Wow, not where I live...
you couldn't even find a place, well that is with a working toilet, working stove, or ac/heat etc... for $350 a month. Might be able to find a Barn or stable room for that... LOL
Wow, not where I live...
you couldn't even find a place, well that is with a working toilet, working stove, or ac/heat etc... for $350 a month. Might be able to find a Barn or stable room for that... LOL
"Illegal" being the key here.
So outside of somebody breaking the law do you think the marketplace will respond positively to 1 dollar an hour jobs?
And I'll be honest and say even illegal workers probably wouldnt work for 1 buck an hour.
Well hell, there is alot about the Democrats I don't like, don't much care for the Republicans either, not real fond of the liberals... so does that make me an independent??? GRIN
Keep shipping those illegals in and we'll see, won't we?
Of course, some of them will likely make a pitstop at your house and help themselves to your stuff, but hey, as long as those CEOs can keep buying those luxury yachts, sounds A-OK.
Wow, now this is an interesting article on How to live on Minimum wage... http://www.bcheights.com/media/paper144...rewrite&sourcedomain=www.bcheights.com
"We are becoming ever more divided as a nation," she said. Low-level employees are supposed to be straight as an arrow in conforming to company policies, she said, but executives were held to much looser, if any, moral standards.
She noted the incongruity in a Wal-Mart training video, in which an employee is shown stealing $400 and receiving four years in prison while those guilty of white-collar crimes are stealing millions of dollars and not punished at all.
Ehrenreich criticized President Bush's plan of cutting taxes for the rich and spending money on the military, which forces him to cut programs for everyone else and called for employers to allow unions, universal health care, and for a universal living wage.
She noted the incongruity in a Wal-Mart training video, in which an employee is shown stealing $400 and receiving four years in prison while those guilty of white-collar crimes are stealing millions of dollars and not punished at all.
Ehrenreich criticized President Bush's plan of cutting taxes for the rich and spending money on the military, which forces him to cut programs for everyone else and called for employers to allow unions, universal health care, and for a universal living wage.
Address'd above, now why dont you take a genuine stab at the question instead of relying on a red herring and running away with your tail between legs.
LOL, they interfere when they make it easier to outsource jobs too. Face the facts Vic, people would starve without goverment aid and the party will be all over when that starts to happen.
Vic
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I'm jaded to it. Quite frankly, I expect nothing better from conjur.
While I strongly believe in democratic representation in government, I also recognize the dangers of democracy in excess. It all too quickly becomes laymen thinking they know more than the professionals. Soon, patients thinking they are smarter than the doctors are performing surgeries on themselves, the accused are acting as their own lawyers in court, and women are changing the oil in their own cars
, etc.This is why the Libertarian Party says that the 5 most dangerous words in the English language are, "There oughta be a law!"
I'm missing the part where I called anyone any names. Just calling Vic on his extremist views. Vic's a corporatist to the core as it seems most people are who call themselves "Libertarians". Badnarik was a nutcase.
Anyway, looks like Genx87 was engaging in some thread hijacking and Vic latched on to it.
Let's stick to the topic and the facts, shall we?
The facts are that when the minimum wage is increased, businesses are NOT harmed.
Nothing comes without some strings attached. It's been this way for a loooong time too, but you can't just throw the baby out with the bath water.
And even if a "free" market were obtainable, we can't compete against the cheap chinese/mexican labor. It's not the poor people's fault for being ignorant or lazy either, it's the system they inherited. They didn't start the fire.
Think you need to reread the thread.
Everything we have been discussing is withint the context of minimum wage and the ramifications behind raising it.
1. State minumum wage is usually higher than Federal (here in Cali it's like $7 something), so raising federal minimum wage is somewhat pointless.
2. Raising minimum wage will mostly help high school and college kids with part-time jobs, not people actually trying to make it on their own.
2. Raising minimum wage will mostly help high school and college kids with part-time jobs, not people actually trying to make it on their own.
Vic
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Heh. The idea that I am a corporatist is downright laughable. Being called an "extremist" by a nutcase is even funnier. You just don't get it and never will.
And personally, I didn't like Badnarik and didn't vote for him. Browne or Paul is much more my style. As far as libertarianism goes, I'm very much on the left side of it. More of a Peter McWilliams.
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if we secure the border, we won't have any $2/hour employees. to pay some screwup white kid to harvest your crops, you'll have to pay better than $5.15/hour.
From years and years ago. Some of us have graduated onto greener pastures, you however have not.
Vic
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We shouldn't secure that border. That just another form of protectionism. We should open it up and let every person who can pass reasonable security checks receive citizenship. Then all applicable labor and tax laws would apply to them. Otherwise, a new black market is created with every new law. Nature always laughs last.
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(1) Link from above, 11 states have higher minimums. That is far from "usually higher". Your argument could potentially be used to argue why fight federal increases if states were truely "usually higher". Just let the federal go up.
(2) From the original post, 70% are adults (20+ years old). Thus, it will help many who AREN'T kids. Yes, it will help high school kids and yes it will help college kids. But these kids are the same who usually spend their money and pump it right back into the businesses to begin with. Meaning, overall, businesses aren't harmed much by having kids get raises. Sure some businesses will be greatly helped and others greatly harmed. But overall, they pretty much cancel out.
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