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Michele Backmamm wins the Iowa straw polls.

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This thread sounds about like the media coverage that followed - everyone not bothering to mention Ron Paul.

3 or 4 people mentioned Ron, but most of you speak of only 3 people: Romney, Perry, Bachmann
Even though Ron barely (Wasn't it something like 1%?) lost to the Iowa native Bachmann.

I guess the media is doing its job.
 
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MotF Bane said:
192 votes below Bachmann, I think, of some 16700 or 16800 total cast. Totally ignored by the media.
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Ron Paul always does well in shit like this, because he has a fanatic and organized base of supporters... but he falls flat in any type of real election contest.

Bachmann, on the other hand, was an unknown quantity going into the straw poll.
 
loki8481 said:
Ron Paul always does well in shit like this, because he has a fanatic and organized base of supporters... but he falls flat in any type of real election contest.

Bachmann, on the other hand, was an unknown quantity going into the straw poll.
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In other words, Paul's supporters really do support him.. through thick and thin. crazy.

Any type of real election contest? He won over 1 million votes in the actual Republican primaries in 2008, he had more money contributed in smaller amounts than any other Republican candidate at the same time Romney decided to drop out of the race,.. but hell, why am I even trying to tell you anything. Clearly you have your thumbs in your ears.

Paul's support base is not centrally-organized.. unlike the rest of the political field in the US.
 
loki8481 said:
this is true.

the problem is that no one else does, so who cares about his fanatical brigade?
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The fact that the mainstream Republicans - the type who don't closely follow politics - don't vote for Paul because he's never given any coverage by the media couldn't have anything to do with it, could it?

Go watch last nights Daily Show for some enlightenment as to why Ron Paul is not a viable candidate. The only reason he isn't viable is because the media tells people he's not viable.
 
BoberFett said:
The fact that the mainstream Republicans - the type who don't closely follow politics - don't vote for Paul because he's never given any coverage by the media couldn't have anything to do with it, could it?

Go watch last nights Daily Show for some enlightenment as to why Ron Paul is not a viable candidate. The only reason he isn't viable is because the media tells people he's not viable.
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This is a good point. The people who are more interested in politics and who do more of their own research and not just vote who the media tells them to, like people who visit and post on this forum, seem much more likely to vote for Ron Paul if they're conservative. I wonder why that is...
 
It would be nice if we could have some sort of marker in thread titles to signify when they have descended into the "Ron Paul is so great if only the vast conspirarcy wasn't keeping so many of you in the dark about his awesomeness" vein.

After all, this thread is supposed to be about Michele Bachmann.
 
MotF Bane said:
192 votes below Bachmann, I think, of some 16700 or 16800 total cast. Totally ignored by the media.
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Which is funny because from reports that day she personally took a group of stragglers by the hand to the polls, the group was estimated to be about 150-200 people. This was of course a testament to her "organizational" skills, at least to the GOP boot licking Fox commentators.
 
Thump553 said:
It would be nice if we could have some sort of marker in thread titles to signify when they have descended into the "Ron Paul is so great if only the vast conspirarcy wasn't keeping so many of you in the dark about his awesomeness" vein.

After all, this thread is supposed to be about Michele Bachmann.
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You have to either be an idiot, or willfully ignorant to believe that the media isn't the problem. I mean Jesus H Christ on a Crutch, they were talking about the potential of fucking Huntsman!!! The fucking dude got 68 fucking votes the entire time ignoring the guy that almost beat the "front runner". And give me a break, LL doesn't give a shit about Michele "Watch me deep throat a corndog"Bachmann, it's another partisan thread to try derailing the supposed "frontrunner" of the other guys team. Not even Spidey wants Bachmann.
 
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Ron Paul can't get above 9% in any real poll.

He won 35 delegates last time around, that is 1.6% of them.

He doesn't have a chance this time either. Distant 4th is the best he can do.
 
no one is calling Michelle Bachmann the front runner.

for what it's worth, I've got a friend who's a reporter for a NYC-area newspaper... she tells me that they get bombarded by even more Ron Paulite spam than we do, and that yes, it makes them hate the Paulites and run the other way rather than having to deal with them.
 
BoberFett said:
The fact that the mainstream Republicans - the type who don't closely follow politics - don't vote for Paul because he's never given any coverage by the media couldn't have anything to do with it, could it?
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Could it be that his views on Iran are crazy?

Pretty much everyone said that his answer to the Iran nuke question was insane.
 
Harvey said:
If Bachmann is the Repugnican candidate, she'll guarantee even Democrats who are thoroughly dissatisfied and disappointed with Obama will campaign aggressively and vote for him.
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Let's not kid ourselves, Dems will be afraid of anyone who doesn't roll them over and scratch their back while keeping their seat warm.

Bush did a great job at that and if it isn't your boy Romney this time around you'll muster the troops for an all out offensive against the 'extremist' threat. We haven't done our job as opponents if you don't feel a need to aggressively vote Obama.

Consider your response a litmus test for true conservatives.
 
ProfJohn said:
Could it be that his views on Iran are crazy?

Pretty much everyone said that his answer to the Iran nuke question was insane.
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I don't see Iran destroying and bankrupting this nation from within. Perhaps you should be more concerned with domestic policy and stopping Democrats from growing government.
 
The iowa straw poll matters a lot. He did not do well in it last time around. His results basically matched his results 6 months later in NH and other key primaries. Those that followed him in 2007 know that this was his first major failure, and it was big.

I think the same will hold true this time. He will at least triple his numbers from early 2008. That puts him in contention since the GOP isnt going to solidify around any one candidate. 3 years of 0 GDP growth tends to make people wise up against the same old partisan crap. Romney would be a shoe-in if it wasnt for that little hiccup. Bachmann has absolutely nothing on the economy. She cant go back 4 years and say "see, what did I tell you 4 years ago?" Because she toed the line like a good little minion 4 years ago. Meanwhile ron paul was causing mass cognitive dissonance 4 years ago, and people can see that, those that actually have the attention span to watch 20 minutes of clips on youtube anyway. Unfortunately that is about 15 minutes more than the average person will dedicate towards political research.
 
You Ron Paul fans are idiots.

It is a three way race between Perry, Romney and Bachmann and even Bachmann will end up being left in the dust.

The straw poll is meaningless. All it shows is that Paul can get a few thousand people to show up at one event. Once the primaries start though he is toast as he was last time.

He got 8% in New Hampshire.
3% in South Carolina
3% in Florida
 
I disagree somewhat, PJ. I think Bachmann peaked last weekend and will slip into obscurity from here. Perry can out-evangelize and out-tea party her any day of the week, all without appearing batshit crazy (for the most part) and without her anti-gay obsession. And he's prettier.

And lol at anyone who thinks the Iowa straw poll means anything except a tremendous fund raiser for the Iowa GOP. A political popularity poll where they charge you $30 to vote? A truely brillant scam.
 
I agree with you on Bachmann. Perry is the end of her.

Polls already show that, go to the one on drudge right now.
29% Perry
19% Romney
13% Bachmann
9% Paul

Bachmann probably goes down from here.
 
ProfJohn said:
Ron Paul can't get above 9% in any real poll.

He won 35 delegates last time around, that is 1.6% of them.

He doesn't have a chance this time either. Distant 4th is the best he can do.
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ProfJohn said:
Could it be that his views on Iran are crazy?

Pretty much everyone said that his answer to the Iran nuke question was insane.
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ProfJohn said:
You Ron Paul fans are idiots.

It is a three way race between Perry, Romney and Bachmann and even Bachmann will end up being left in the dust.

The straw poll is meaningless. All it shows is that Paul can get a few thousand people to show up at one event. Once the primaries start though he is toast as he was last time.

He got 8% in New Hampshire.
3% in South Carolina
3% in Florida
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Funny, you sound just like a Foxbot, not surprising, and so full of lies too.
 
loki8481 said:
also, the fact that people like roads.
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That's it in a nutshell. While Paul has an incredibly enthusiastic, even cult-like following, at the end of the day his positions are too extreme to appeal to mainstream Americans. While Americans claim to like "small government" as a concept, they don't really want it in practice. Small tax bills? Yes. Small government? Not so much.

Blaming the media is easy, but it misses the mark. Unlike the Paul faithful, the media understand how the Iowa GOP Straw Poll distorts actual support. They also understand how the RNC power brokers will never let a candidate like Paul succeed. It's not in the party's interests to do so. Paul is a curiosity, nothing more. He'd have far better luck running as an independent than as a Republican.
 
ProfJohn said:
You Ron Paul fans are idiots.

It is a three way race between Perry, Romney and Bachmann and even Bachmann will end up being left in the dust.

The straw poll is meaningless. All it shows is that Paul can get a few thousand people to show up at one event. Once the primaries start though he is toast as he was last time.

He got 8% in New Hampshire.
3% in South Carolina
3% in Florida
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What do you disagree with Ron Paul on?
Is it just foreign policy? Most of the things you say I agree with and I agree with RP on pretty much everything. So what is your disagreement with him?
 
Got to wonder though with RP as POTUS, and a - for the most part - divided Congress, if having a RP is exactly what we need (we being those of us who don't want to spend like drunken sailors, and don't want far right social ideas spread by the Fed).
 
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