Vic
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By equating slavery to a free market, you just discredited yourself entirely in my eyes. Slavery, indentured servants, and debtors prisons were all government institutions. Free markets eased children out of the labor force, not into it. You think child labor didn't exist 500 or 1000 years ago?
You basically just admitted here that your only skill is googling statistics.
Actually I might be off base on memory here as to the who, hows and whys. What I remember, I was reading an article in the docs office the other day about these large companies that are trying this new tactic. When you have retired from a company and are getting ready to enjoy your retirement and pension funds, the company sues you. Then they slash your retirement and pension funds.. can't remember exactly how it is done, but according to the article it is becoming very popular with alot of companies across the country. I have got to look this up on line somewhere. As far as the government retirement and Social Security, yes, they do wittle it away. There are cuts each year in Social Security benefits and also in Disability benefits.
Did the Bush tax cuts include SS and Medicare cuts? What we are talking about here are tax cuts.
The only boogle here are the tools like you who sit back and watch the national deficit set new records and at the same time give the rich a pass because they "pay more taxes" then the poor.
DUHHHH, they make more money, of course they pay more taxes. They have better (and more) health care, better (and more) houses, better (and more) cars, better (and more) retirements plans, and the list just goes on. They skim the cream right off the top and then piss, moan, and whine about how tough they have it.
Do you think we should we just sit back and let them get out of paying any taxes at all?
Vic
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But he didnt and thus the federal income tax cuts went to the people who actually paid federal income tax.
This should be of no surprise to a person like Dave.
dullard
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Read my first post. People working full time should be paid a wage to be able to live in poverty in the location they work without government assistance. Thus, high cost of living places SHOULD be paid more than low cost of living places. Are you trying to refute that idea?
Apparently a large number of Pennsylvanians aren't "rolling in it" either:
State: 4,500 county residents work for low pay
By SANDI LYNN BROWN
Staff Writer
Lebanon Daily News
For Gywenn Fecondo, living on a $6-an-hour income was difficult.
?I couldn?t hack it on my own. I couldn?t save up money,? the 18-year-old woman said.
Because money was tight, Fecondo said, she shared living expenses with her mother and her mother?s boyfriend. But after the bills were paid, she had about $20 to $40 left to pay for other things, such as gas and clothing, until she received her next paycheck two weeks later.
Fecondo now earns more than $7 an hour at Sharp Prices in the Lebanon Valley Mall and finds life a little easier. Because she had experience working in retail, the company hired her eight months ago for a full-time position at $6.25 an hour .
Fecondo is one of the 4,408 workers in Lebanon County who earn between $5.15, the state?s minimum hourly wage, and $7.14.
?There are a lot of people making minimum wage in Lebanon County, and a lot of people raising a family on minimum wages,? Barry Ciccocioppo, a spokesman for the Department of Labor and Industry, said yesterday. ?There are a lot of people trying to raise a family on minimum wage, and it?s unfortunate.?
Ciccocioppo said the Labor and Industry statistic does not include workers, such as waiters and waitresses, who get paid less than minimum wage but are compensated by tips.
The Raise the Minimum Wage Coalition claims about 8,000 workers in the county, or 18 percent of the work force, earn minimum wage. That figure, Ciccocioppo said, could include the workers who earn less minimum wage.
Senate Majority Leader David J. Brightbill disagrees with the coalition, saying ?there are virtually no jobs offered at minimum wage in Lebanon County.?
The coalition rallied outside Brightbill?s Lebanon office Thursday, accusing him of not keeping a promise to get the Senate to vote last month on raising the minimum wage.
In his Feb. 8 budget address, Gov. Ed Rendell asked the Legislature to raise the minimum wage to $7.15 an hour. Brightbill has said he favors a smaller increase because a $2-per-hour hike will hurt small businesses with jobs that pay in the $7 to $10 range.
The minimum wage has not been raised since 1997, but between September 1997 and November 2005, the cost of food has climbed 21 percent; rent, 28 percent; child care, 48 percent; gasoline, 81 percent; and utilities, 129 percent, Ciccocioppo said.
Seven out of 10 employees in Pennsylvania are 20 years old and older and earn between $5.15 and $7.14, he said.
?It?s a common misconception that people making minimum wage are kids in school,? Ciccocioppo said.
An employee working 40 hours a week at minimum wage earns about $10,712 per year, Ciccocioppo said. The federal poverty level for a family of two earns less than $12,830 per year, he said.
To make ends meet, 27-year-old Erica Ortiz works two jobs.
?I have to. I can?t just work one job,? Ortiz said.
Ortiz was hired a week ago to work 30 to 35 hours per week at JCPenney in the Lebanon Valley Mall. She said new employees are paid between $6 and $6.50 per hour, depending on their experience. She also works at Burger King, where she earns more than $6 an hour, a 50-cent raise from when she first started working there a year ago.
If she could find a position that pays $8 an hour, she said, she would not have to have two jobs.
Ortiz said she recently applied for a job at Blockbuster but changed her mind when she learned the starting salary was between $5.15 and $5.25 an hour.
A Blockbuster representative yesterday would not confirm those figures, saying wages are discussed only at interviews.
Pennsylvania Careerlink?s Web site shows 26 jobs in the county have starting salaries between $0 and $7.15, Ciccocioppo said.
A random sampling of businesses showed starting salaries ranged between $5.25 and $6.
At Twin Kiss/Raub?s Subs, Myerstown, the starting rate is $5.35 an hour, while the nearby Hardee?s pays between $5.25 and $5.50. McDonald?s in Lebanon pays $5.75; Burger King, Lebanon, $5.60; and Cinema Center of Palmyra, $5.50.
A manager at Dairy Queen East wouldn?t reveal the exact figure but said ?we?re above minimum wage.?
Foot Locker, Fashion Bug and Wal-Mart employees start at $6 or more depending on experience, according to managers at those stores.
Ciccocioppo said neighboring states of New York, New Jersey, Maryland and Delaware have raised the minimum wage above the federal minimum wage of $5.15. New York?s is currently at $6.75 and set to go to $7.15 in January. New Jersey?s is $6.15 and will go to $7.15 in October.
http://www.ldnews.com/fastsearchresults/ci_3566392
Lest anyone try to come back with the "well costs of living are obviously lower there" argument...BALONEY.
dullard
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I want the government assistance for the poor abolished. Stop welfare from keeping the poor down.
However, to do so, someone has to be able to survive while working full time (1 full time job should pay for one person to live in the area of that job, if you want to raise kids, tough you need a second job). Thus, there must be a lower limit to wage that allows this to happen.
It is just unrealistic to get rid of BOTH wage laws and assistance laws. I choose the lesser of the two evils.
So I take it that if we reduced their salaries to a dollar an hour (or less), prices on everything would fall through the floor and I could buy that plasma TV for 20 bucks?
Oh right--doesn't work that way in the "real world" :roll:
Are you hoping at some point in the future actual consequences one day catch up with your bullsh*t spewings?
Do you think the marketplace would take the minimum wage down to 1 dollar and people would work for that wage?
Hey Vic, isnt it funny when people of a certain political leaning dont agree with you the first thing they do is resort to namecalling?
I see you have got at least 2 posters to lose their mind and do this and I got one.
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