Hilarious! Both sides accusing the other side of being a "liar" and "unconcerned with truth." Who'd a thunk it? Fact is, both Democrats AND Republicans are truth-distorting, hyperbole-engaging, rat-bastards. In other news, SKY TOTALLY BLUE!
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When you lose against lies, you stand on your principles.
When you win on lies, you should STFU.
Here is what i got out of the speech
The US is a leader in human rights and by holding suspected terrorists and granting them no rights, none at all, we are damaging our appeal to the rest of the world.
The fact that we have secret prison camps all around the world and are holding people there indefinately without any rights sounds a lot more like Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia than the US.
Finally the way that he related the Japanese interment camps to Gitmo is that both incidents are and will be embarassing points in our history.
I don't see anyware in the speech saying
Mr. Durbin also likened the treatment of terror suspects at the prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision to authorize the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.
or
The Senate's No. 2 Democrat has compared the U.S. military's treatment of a suspected al Qaeda terrorist at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay with the regimes of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Pol Pot, three of history's most heinous dictators, whose regimes killed millions.
Which is irresponsible when looking at the differences in both the camps.
Pissing on a book and gassing Jews by the hundreds are light years apart.
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Yeah, Prescott Bush's single share (out of 4000) in UBC is certainly damning...to every delusional left-wing tool in the US.
You gotta start somewhere. As the old saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
umbrella39
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If you really love P&N so much why don't you come here more often and offer your input as opposed to trolling in every so often to fling poop?
Steeplerot
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Yes the one share covered with the blood of jews when the company was liquadated for a cool 1.5 mil in 1951. Pretty nice chunk 'o cash for one share eh?
His buisness partner Thyssen (writer of the book "I Paid Hitler") was striaght up arrested under the Trading With the Enemy Act in 1942.
"a portion of the slave labor force in Poland (Auschwitz prison camp's steel mill) was 'managed by Prescott Bush'" according to Dutch intelligence.
The bush legacy is funded by nazi sympathizers, how could you not as an american be concerned with the embracing of the nazi scientist refugees and their rise to power in the GOP in the 50's and the embracing of the racist southern dixiecrats in the 60's.
Here's MY point (and the point of the OP I think):
A) Saying the Gitmo situation will be a blotch on our history is one thing. But by also alluding to Japansese internment camps, he's making a bogus connection, because he's implying that the two are similar in other ways. It's an irresponsible comparison which negates his original point.
B) Saying the US isn't living up to its high ideals is one thing. But by also referencing Nazi and Soviets, he's making a bogus connection, because the issues aren't even close to what the Nazi and Soviets did. It's an irresponsible connection which negates his original point.
You have to understand that words having meaning. Make your arguments, but do so without outrageous comparisons and implying ridiculous connections, otherwise whatever point you're trying to make is lost in the bullsh*t. That's what I'm talking about when I say the Left is poisoning the well. Just as a little bit of poison destroys the valuable water, a little bit of wild-eyed nonsense destroys a valuable message.
I personally think Gitmo and the issues surrounding it has been a mistake for the Bush administration. But a rational dialogue that might actually help fix things is impossible with the nutty left engaged in crazed hyperbole and exagerration.
We all know Libs tend to be emotional but they have to set their anger and hate for Bush aside for the greater good. They might actually discover that such a strategy just may work better politically for them than the usual maniacal rhetoric.
All of the partners had one share and the rest were owned by the Harrimans. Are you saying aiding the Nazis was OK as long as you only owned one share of the U.S. bank that helped them? And KNOWINGLY as well?
Steeplerot
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As stated in the post his buisness partner and close friend was the one who wrote the book and was arrested in 42 under the trading with the enemy act..
Connect the dots...after the war we let in a lot of the former nazi regime were embraced scarily enough by the gop.
The GOP immediatly started the mc carthy thing and went from being a party of social justices to embracing the racist whites....hmmmm
30 or so years later reagan is laying wreaths at SS guard monuments during his term using the language and total propaganda disimformation campaigns of goebbels which the gop still uses to fear america into warmongering.
absoloute power corrupts absoloutlety, america has not had to learn how hard that lesson is yet being a superpower.
A lot of this country see it coming though and speak out. I do not think the average america is a goosestepper but the complacency is intolerable...
The mindset america has sunk into on a lot of issues would be better suited for the 1930 then 2005.
Connect the dots...after the war we let in a lot of the former nazi regime were embraced scarily enough by the gop.
The GOP immediatly started the mc carthy thing and went from being a party of social justices to embracing the racist whites....hmmmm
30 or so years later reagan is laying wreaths at SS guard monuments during his term using the language and total propaganda disimformation campaigns of goebbels which the gop still uses to fear america into warmongering.
absoloute power corrupts absoloutlety, america has not had to learn how hard that lesson is yet being a superpower.
A lot of this country see it coming though and speak out. I do not think the average america is a goosestepper but the complacency is intolerable...
The mindset america has sunk into on a lot of issues would be better suited for the 1930 then 2005.
You should really save that for the people you support. Tell them the power of words like WMD and terrorist ties.
The ONLY greater good we can accomplish is to indict Bush and his criminal cabal from Texas.
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THere's no real point in discussing this since you obviously want to remain superficial about it to make a sound-byte, and ignore the actual facts.
The facts are there in the articles I linked. Anyone who wants can read them and see if they agree with such proclamations as "The Bush fortune was made from the Nazis." or "The Bushies supported the Nazi war machine." A few will of course. Others with a modicum of sense and comprehension will look at such pronouncements as more hyperbole from the loonie left, the same loonie left that will ask you why anyone should care about Kerry's war records from 30 years ago but will gladly reach back over 60 years ago to take a slap at Bush. I love their hypocrisy. It's so...consistent.
You said this ""a portion of the slave labor force in Poland (Auschwitz prison camp's steel mill) was 'managed by Prescott Bush'" according to Dutch intelligence. "
Either he was managing or not. Sounds like you are telling a lie.
Steeplerot
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the bush fortune was made from nothing less then the 1.5 millon he got from 1 stock of a company found to be complacent and bankrolled to a large degree by the third reich, no less then that TLC.
the owner freakin was arrested and wrote a book called:"I Paid Hitler" admitting just this.
the owner freakin was arrested and wrote a book called:"I Paid Hitler" admitting just this.
Steeplerot
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take it up with dutch intellegence in ww2, I was not alive, they wrote it not me dude, sorry.
The cool 1.5 mil in 1951 blood money is the thing that sets off alarms for me though.
I like money just like the next guy but if I had that stock and I knew where the cash came from I would have donated it to jewish familys or something...wtf?
That is a major ethics issue in my eyes, and that money is still there! (in some form of investment or another bankrolling our presidents family no less.)
If you are going to say something I would have hoped you had enough brain power to look at it and determine is the crap you got off some anti-bush website makes sense. It doesnt have to be entirely correct at thispoint but at least make sense.
Hiding behind the "I dunno because I can't think" argument is weak.
And we are the sheeple?
Steeplerot
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are you saying dutch's resistance intellegence are liars? Who would you trust? prescott who is buddy buddy with the biggest corporations found to be working with the reich or the european resistance?
Go grab a book about this, make your own judgements, neither of us were alive but court records show when the money was being made prescott was complacent to some degree or another. Thyssen was as slimey of a best friend to prescott's family as the bin ladens are to the current one..
?Bush - Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951? - Federal Documents
Although the additional seizures under the Trading with the Enemy Act did not take place until after the war, documents from The National Archives and Library of Congress confirm that Bush and his partners continued their Nazi dealings unabated. These activities included a financial relationship with the German city of Hanover and several industrial concerns. They went undetected by investigators until after World War Two.
Go grab a book about this, make your own judgements, neither of us were alive but court records show when the money was being made prescott was complacent to some degree or another. Thyssen was as slimey of a best friend to prescott's family as the bin ladens are to the current one..
?Bush - Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951? - Federal Documents
Although the additional seizures under the Trading with the Enemy Act did not take place until after the war, documents from The National Archives and Library of Congress confirm that Bush and his partners continued their Nazi dealings unabated. These activities included a financial relationship with the German city of Hanover and several industrial concerns. They went undetected by investigators until after World War Two.
I do not think aluding to past events is at all bogus. We have to remember our history and learn from it. In the speech, Durbin complains about how the administration averted the checks and ballace system by saying fvck you congress we do what we want. Anything starting with "the administration unilaterally" doesn't really fly in my books. The administration seems to be hunting for power and I believe they are gaining too much of it.
Here's MY point:
A)We all know Libs tend to be emotional...
B)You have to understand that words having meaning. Saying the US isn't living up to what the Nazi and Soviets did... ...is poisoning the well.
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