but worsen what you are complaining about. The thing I hate most in politics is mud slinging by both the right and the left. It does nothing but deepen the gorge between parties. You sir are not making any cogent points.

Lemme get this straight: You hate mudslinging, yet...

You say nothing (and basically defend) retard comments about the Right being Nazis, having gulags, etc etc from the Left

You get your britches in a bunch when I comment on the Left's mudlsinging antics

Boy, you sure aren't hypocritical :roll: I guess my point flew a mile over your head (which appears to be in about a foot of sand.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
.... did BBond post something from Sidney "I'm a leftwing tool" Blumenthal from SALON (oh my) about Republican truth and goals?

Quality :roll:

Give me a couple more quotes, excerpts, and links from your favorite ideologues and you might achieve a robotic Nirvana of zombie-like regurgitation. Your almost there, partisan paradise awaits!

Former presidential advisor Sidney Blumenthal.

You'd be a better source than him, right jerome?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Stratago

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Here's yet another case of irrational overstatement and moral equivalency from the left. This time it comes from the #2 Democrat in the Senate and boy Illinois sure must be proud of themselves for voting this oaf into office.

http://insider.washingtontimes.com/arti...rmal.php?StoryID=20050616-121815-1827r

The Senate's No. 2 Democrat has compared the U.S. military's treatment of a suspected al Qaeda terrorist at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay with the regimes of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Pol Pot, three of history's most heinous dictators, whose regimes killed millions.
In a speech on the Senate floor late Tuesday, Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, castigated the American military's actions by reading an e-mail from an FBI agent.

The agent complained to higher-ups that one al Qaeda suspect was chained to the floor, kept in an extremely cold air-conditioned cell and forced to hear loud rap music. The Justice Department is investigating. ...

After reading the e-mail, Mr. Durbin said, "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Mr. Durbin also likened the treatment of terror suspects at the prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision to authorize the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

"It took us almost 40 years for us to acknowledge that we were wrong, to admit that these people should never have been imprisoned. It was a shameful period in American history," Mr. Durbin said. "I believe the torture techniques that have been used at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and other places fall into that same category."

So let's see here. He's comparing our soldiers at Gitmo to Nazi stormtroopers, dredging up the old "galug" reference for another gulp of air, and claiming that it the equivalent of the Killing Fields too. Not only that, but he's comparing American citizens detained on the basis of their ethnicity to Islamofascist terrorists. I'm sure the survivors of the Japanese internment camps love being lumped into that pile.

What is it with these crazy politiciians named Richard? Both sides have them. I propose a new law - No more Dicks in politics.

So I read the speech and you have no idea what the fvck you are talking about. So my advise to you, stop acting like the average right politician, where the facts aren't the main issue its how you can change them to better suit you.

Edit: Strike right politician, replace with nazi

Ewwwww look, another Nazi reference. You go stud. Pretty soon you'll have outrageous strands of slobber hanging to your knees and trying to throw your own excrement at others. Go Dems!

So, I'll ask you too. What is your plan? What are we going to do with those prisoners, lock them up forever?

Oh, I have my ideas... and I don't think the Bush admin has gone about this the right way either.

I just have this thing where I don't become delirious with partisan hate and vomit the same absurdities over, and over, and over, and over, and over.........

Without expressing any ideas of what to do with these people, you are as guilty of "partisan hate" as anybody else.

For Christ's sake, even Saddam is going to get his day in court. What are we going to do about these prisoners and when are we going to do it??

Wait a minute, this topic is about a high ranking Dem's goofball characterizations, not about me giving ideas of what to do with Gitmo. Nice evasion.... you seem unable to come to terms with the Left's silliness, probably because you're knee-deep in silly yourself.

You people can't have a serious discussion because you keep poisoning the well with preposterous statements and exagerations. That's the point of the OP. The Left is losing its grip and once again any legitimate concerns are swept away by insanely partisan rhetoric. If the Left wasn't so concerned about milking every ounce of trouble by unleashing torrents of hate speech and hyperbole for political gain, they might actually make some cogent points and help to solve some problems.

That's not likely though, because it would take reasonableness and discipline, two things the Left drops like a bad habit when they see a possible weakness in its enemy. The Dems are in a bad way right now, and if anyone decides to take off the blinders, they'll see that the extreme strategy of over-hyping things only backfires and makes them look like unhinged hacks. Every nazi reference, every gulag or Hitler or dumbsh*t conspiratorial paranioa outburst, is another nail in the coffin.

So continue to troll

 

[Steeplerot]

I love how they deny that they get daily whining from watch foxnews hannity rush savage or whatever then you look up what the punduits are talking about that day and it turns out they are repeating word for word what they just got up from the dinner table watching o'lielly and come get all uppity in the forum.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: cwjerome

That's not likely though, because it would take reasonableness and discipline, two things the Left drops like a bad habit when they see a possible weakness in its enemy. The Dems are in a bad way right now, and if anyone decides to take off the blinders, they'll see that the extreme strategy of over-hyping things only backfires and makes them look like unhinged hacks.

Exactly. :thumbsup:

Edit: Point in case: Bush and Gonzales render the notion of Nazis quaint.

It's funny the left bring up the spectre of Nazis so frequently too when it was the left back in the 30s who insisted on remaining isolationist and refusing the recognize the Nazi threat. More irony from them.

You mean like the "war on terror" CWJ? That seems to have backfired on Bush. Oh wait, he parlayed that "extreme strategy of over-hyping things" into a winning presidential campaign. Maybe you mean something different?

Maybe TLC means that those on the left shouldn't have been isolationists and should have made a couple bucks off of the Nazis like grandpappy Bush did?

 

[Steeplerot]

Why not? The right has no moral dilemma with profiting off treason...look a their hero reagan...he sold us out to the iranians first chance he got.

The almighty dollar and thuggery is the name of the game.

 

[imported_Stratago]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
The Dems are in a bad way right now, and if anyone decides to take off the blinders, they'll see that the extreme strategy of over-hyping things only backfires and makes them look like unhinged hacks. Every nazi reference, every gulag or Hitler or dumbsh*t conspiratorial paranioa outburst, is another nail in the coffin.

The right has no business talking about over-hyping things. They take one or two quotes from the opposing view put them greatly out of context and make false conclusions from them.

two examples off the top of my head.
ex1 the OP
ex2 Ward Churchill

I doubt highly that the OPer even considered reading the actual speech and the article quoted missed the point by miles.
The same thing happened with Churchill the Republicans took one quote from the essay and blew it way out of proportion.

The left lays down a point, the right manipulates the information to their gain. I'm going to fvcking say it again NAZIS.

Edit: If you throw sh1t at me i'm going to thow back.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Maybe TLC means that those on the left shouldn't have been isolationists and should have made a couple bucks off of the Nazis like grandpappy Bush did?

And like Kennedy's father did, and like many people with money did back in the 30s.

But hey. Let's focus on some tenuous financial connections to make even further exaggerated and hyperbolic claims. Anything to rant about Bush, eh? :roll:

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Maybe TLC means that those on the left shouldn't have been isolationists and should have made a couple bucks off of the Nazis like grandpappy Bush did?

And like Kennedy's father did, and like many people with money did back in the 30s.

But hey. Let's focus on some tenuous financial connections to make even further exaggerated and hyperbolic claims. Anything to rant about Bush, eh? :roll:

We all know about Union Bank having their assets seized for colluding with the Nazis before and during WWII.

Do you have any proof of your claim chicken?

 

[imported_Stratago]

Yeah he's an idiot

Edit: my rant about Bush

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I love how they deny that they get daily whining from watch foxnews hannity rush savage or whatever then you look up what the punduits are talking about that day and it turns out they are repeating word for word what they just got up from the dinner table watching o'lielly and come get all uppity in the forum.

"foxnews" "hannity" "rush" "savage" or whatever can blow me. You're the damn broken record... let's see, you have about 391 posts that include those words I quoted?

Get a new angle. Parroting the same line your masters encourage about others parroting is terribly ironic.

 

[Steeplerot]

sorry you are in such denial, maybe if you turn fox down you could hear the will of the people.

(not that we'd expect someone like you to care)

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Maybe TLC means that those on the left shouldn't have been isolationists and should have made a couple bucks off of the Nazis like grandpappy Bush did?

And like Kennedy's father did, and like many people with money did back in the 30s.

But hey. Let's focus on some tenuous financial connections to make even further exaggerated and hyperbolic claims. Anything to rant about Bush, eh? :roll:

We all know about Union Bank having their assets seized for colluding with the Nazis before and during WWII.

Do you have any proof of your claim chicken?

Here

and

Here

Don't let the facts hit you in the head on the way out, please.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Stratago

Originally posted by: cwjerome
The Dems are in a bad way right now, and if anyone decides to take off the blinders, they'll see that the extreme strategy of over-hyping things only backfires and makes them look like unhinged hacks. Every nazi reference, every gulag or Hitler or dumbsh*t conspiratorial paranioa outburst, is another nail in the coffin.

The right has no business talking about over-hyping things. They take one or two quotes from the opposing view put them greatly out of context and make false conclusions from them.

two examples off the top of my head.
ex1 the OP
ex2 Ward Churchill

I doubt highly that the OPer even considered reading the actual speech and the article quoted missed the point by miles.
The same thing happened with Churchill the Republicans took one quote from the essay and blew it way out of proportion.

The left lays down a point, the right manipulates the information to their gain. I'm going to fvcking say it again NAZIS.

Edit: If you throw sh1t at me i'm going to thow back.

You say dopey things like "people didn't read the whole speech" or "they took one quote from an essay" as if that somehow makes those things alright. The fact is the MEANING of those excerpts doesn't change... they ARE in context. Your two example are meaningless because they aren't manipulated. Explain to me how either example were pulled "out of context." How was the point missed by miles?

They weren't... you're just butthurt over the fact that it pissed people off, so you have to blame the dastardly Right for "swindling the poor stupid masses." It never occurrs to you that those comments are simply idiotic because that would make a person like you idiotic for believing them.

Boo-hoo, blame the Right for everytime a stupid sucker on the Left says something dumb. Calling me (or the Right) Nazi again is a gem... you'll never know just how well you prove my point about the unhinged Left. You people are swirling down the toilet bowl and you don't have the balls to swallow your pride and get real.

 

[Steeplerot]

Try reading the essay yourself instead of relying on talking points.

You are damn lucky you live in a free enough nation where we can speak out and call a fascist spade just that, wake up or continue to support the traitors of our people.

Oh, but the toilet bowl is swirling, better get a snorkel!

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
sorry you are in such denial, maybe if you turn fox down you could hear the will of the people.

(not that we'd expect someone like you to care)

Ladies and gentlemen, exhibit B right here for all to see!

Not only is the Right nazi-gulag-stalinist-polpot-facist-et al, but right below that is the idea that the Right is nothing but unthinking sheep who are commanded by talkradio and cablenews!

Wow, two insults for the electorate for the price of one, the Left sure is getting it's money's worth: losing elections.

What a great strategy, it's worked well so far, I'm sure it'll get even more people to your side

 

[Steeplerot]

Yes, the truth is a b1tch isn't it?



I am sure rush is skarfing down a bottle right now nodding his head in agreement with you :roll:

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Yes, the truth is a b1tch isn't it?

Apparently as your side keeps losing.

Hurts eh?

 

[Steeplerot]

nah, we have come to expect this from the corrupt administration.

I would rather lose honestly then cheat and lie to win anyday.

sooner or later it will be time to pay the piper...