I read luvly's post, and while I disagree I'm not going to get bent out of shape over it.
Bottom line: The trust in each other's fidelity was understood. We understood that were were an exclusive couple, and for 4 years it worked. Yes, we had problems. Everyone does. But if she was unhappy there were much better ways of dealing than this destructive behavior.
Story: When we were first going out she found my computer porn stash and almost dumped me. Over porn. She was mad for me "cheating" with some old pictures that I forgot I even had and hadn't opened in months, before we ever got together. So I think I have a right to expect a little loyalty through the more stressful times. I was there for her, she did not act in kind.
Bottom line: The trust in each other's fidelity was understood. We understood that were were an exclusive couple, and for 4 years it worked. Yes, we had problems. Everyone does. But if she was unhappy there were much better ways of dealing than this destructive behavior.
Story: When we were first going out she found my computer porn stash and almost dumped me. Over porn. She was mad for me "cheating" with some old pictures that I forgot I even had and hadn't opened in months, before we ever got together. So I think I have a right to expect a little loyalty through the more stressful times. I was there for her, she did not act in kind.
That guy would have slashed tires for the next year. And the girl would be showing me exactly what she did to him, over and over.
Pliablemoose
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- Oct 11, 1999
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Yep, you get your heart ripped out & stomped on once or twice, you come to that realization.
You forget about the hurt, chance another relationship and procreate and it happens again & there's a kid or 2 involved, and you get to pay alimony/child support for what seems like the rest of your natural life...
Then your ex finds a boyfriend in another country, and tries to kidnap your child, doesn't pay child support or split the medical expenses, you pay thousands of dollars to lawyers to straighten things out.
Oh wait, this isn't about me.
MichaelD is right...:beer:
MichaelD
Lifer
- Jan 16, 2001
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:Q LMAO!
PM, your stories top even mine. I raise my :beer: to you, Sir.
You are one of the rare, rare few men that have actually beaten the system that is so heavily stacked against the males of this country. A toast wine: ) to PliableMoose, defender of the faith!!!! *here-here!*No, but tales of woe, pain, betrayal, and misery are always welcome. Sounds like you had plenty of each.
rudeguy
Lifer
- Dec 27, 2001
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jaeger66-
Sorry to hear about your luck. Here is my $.02. If she did this once, she will do it again, ditch her now to avoid further hurt. The flip side is that if you do stay with her, you will have a license to cheat any time you want. I would take the first option myself. I would rather be alone and know my fate, rather than constantly wonder about what my girlfriend is doing and who she is doing it to.
Have a :beer: on me, and let us know the moment the worthless whore's ass hits the curb.
Sorry to hear about your luck. Here is my $.02. If she did this once, she will do it again, ditch her now to avoid further hurt. The flip side is that if you do stay with her, you will have a license to cheat any time you want. I would take the first option myself. I would rather be alone and know my fate, rather than constantly wonder about what my girlfriend is doing and who she is doing it to.
Have a :beer: on me, and let us know the moment the worthless whore's ass hits the curb.
Conjur, I do agree with you that a woman's evilness is worse than a man's. Hers involves the emotions and can get extremely nast. But I disagree that most women who commit adultery or the like of it have no remorse.
Jumpr: From my recollection, the thread in which Geekbabe posted that point of view ended up being deleted. She was being attacked by many members. I thought it was kind of weird that she had been cheated on before, yet she defended the idea that it had to be understood to be a closed relationship; otherwise it was an open relationship. Maybe she can avow to that view she posted.
Jaeger, it's all good if it was understood to be exclusive. In that case, you have a right to be upset. However, I think when someone does it to you twice and you still defend it, then you deserve what you're getting.
Fledenak, hahaha! Gobadgrs has his own thing that made him say that. I chuckled when I read his statement, and I didn't mind. It's all good. Guys always think girls with different point of views from theirs are incapable of rationalising and having just as much valid points. I guess that's the beauty of life: We can all agree to disagree.
Jumpr: From my recollection, the thread in which Geekbabe posted that point of view ended up being deleted. She was being attacked by many members. I thought it was kind of weird that she had been cheated on before, yet she defended the idea that it had to be understood to be a closed relationship; otherwise it was an open relationship. Maybe she can avow to that view she posted.
Jaeger, it's all good if it was understood to be exclusive. In that case, you have a right to be upset. However, I think when someone does it to you twice and you still defend it, then you deserve what you're getting.
Fledenak, hahaha! Gobadgrs has his own thing that made him say that. I chuckled when I read his statement, and I didn't mind. It's all good.
Guys always think girls with different point of views from theirs are incapable of rationalising and having just as much valid points. I guess that's the beauty of life: We can all agree to disagree.It wasn't so much of me calling anything. It was a given. You can't go swimming without getting wet, and as long as Luvly is around, somehow the man is always at fault. Death, Taxes, and the man always being at fault while luvly is around. These are the only guarenteed things in life.
"It wasn't so much of me calling anything. It was a given. You can't go swimming without getting wet, and as long as Luvly is around, somehow the man is always at fault. Death, Taxes, and the man always being at fault while luvly is around. These are the only guarenteed things in life."
Hahaha! You're so cute. I think I can say the same about the nerds here. As long as this forum exists, the man can do no wrong, the woman is always at fault, and of course evil. In fact, here's my proof: Just look at the title of this thread. Yep, a man [is given sole credit]. Hahaha! I'm just kidding to help you with your perception of me always seeing things as masculine or feminine.
I only have to defend my sex . . . men have had it too easy. It's time for women's true revolution to come back, except we won't waste our time on petty matters. We want a turn on matters of the emotion. We want to be treated well by men. I know I want to be treated well. I can't make or change a man; and I won't try to do that. However, I can build my defence and demand to be treated well. I want a companion, instead of a**hole.
Hahaha!
You're so cute. I think I can say the same about the nerds here. As long as this forum exists, the man can do no wrong, the woman is always at fault, and of course evil. In fact, here's my proof: Just look at the title of this thread. Yep, a man [is given sole credit]. Hahaha! I'm just kidding to help you with your perception of me always seeing things as masculine or feminine.I only have to defend my sex . . . men have had it too easy. It's time for women's true revolution to come back, except we won't waste our time on petty matters. We want a turn on matters of the emotion. We want to be treated well by men.
I know I want to be treated well. I can't make or change a man; and I won't try to do that. However, I can build my defence and demand to be treated well. I want a companion, instead of a**hole.
On what do you base that opinion? Mine is based on personal experience and also experiences of friends/co-workers (and, of course, our dear jaeger66 here).
I really don't get you. Why are you defending jaeger's girlfriend's right to give a blow job to another guy while they're in a four-year relationship? You're fvcking crazy.Originally posted by: luvly
"It wasn't so much of me calling anything. It was a given. You can't go swimming without getting wet, and as long as Luvly is around, somehow the man is always at fault. Death, Taxes, and the man always being at fault while luvly is around. These are the only guarenteed things in life."
Hahaha!
I only have to defend my sex . . . men have had it too easy. It's time for women's true revolution to come back, except we won't waste our time on petty matters. We want a turn on matters of the emotion. We want to be treated well by men.
Jumpr, I haven't defended her conduct. What I have said is that Jaeger is defending her conduct himself, so he deserves what he gets. When he stops defending her conduct and wears some guts to make firm decisions, then he can come asking for sympathy. At this time, I won't even let you kiss my behind: Just kiss off now. I'm through with you.
"So sayeth the aspiring model."
I didn't say that kind of revolution. Modelling is strictly business, not whoring. I didn't say it wasn't a good idea for women to do things that are strictly business. Don't confuse me with the lesbian feminists. I'm not that kind of feminist.
Conjur, I base mine upon friends, family members ('cuz I've never been married), my own experience (i.e., what I have done and would do to a significant other, including what has been done to me), everyday news, true life stories on TV and of course female geared organisations.
"So sayeth the aspiring model."
I didn't say that kind of revolution. Modelling is strictly business, not whoring.
I didn't say it wasn't a good idea for women to do things that are strictly business. Don't confuse me with the lesbian feminists. I'm not that kind of feminist.Conjur, I base mine upon friends, family members ('cuz I've never been married), my own experience (i.e., what I have done and would do to a significant other, including what has been done to me), everyday news, true life stories on TV and of course female geared organisations.
So prostitution is OK with you then, right? I mean.....it's strictly business from the woman's standpoint. It's even somewhat empowering since she's got something the man wants, but he has to pay her for it first. If you shake your ass on a runway for money; you're not any kind of feminist.
MichaelD
Lifer
- Jan 16, 2001
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Originally posted by: luvly
"It wasn't so much of me calling anything. It was a given. You can't go swimming without getting wet, and as long as Luvly is around, somehow the man is always at fault. Death, Taxes, and the man always being at fault while luvly is around. These are the only guarenteed things in life."
Hahaha!
I only have to defend my sex . . . men have had it too easy. It's time for women's true revolution to come back, except we won't waste our time on petty matters. We want a turn on matters of the emotion. We want to be treated well by men.
You're whining, dear. Being a waa-waa. Throwing your own pity-me party.
And you've got it backwards; men have been getting shafted for years now. Granted, there are the few exceptions out there; women that somehow managed to catch the short end of the stick, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
The woman is not always at fault. In the context of this thread she is, but that's this thread and not a sweeping rule.
"You're whining, dear. Being a waa-waa. Throwing your own pity-me party.
And you've got it backwards; men have been getting shafted for years now. Granted, there are the few exceptions out there; women that somehow managed to catch the short end of the stick, but that's the exception rather than the rule."
Hehe! MichaelD, I was teasing the poster since he thinks I'm a staunch women's defender. Although often I tend to defend women, I criticise women too when I see them do wrong (in my view). Often it's hard because the forum is geared toward men, so many of them have views that are strictly male (including you Michael ). Secondly, the other party isn't here to defend herself (or himself). So unless there's sufficient detail for me to independently conclude that it's true, I try to take the information without giving it too much or 100% credence. If you check, I have been critical of some female relationship posts here before.
"So prostitution is OK with you then, right? I mean.....it's strictly business from the woman's standpoint. It's even somewhat empowering since she's got something the man wants, but he has to pay her for it first. If you shake your ass on a runway for money; you're not any kind of feminist."
Would you be shocked to learn that I actually think it's all right? It's the longest job on this earth, and it's understood to be strictly business. Of course I mean for female adults with all faculties functioning. If it were legalised, it helps the women doing the business. They get to protect themselves both healthwise and from predators. Yes, of course. If you think I'm not any kind of feminist, I'm pleased to learn that, 'cuz many people disagree with you. I do think though that it would be a good idea for you to read the history of feminism and understand that there are different types of feminists, not just the mainstream feminism that's depicted. Some of them have very different views about what the future of women should be. The main commonality they share is women's suffrage, work experience and equality. After that, they all divert or have little commonality.
And you've got it backwards; men have been getting shafted for years now. Granted, there are the few exceptions out there; women that somehow managed to catch the short end of the stick, but that's the exception rather than the rule."
Hehe!
MichaelD, I was teasing the poster since he thinks I'm a staunch women's defender. Although often I tend to defend women, I criticise women too when I see them do wrong (in my view). Often it's hard because the forum is geared toward men, so many of them have views that are strictly male (including you Michael ). Secondly, the other party isn't here to defend herself (or himself). So unless there's sufficient detail for me to independently conclude that it's true, I try to take the information without giving it too much or 100% credence. If you check, I have been critical of some female relationship posts here before."So prostitution is OK with you then, right? I mean.....it's strictly business from the woman's standpoint. It's even somewhat empowering since she's got something the man wants, but he has to pay her for it first. If you shake your ass on a runway for money; you're not any kind of feminist."
Would you be shocked to learn that I actually think it's all right? It's the longest job on this earth, and it's understood to be strictly business. Of course I mean for female adults with all faculties functioning. If it were legalised, it helps the women doing the business. They get to protect themselves both healthwise and from predators. Yes, of course. If you think I'm not any kind of feminist, I'm pleased to learn that, 'cuz many people disagree with you. I do think though that it would be a good idea for you to read the history of feminism and understand that there are different types of feminists, not just the mainstream feminism that's depicted. Some of them have very different views about what the future of women should be. The main commonality they share is women's suffrage, work experience and equality. After that, they all divert or have little commonality.
Except that if real equality existed women's self-respect would almost never allow them to chose prostitution as a career. Modeling I can almost understand since it pays well and rarely involves smelly strangers jerking off on you.
Oh really? And who might these "many people" be? Your fellow feminist models, perhaps? I'm sure you're a regular Gloria Steinham in Prada and heels.
So you're a model, aspiring attorney and have a PhD in Women's Studies? I'm so impressed.
Back on topic: jaeger has been seriously screwed over by a woman and has a sticky situation to deal with regarding the house and its contents. Unless you have something other than your patented pseudo-intellectual grammatical disasters to contribute, how about you just stay out of the thread? Choosing indefensible positions to argue for their own sake (presumably as practice for your legal career) is completely inappropriate in this particular case.
Wait, wait . . . don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say I had a PhD in Women's Studies. Besides, I wouldn't get a PhD on that. What I do have is a deg. in phil. My interest has always been in history, but it occurred to me that I couldn't do much with it careerwise. I would still like a degree in history, but I won't go out of my way to accomplish it. So if the school I end up going to turns out to have history along with an MS in Econs and JD, then I'll go for it. Or if I don't settle for a JD, then I'll go for Econs and History (I already know a school offering something like this, but it's in the UK). I can and do read non-fictional books to help me acquire some information [about history].
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