Minimum Wage Can Stand Some Maximizing...

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
You poor? HA, that's funny. You probably have the first dollar you ever earned. I kind of figured my comment would get your greedy little ego going in overtime!!!! :laugh: The WORKING poor don't deserve to be able to eat a Big Mac once in a while, LMAO, and you call me immature? Your just a Scrooge. I imagine you as a slumlord myself.

You imagine me all wrong. Sorry to say. For one thing, I don't own a single investment property. For another, I grew up in the working poor (but that only tarnishes me in your hypocritical eyes, right?). I don't have the first dollar I ever earned (I started working at age 11), and I am not greedy, but actually quite generous (I don't bitch my concerns on an internet forum where it does no good at all in the real world, I actually do something to help). You see, I'm actually trying to help. YOU are the one who is self-serving, merely trying to make yourself feel good by pretending that you are helping. This real-world difference, I am sure, will be utterly and completely lost on you.

Back on topic though, I did not say the working poor don't deserve a Big Mac. That would be miscontruing my statement to the point of unjustly slandering my character (which I am quite sure was your intention). What I did say was that buying a Big Mac instead of brown-bagging is exactly that kind of poor financial decision that keeps the poor poor. That they would be better off if they did not waste their money on Big Macs.

They'd be better off if they made an honest days wage for their honest days work. Then they could afford that Big Mac with out being critizied and you could go bitch about something else and offer your "help". Of course you don't want them to have that kind of help because you expect them to be able to compete with people who can live off a dollar a day.

Piss off Vic, you may fool yourself, but you don't fool me.

Are you suggesting they are making a dishonest wage for their work?

btw how much do you pay the workers on your farm on an hourly basis?

What do you care? You worried I might be taking advantage of someone?

I want to make sure your workers are getting a fair living wage that is honest.
So why dont you pony up and let us know what you pay people on your farm to work for on an hourly basis?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
You poor? HA, that's funny. You probably have the first dollar you ever earned. I kind of figured my comment would get your greedy little ego going in overtime!!!! :laugh: The WORKING poor don't deserve to be able to eat a Big Mac once in a while, LMAO, and you call me immature? Your just a Scrooge. I imagine you as a slumlord myself.

You imagine me all wrong. Sorry to say. For one thing, I don't own a single investment property. For another, I grew up in the working poor (but that only tarnishes me in your hypocritical eyes, right?). I don't have the first dollar I ever earned (I started working at age 11), and I am not greedy, but actually quite generous (I don't bitch my concerns on an internet forum where it does no good at all in the real world, I actually do something to help). You see, I'm actually trying to help. YOU are the one who is self-serving, merely trying to make yourself feel good by pretending that you are helping. This real-world difference, I am sure, will be utterly and completely lost on you.

Back on topic though, I did not say the working poor don't deserve a Big Mac. That would be miscontruing my statement to the point of unjustly slandering my character (which I am quite sure was your intention). What I did say was that buying a Big Mac instead of brown-bagging is exactly that kind of poor financial decision that keeps the poor poor. That they would be better off if they did not waste their money on Big Macs.

They'd be better off if they made an honest days wage for their honest days work. Then they could afford that Big Mac with out being critizied and you could go bitch about something else and offer your "help". Of course you don't want them to have that kind of help because you expect them to be able to compete with people who can live off a dollar a day.

Piss off Vic, you may fool yourself, but you don't fool me.

Are you suggesting they are making a dishonest wage for their work?

btw how much do you pay the workers on your farm on an hourly basis?

What do you care? You worried I might be taking advantage of someone?

I want to make sure your workers are getting a fair living wage that is honest.
So why dont you pony up and let us know what you pay people on your farm to work for on an hourly basis?

Well, I don't have any full time employee's so it's going to be hard to make a comparison. I do have one person I trust that I hire to do odd jobs in his spare time and I pay him $10/hr even though the going rate is $8/hr.

I did hire almost all the major work done last year, but they don't charge by the hour, they charge by the acre.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
They'd be better off if they made an honest days wage for their honest days work. Then they could afford that Big Mac with out being critizied and you could go bitch about something else and offer your "help". Of course you don't want them to have that kind of help because you expect them to be able to compete with people who can live off a dollar a day.

Piss off Vic, you may fool yourself, but you don't fool me.

Oh puhleeze... :roll:

The first rule of proper financial management is that "it ain't what you make, it's what you spend." That's all I was trying to say. Not the ad hominem BS you're inventing to protect your precarious position.

The point is, you don't help people. You circle jerk on an internet message board and pretend you're helping. You separate the people of the world into little groups and pit them against each other for the benefit of your own spite, and not for the purpose of actually helping anyone. And because you don't actually help, you insist that others do your helping for you (especially your favorite nebulous satan, "the rich," whose members must be everyone who doesn't toe your ideological line). In short, you're full of it. And that's why you rant and rave and point fingers. I got news for ya: that immaturity does more harm than good.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Well, I don't have any full time employee's so it's going to be hard to make a comparison. I do have one person I trust that I hire to do odd jobs in his spare time and I pay him $10/hr even though the going rate is $8/hr.

I did hire almost all the major work done last year, but they don't charge by the hour, they charge by the acre.

Meaning that all but one of the workers (and that one only works sporadic part-time) on your farm are 1099 contract laborers. You don't even pay the employer half of their Social Security, much less provide benefits. Who's trying to fool who here?

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: Vic
When do small business owners get a guaranteed minimum wage?

When they provide a service. If you're self-employed and can't bring-in more than 250$ a week on average, I'd say you should find another line of work (unless you're just getting started, of course).

 

[fitzov]

Why are only two people dominating this thread with anti minimum-wage rhetoric?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: fitzov

Originally posted by: Vic
When do small business owners get a guaranteed minimum wage?

When they provide a service. If you're self-employed and can't bring-in more than 250$ a week on average, I'd say you should find another line of work (unless you're just getting started, of course).

:laugh:

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: fitzov
Why are only two people dominating this thread with anti minimum-wage rhetoric?

Because minimum wage isn't even close to the biggest issue in the US right now, and it's not an overly useful program anyway.

The parts of the rhetoric that are wrong ('it won't help anyone because of inflation' being the main one) have already been beaten into the ground.

I think most people see minimum wage for roughly what it is - a redistributive program that mostly increases student wages and costs high wage-earners a small amount through inflation. Hardly the most useful program ever conceived!

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Well, I don't have any full time employee's so it's going to be hard to make a comparison. I do have one person I trust that I hire to do odd jobs in his spare time and I pay him $10/hr even though the going rate is $8/hr.

I did hire almost all the major work done last year, but they don't charge by the hour, they charge by the acre.

Meaning that all but one of the workers (and that one only works sporadic part-time) on your farm are 1099 contract laborers. You don't even pay the employer half of their Social Security, much less provide benefits. Who's trying to fool who here?

You are the one trying to fool everyone. I hire a neighbor who has his own operation, should I pay for his SS?? He comes and does jobs at his leisure. I tell him what I want done and he does it when it works in his schedule. I'm not even there when he does the work but I know pretty close to how long it takes and it works out to $10/hr.

Go chase someone else's beans around. We all know that professional; money managers are people who mange your money for you until it's all gone.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Well, I don't have any full time employee's so it's going to be hard to make a comparison. I do have one person I trust that I hire to do odd jobs in his spare time and I pay him $10/hr even though the going rate is $8/hr.

I did hire almost all the major work done last year, but they don't charge by the hour, they charge by the acre.

Meaning that all but one of the workers (and that one only works sporadic part-time) on your farm are 1099 contract laborers. You don't even pay the employer half of their Social Security, much less provide benefits. Who's trying to fool who here?

You are the one trying to fool everyone. I hire a neighbor who has his own operation, should I pay for his SS?? He comes and does jobs at his leisure. I tell him what I want done and he does it when it works in his schedule. I'm not even there when he does the work but I know pretty close to how long it takes and it works out to $10/hr.

Go chase someone else's beans around. We all know that professional; money managers are people who mange your money for you until it's all gone.

You pay less than walmart and provide no benefits. I find it funny you lambast other companies for their pay and benefits when you are at or below their rates.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Well, I don't have any full time employee's so it's going to be hard to make a comparison. I do have one person I trust that I hire to do odd jobs in his spare time and I pay him $10/hr even though the going rate is $8/hr.

I did hire almost all the major work done last year, but they don't charge by the hour, they charge by the acre.

Meaning that all but one of the workers (and that one only works sporadic part-time) on your farm are 1099 contract laborers. You don't even pay the employer half of their Social Security, much less provide benefits. Who's trying to fool who here?

You are the one trying to fool everyone. I hire a neighbor who has his own operation, should I pay for his SS?? He comes and does jobs at his leisure. I tell him what I want done and he does it when it works in his schedule. I'm not even there when he does the work but I know pretty close to how long it takes and it works out to $10/hr.

Go chase someone else's beans around. We all know that professional; money managers are people who mange your money for you until it's all gone.

You pay less than walmart and provide no benefits. I find it funny you lambast other companies for their pay and benefits when you are at or below their rates.

Fvck off troll. You seem to suffer from reading comprehension, LMAO!! I am not the only employer of the people I hire. They are INDEPENDANT contractors. The truth is the person I hire is richer then I am so put that in you pipe and smoke it. :laugh:

Sheeeeit man, you can't even troll properly. Go away and come back when you get a brain.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: fitzov
Why are only two people dominating this thread with anti minimum-wage rhetoric?

Because minimum wage isn't even close to the biggest issue in the US right now, and it's not an overly useful program anyway.

The parts of the rhetoric that are wrong ('it won't help anyone because of inflation' being the main one) have already been beaten into the ground.

I think most people see minimum wage for roughly what it is - a redistributive program that mostly increases student wages and costs high wage-earners a small amount through inflation. Hardly the most useful program ever conceived!

More to the point, I have admittedly been playing the devils advocate in this thread from the beginning. In real life, I am neutral on the subject of minimum wage. At best, all it does is protect the very lowest rung of adult wage earners from competition against students who are in the workforce for nothing more than the job experience.

I find it amusing that one can't even play the devils advocate here on ATPN without the circle-jerkers getting their panties in a wad and resorting to petty personal attacks. Don't you know that you have no arguments and nothing to argue about unless someone brought an argument to you?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Well, I don't have any full time employee's so it's going to be hard to make a comparison. I do have one person I trust that I hire to do odd jobs in his spare time and I pay him $10/hr even though the going rate is $8/hr.

I did hire almost all the major work done last year, but they don't charge by the hour, they charge by the acre.

Meaning that all but one of the workers (and that one only works sporadic part-time) on your farm are 1099 contract laborers. You don't even pay the employer half of their Social Security, much less provide benefits. Who's trying to fool who here?

You are the one trying to fool everyone. I hire a neighbor who has his own operation, should I pay for his SS?? He comes and does jobs at his leisure. I tell him what I want done and he does it when it works in his schedule. I'm not even there when he does the work but I know pretty close to how long it takes and it works out to $10/hr.

Go chase someone else's beans around. We all know that professional; money managers are people who mange your money for you until it's all gone.

Oh shut up dumbass. For one, I'm not a money manager. I'm a mortgage broker. Two, I understand how contract labor works, I'm just judging you by your hypocrisy.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Well, I don't have any full time employee's so it's going to be hard to make a comparison. I do have one person I trust that I hire to do odd jobs in his spare time and I pay him $10/hr even though the going rate is $8/hr.

I did hire almost all the major work done last year, but they don't charge by the hour, they charge by the acre.

Meaning that all but one of the workers (and that one only works sporadic part-time) on your farm are 1099 contract laborers. You don't even pay the employer half of their Social Security, much less provide benefits. Who's trying to fool who here?

You are the one trying to fool everyone. I hire a neighbor who has his own operation, should I pay for his SS?? He comes and does jobs at his leisure. I tell him what I want done and he does it when it works in his schedule. I'm not even there when he does the work but I know pretty close to how long it takes and it works out to $10/hr.

Go chase someone else's beans around. We all know that professional; money managers are people who mange your money for you until it's all gone.

Oh shut up dumbass. For one, I'm not a money manager. I'm a mortgage broker. Two, I understand how contract labor works, I'm just judging you by your hypocrisy.

You shut up dumbass. :laugh: About the hypocrisy remark, I just consider the source, a banker. LMAO!! You just made my day. That's as bad (worse IMO) as a used car saleman.

Bye

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Well, I don't have any full time employee's so it's going to be hard to make a comparison. I do have one person I trust that I hire to do odd jobs in his spare time and I pay him $10/hr even though the going rate is $8/hr.

I did hire almost all the major work done last year, but they don't charge by the hour, they charge by the acre.

Meaning that all but one of the workers (and that one only works sporadic part-time) on your farm are 1099 contract laborers. You don't even pay the employer half of their Social Security, much less provide benefits. Who's trying to fool who here?

You are the one trying to fool everyone. I hire a neighbor who has his own operation, should I pay for his SS?? He comes and does jobs at his leisure. I tell him what I want done and he does it when it works in his schedule. I'm not even there when he does the work but I know pretty close to how long it takes and it works out to $10/hr.

Go chase someone else's beans around. We all know that professional; money managers are people who mange your money for you until it's all gone.

You pay less than walmart and provide no benefits. I find it funny you lambast other companies for their pay and benefits when you are at or below their rates.

Fvck off troll. You seem to suffer from reading comprehension, LMAO!! I am not the only employer of the people I hire. They are INDEPENDANT contractors. The truth is the person I hire is richer then I am so put that in you pipe and smoke it. :laugh:

Sheeeeit man, you can't even troll properly. Go away and come back when you get a brain.

Whatever comforts you at night when you sleep after paying your servants slave wages.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Well, I don't have any full time employee's so it's going to be hard to make a comparison. I do have one person I trust that I hire to do odd jobs in his spare time and I pay him $10/hr even though the going rate is $8/hr.

I did hire almost all the major work done last year, but they don't charge by the hour, they charge by the acre.

Meaning that all but one of the workers (and that one only works sporadic part-time) on your farm are 1099 contract laborers. You don't even pay the employer half of their Social Security, much less provide benefits. Who's trying to fool who here?

You are the one trying to fool everyone. I hire a neighbor who has his own operation, should I pay for his SS?? He comes and does jobs at his leisure. I tell him what I want done and he does it when it works in his schedule. I'm not even there when he does the work but I know pretty close to how long it takes and it works out to $10/hr.

Go chase someone else's beans around. We all know that professional; money managers are people who mange your money for you until it's all gone.

Oh shut up dumbass. For one, I'm not a money manager. I'm a mortgage broker. Two, I understand how contract labor works, I'm just judging you by your hypocrisy.

You shut up dumbass. :laugh: About the hypocrisy remark, I just consider the source, a banker. LMAO!! You just made my day. That's as bad (worse IMO) as a used car saleman.

Bye

It's amazing to me how poorly you are able to defend your beliefs, and how intolerant you are to even the slightest questioning of them. FYI this is the reason why you always resort to personal attacks.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Well, I don't have any full time employee's so it's going to be hard to make a comparison. I do have one person I trust that I hire to do odd jobs in his spare time and I pay him $10/hr even though the going rate is $8/hr.

I did hire almost all the major work done last year, but they don't charge by the hour, they charge by the acre.

Meaning that all but one of the workers (and that one only works sporadic part-time) on your farm are 1099 contract laborers. You don't even pay the employer half of their Social Security, much less provide benefits. Who's trying to fool who here?

You are the one trying to fool everyone. I hire a neighbor who has his own operation, should I pay for his SS?? He comes and does jobs at his leisure. I tell him what I want done and he does it when it works in his schedule. I'm not even there when he does the work but I know pretty close to how long it takes and it works out to $10/hr.

Go chase someone else's beans around. We all know that professional; money managers are people who mange your money for you until it's all gone.

You pay less than walmart and provide no benefits. I find it funny you lambast other companies for their pay and benefits when you are at or below their rates.

Fvck off troll. You seem to suffer from reading comprehension, LMAO!! I am not the only employer of the people I hire. They are INDEPENDANT contractors. The truth is the person I hire is richer then I am so put that in you pipe and smoke it. :laugh:

Sheeeeit man, you can't even troll properly. Go away and come back when you get a brain.

Whatever comforts you at night when you sleep after paying your servants slave wages.

Yeah, independant contractors work for slave wages. I have one person who has his own operation that I hire to do physical work that I can no longer do and I have slaves. :roll:

Continue on with your feeble atempts at trolling, you seem to at least have yourself fooled, maybe another idiot/troll will believe you?? I really don't care what you think anyway. You've did nothing in this thread but to try and bait me and attack me so piss off TROLL!!






/Genx87

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Well, I don't have any full time employee's so it's going to be hard to make a comparison. I do have one person I trust that I hire to do odd jobs in his spare time and I pay him $10/hr even though the going rate is $8/hr.

I did hire almost all the major work done last year, but they don't charge by the hour, they charge by the acre.

Meaning that all but one of the workers (and that one only works sporadic part-time) on your farm are 1099 contract laborers. You don't even pay the employer half of their Social Security, much less provide benefits. Who's trying to fool who here?

You are the one trying to fool everyone. I hire a neighbor who has his own operation, should I pay for his SS?? He comes and does jobs at his leisure. I tell him what I want done and he does it when it works in his schedule. I'm not even there when he does the work but I know pretty close to how long it takes and it works out to $10/hr.

Go chase someone else's beans around. We all know that professional; money managers are people who mange your money for you until it's all gone.

Oh shut up dumbass. For one, I'm not a money manager. I'm a mortgage broker. Two, I understand how contract labor works, I'm just judging you by your hypocrisy.

You shut up dumbass. :laugh: About the hypocrisy remark, I just consider the source, a banker. LMAO!! You just made my day. That's as bad (worse IMO) as a used car saleman.

Bye

It's amazing to me how poorly you are able to defend your beliefs, and how intolerant you are to even the slightest questioning of them. FYI this is the reason why you always resort to personal attacks.

Your the one who always resorts to name calling and insults when someone disagrees with you. Apparently you can dish it out but can't take it.

Where is your historical data to prove your point? You have NONE, just name calling and insults. Sorry, but your a joke in my opinion.

Prove your assertions or STFU. Oh that's right you CAN"T.

/thread

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Your the one who always resorts to name calling and insults when someone disagrees with you. Apparently you can dish it out but can't take it.

Where is your historical data to prove your point? You have NONE, just name calling and insults. Sorry, but your a joke in my opinion.

Prove your assertions or STFU. Oh that's right you CAN"T.

/thread

O RLY? Because that's not what happened in this thread. It's funny that you think you can start a childish "he started it!" argument when the proof is documented for all to see. Your very first post in this thread (approximately the 55th of the thread) was a personal (and off-topic) attack against Genx87. Your 2nd post was an unprovoked personal attack against me.

And why do keep trying to end the thread? Do you really think your childish statements make you a winner in an adult argument? Seek professional help.