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Fausto

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Originally posted by: luvly
Wait, wait . . . don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say I had a PhD in Women's Studies. Besides, I wouldn't get a PhD on that. What I do have is a deg. in phil. My interest has always been in history, but it occurred to me that I couldn't do much with it careerwise. I would still like a degree in history, but I won't go out of my way to accomplish it. So if the school I end up going to turns out to have history along with an MS in Econs and JD, then I'll go for it. Or if I don't settle for a JD, then I'll go for Econs and History (I already know a school offering something like this, but it's in the UK). I can and do read non-fictional books to help me acquire some information [about history].
Great. I will sleep well tonight knowing you have an ambitious career path for your e-persona all plotted out.
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MaxDepth

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Ouch. You'll never erase that mental image, even if you decide to stay together.

When she is home, do this. (But not make a show of it, be quiet and introspective about it.)
Go to the table, desk, or whever in the public part of the house where she can see you and sit down.
Using a notebook or pieces of paper, start to make 2 lists.
One list: Reasons To Keep Her
The other piece of paper, the other list: Reasons to Have Her Leave

Be honest with yourself when you make up the topics. You should have topics like: Money (mortgage, bills, etc.); Physical Property (cars, furniture); Happiness; and Life with.. (future); and Life without (future)

Let her see you writing this all down. If she asks, tell her what you are doing in a calm, rational voice (you can do this, you'll be surprised how well it come out). Invite her to sit down with you. If she gets all bent out of shape while you are doing this, don't follow her down that path. Find that cold spot in your heart and hold on to it. Maintain your focus and plow right through it. Don't stop until you think you are finished.

If she asks what you decided, tell her that you need a night's sleep before looking at the list again to make a decision. And leave the list on the table. If she tears it up, then remake the list tomorrow and deal with the potential in either one. Either you make a decision to have her stay or the lists point to her dismissal. But whatever you decide, do not let money be the overwhelming factor into letting her stay. You can always borrow money from somewhere - do not pay extortion!

Hope this helps (it did for me, once).
 

jaeger66

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Originally posted by: MaxDepth


Hope this helps (it did for me, once).

Now that we're back on topic that sounds like an excellent idea. The basic thing is that at the moment I'm pretty limited in my options. So for the immediate future I'm stuck here. I'm almost 30, I can't go back to sleeping on somebody's floor. And even if I did I'd still be miserable so I might as well stay where the water is hot and the A/C is cold. As far as long term, I think I already know how that will end; let's say with 98% certainty. The only little thing holding me back is that if it wasn't for people giving me second chances I didn't deserve I'd probably be in the gutter somewhere.

And contrary to what some people have said, I'm not afraid to be alone. I lived alone virtually the entire time between when I went to college at 18 and when me and Divine moved in together when I was 26. If I had the means I'd already be gone, but I don't, so I'm not. To put it another way, right now seeing her every day won't make me feel any worse than being functionally homeless.

 

GoingUp

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Originally posted by: luvly
"It wasn't so much of me calling anything. It was a given. You can't go swimming without getting wet, and as long as Luvly is around, somehow the man is always at fault. Death, Taxes, and the man always being at fault while luvly is around. These are the only guarenteed things in life."

Hahaha! :D You're so cute. I think I can say the same about the nerds here. As long as this forum exists, the man can do no wrong, the woman is always at fault, and of course evil. ;) In fact, here's my proof: Just look at the title of this thread. Yep, a man [is given sole credit]. Hahaha! I'm just kidding to help you with your perception of me always seeing things as masculine or feminine.

I only have to defend my sex . . . men have had it too easy. It's time for women's true revolution to come back, except we won't waste our time on petty matters. We want a turn on matters of the emotion. We want to be treated well by men. ;) I know I want to be treated well. I can't make or change a man; and I won't try to do that. However, I can build my defence and demand to be treated well. I want a companion, instead of a**hole.

I think that if it were a woman posting, and a man cheated on her, the guys on the board would be just as upset. Infidelity in anycase is INEXCUSEABLE. It doesn't matter if a guy or girl did the cheating, its completely their fault. Trying to pin the blame on Jaeger because his GF went down on a guy in a car is so moronic its baffling how deep the depths of your stupidity can go. If a partner is no longer interested in a relationship, its time to leave and break up, not sleep around and wait to see how things turn out. You demand respect, yet you have convientantly overlooked the fact that Jaegers GF didn't demonstrate any at all.

Jaeger needs to get rid of the girl and move on, but he is in a sticky situation at the moment. He is also entitled to look for comfort and compassion from other people. I was crushed when my GF of 6 months left me for her EX while I was abroad. It makes me wonder what was happening while I was away. And at least she broke up with me, I cant even comprehend what I would do if my GF of 4 years cheated on me. So why dont you cut the man some friggin slack, and instead of attempting to hijack yet another thread with comments about how wonderful you are, why dont you start your own Ode to Luvly thread.

Im sure lots of AT members would be happy to chime in with their opinions, which you say you dont care about, yet you somehow never cease your posting of ideas and statements about how wonderful you and your family are. Everybody toots their own horn from time to time. Your the only person I know who has a full brass band. Youve stated in the past that people think you are much younger than your actual age of 23ish, I would think that it has less to do with your looks, and more to do with your immmature attitude. Maybe sometime in the distant future, you too can get over whatever demons from your past still haunt you and open yourself up to actually being able to demonstrate compassion and love. Until then, maybe you should change your forum nick to something other than Luvly.
 

MaxDepth

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Originally posted by: XCLAN
MichaelD is right

Anyone ever repeats this statement you are permanently on my sh!t list

MichaelD is right!

so there, pthththhthhttltlptpptpppp!
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(another intelligent and thoughtful response from an "adult")



jaeger66 - again, write things down! If you see how much you need to get by on a month to month basis, then you have a physical and viable goal to achieve! If you only think about it, then you will always be limited. YAHOO -You Always Have Other Options!
 

Geekbabe

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Originally posted by: jaeger66
Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
Well good luck.


Did you pay for any of the house? I don't think it should be that hard to move out.

Anyway before you leave put it in her pooper without lube, and say goodbye after that.

We split most of the costs, moving, bank payments, and that stuff, but that was only back in January so we were just starting to recover from all of that.

Then you have a half ownership in that house.The question remaining is how you want to go about getting your equity out.Do you want the house sold and the proceeds split? Would you rather stay there rent,bill free till you can find work and get a new place?
 

Koing

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Sorry for you man :(

Hope it all goes good in the end.

It takes two to tango. She cheated on you but if she was stronger/better or what not she wouldn't have. The other guy isn't to blame. It was either him or another guy really........

Koing
 

Rainsford

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The human population is ~50% female. What does this mean for you? It means there are enough women out there that you don't have to put up with this kind of crap. So dump her like a sack full of sh!t and find a girl who cares as much about you as you do about her.

And just a little more advice, if she says "it was all a mistake", don't listen. That kind of thing is not a "mistake", she didn't give this guy a blow job "by accident". Maybe it was a stupid decision, but when two people are really in love, that kind of thing isn't even tempting.

Summary: Don't be a tool, dump her and find someone better. The world is full of women, and surprising number are warm, caring and considerate and would never do that to someone they really love.
 

"Jaeger needs to get rid of the girl and move on, but he is in a sticky situation at the moment. He is also entitled to look for comfort and compassion from other people."

Did I stop him from doing that? Where did you see me stopping him? I am just as entitled to an opinion as he is and you are. The biggest irony at this forum is a bunch of people with mob mentality jumping to the defence of someone who didn't ask for it. The guy's seen my post, which was explicitly written to him. He chose not to get bent over it. Maybe you should take a cue instead of playing spokesperson for the individual to whom it was addressed.

"So why dont you cut the man some friggin slack. . . ."

Why the need for that? Cutting him some "friggin slack" would be assuming myself as some supreme authority. What I posted there was explicitly an opinion. He understood it as such and didn't cry over spilt milk. So maybe you shouldnt? Sorry if you still have some past experience haunting you, but it isn't my duty to babysit you or anyone else. Talk about irony . . . for someone who keeps posting ridiculously sexist statements (re. your earlier posts in this thread and other threads). You sound too bitter. Perhaps that explains your decision to stoop this low and get personal. I will no longer entertain that. Thanks for showing how low you can go. I'm pleased to learn that. Hope you have a good rest and nothing like spontaneous combustion occurs due to your accumulated emotional distress. As for my personal business, life or family, it's none of your freakin' biz. Nice try in your effort to attack me personally by involving the status of my family. I won't be moved and will not respond to your comments. As for my nick, get real: Luvly is simply how it felt when I discovered a hot deal site. It has nothing to do with who I am as a person. Maybe you should change your nick from the boring nick to a nick that reflects someone consumed with emotions.
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I'll simply never change my nick just to please some miserable nerds who are only familiar with sadness or pity, pity, pity.
 

GoingUp

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Where to begin...

Originally posted by: luvly

Talk about irony . . . for someone who keeps posting ridiculously sexist statements (re. your earlier posts in this thread and other threads).

What posts would those have been? The post when I told Jaeger not to let you blame him for what happened? The one where I said Americans could learn a thing or two from Muslim countries where cheating is punishable by death? Maybe it was the comment I had about how cheating is INEXCUSABLE under any circumstances and its completely the fault of the person who cheats.

Maybe youre referring to the fact when I said its a given that you try to blame things on men all the time, which I guess could be construed as sexist except for the fact that I am referring to you specifically. You however confirmed this accusation when you said I only have to defend my sex . . . men have had it too easy. I guess by placing the blame on other people you are successfully defending your fellow women? Oh what a great lawyer you'll make. Maybe you need to learn how to plead the 5th.

As for my personal business, life or family, it's none of your freakin' biz. Nice try in your effort to attack me personally by involving the status of my family.

Listen hon' while I do know personal things about you, I have kept my word and never shared them with anyone. You yourself even hinted at past relationship problems in a thread. http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=1093435 For someone who was lecturing me earlier about privacy on the internet, looks like you forgot about it yourself. Better luck next time hon'

"Dog house with no dog? It sounds as if you've been bitten by a doggie or two in your relationship lifetime?"

LMAO! Ah! You can say that . . . something close, close enough, I think.


As for my nick, get real: Luvly is simply how it felt when I discovered a hot deal site. It has nothing to do with who I am as a person. Maybe you should change your nick from the boring nick to a nick that reflects someone consumed with emotions.
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I'll simply never change my nick just to please some miserable nerds who are only familiar with sadness or pity, pity, pity.

As far as my comments about you changing your nickname go, I am sure everyone here on the forums is familiar with how you got your nickname. It was a tease in your direction due to your cynical cold nature. Wow, you really do have the makings of a great lawyer.
 

jaeger66

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Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Then you have a half ownership in that house.The question remaining is how you want to go about getting your equity out.Do you want the house sold and the proceeds split? Would you rather stay there rent,bill free till you can find work and get a new place?


Are you sure? Arizona has the usual community property laws but is not a common law state. So while I'm not a lawyer it seems that unless we're legally married we have no claim on each other's property.
 

Geekbabe

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Originally posted by: jaeger66
Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Then you have a half ownership in that house.The question remaining is how you want to go about getting your equity out.Do you want the house sold and the proceeds split? Would you rather stay there rent,bill free till you can find work and get a new place?


Are you sure? Arizona has the usual community property laws but is not a common law state. So while I'm not a lawyer it seems that unless we're legally married we have no claim on each other's property.


There are debts you owe legally and there are debts you are morally obligated to pay,you've gone in on half of every dime thatwent into purchasing that house.Now,while she is feeling remorsefuland gulity get her to make an agreement as to how you will be reimbursed,then get it drawn up by a lawyer
 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: jaeger66
Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Then you have a half ownership in that house.The question remaining is how you want to go about getting your equity out.Do you want the house sold and the proceeds split? Would you rather stay there rent,bill free till you can find work and get a new place?


Are you sure? Arizona has the usual community property laws but is not a common law state. So while I'm not a lawyer it seems that unless we're legally married we have no claim on each other's property.


There are debts you owe legally and there are debts you are morally obligated to pay,you've gone in on half of every dime thatwent into purchasing that house.Now,while she is feeling remorsefuland gulity get her to make an agreement as to how you will be reimbursed,then get it drawn up by a lawyer

Wow; I applaud your sense of fair play. :) She'll never go for it though. Not in a million years. I don't know her or jaeger66 for that matter; but "MichaelD Knows." ;)

But hey, you don't know if you don't try, so go for it. But STILL plan on leaving and empty-handed at that. Just get the hell out of there, man. It's only a matter of time before you come home and she's bumping uglies with some dude on the couch...or in your bed.

 

Geekbabe

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: jaeger66
Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Then you have a half ownership in that house.The question remaining is how you want to go about getting your equity out.Do you want the house sold and the proceeds split? Would you rather stay there rent,bill free till you can find work and get a new place?


Are you sure? Arizona has the usual community property laws but is not a common law state. So while I'm not a lawyer it seems that unless we're legally married we have no claim on each other's property.


There are debts you owe legally and there are debts you are morally obligated to pay,you've gone in on half of every dime thatwent into purchasing that house.Now,while she is feeling remorsefuland gulity get her to make an agreement as to how you will be reimbursed,then get it drawn up by a lawyer

Wow; I applaud your sense of fair play. :) She'll never go for it though. Not in a million years. I don't know her or jaeger66 for that matter; but "MichaelD Knows." ;)

But hey, you don't know if you don't try, so go for it. But STILL plan on leaving and empty-handed at that. Just get the hell out of there, man. It's only a matter of time before you come home and she's bumping uglies with some dude on the couch...or in your bed.



Why are you surprised? I've always considered debts incurred on my behalf by a partner in a long term relationship to be obligations of honor that need to be settled fairly and as quickly as possible .


Of course I'm just a crazy old broad who always thought that the best exit was one you took with as much class as you could muster,that could be why I got the 3 kids and didn't get anything else but the bills.
 

Joker81

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Maybe you should go to a shooting range and fire off some bullets. Its a nice stress releaver.
 

Okay, to Jaeger: I'm sorry some people chose to change the subject of the thread to something personal about me. I don't like to hijack threads, but I do think you've gotten advices from people in regards to your finance. I've never been involved in a property sharing relationship, so I can't help. Hope the advice from others works for you, should you grow the guts to break up with your gf. So, excuse me as I post my last response within this thread:

"Maybe youre referring to the fact when I said its a given that you try to blame things on men all the time, which I guess could be construed as sexist except for the fact that I am referring to you specifically."

[Gobadgrs:] Well, not that in particular, but that does qualify. My actual reference was this one: "The one where I said Americans could learn a thing or two from Muslim countries where cheating is punishable by death?"

You know the sad and serious truth? Well, the people punished aren't just the guilty. The women are the ones punished by death for adultery. First off, she's presumed guilty. But even if she's truly guilty, the man who's just as guilty gets away scot-free. Would you proudly endorse such a biased system, even if you think punishment by death is acceptable?

"It was a tease in your direction due to your cynical cold nature. Wow, you really do have the makings of a great lawyer."

Oh, what a nice tone to use for a tease.
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Well, if you honestly meant it as a tease, then you didn't convey it well. Therefore, I took it at the tone of the other posts, especially with the lack of an emoticon. It's okay now that you've stated you were only teasing me, albeit not the best tease. I still find it interesting that many others on this forum or you perceive me as this cold-hearted type of person. As I've said before, I'm very much the opposite. I just don't give my emotions to strangers with whom I cannot verify a fact, have reason to be sceptical, I'm hardly close to, or to someone who begs for pity.

"Listen hon' while I do know personal things about you, I have kept my word and never shared them with anyone."

Listen sweetie: Don't try to play Mr. Nice Guy 'cuz you aren't nice. Even the fact that you felt compelled to make this announcement is just begging for "look at me: Mr. Nice Guy", which you aren't. You have disclosed personal information that I never permitted you to state publicly. You can't redeem my impression of you as far as your ability to keep things private at this point (not even your personal site). Everything happens for good, doesn't it? Reread your last paragraph in your previous post. I'm so proud of your ability.
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"You yourself even hinted at past relationship problems in a thread."

Nice try, Mr. Wannabe Substitute Lawyer. ;) But frankly, hinting with such generic statement is not the same as actually disclosing information, details or posting my personal url with my personal information revealed.

If you want to discuss anything further, PM me 'cuz I'm done with this thread. My impression of you stinks, like never before, at this point. (. . . not that I expect you to keep PM contents private, except with the written consent of the other party or to help uncover a crime/violation/tragedy.
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*Shrug*)

P.S.: Sorry to MichaelD too, since the thread was supposed to be partly glory to you; hence about you too. ;) LOL! Nice to see an old fart finally get credit, but I'm sure you don't mind. ;) :D
 

Fausto

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Since when does "I won't be moved and will not respond to your comments." translate to a 1000-word essay? Shut the fsck up already. That all could have been sent in a PM, but it's just so much more fun when everyone gets to hear about you, isn't it. Why don't you post more headless pics of yourself too so a few lonely nerds can tell you how hot you are.....for the 1,000th time. Just make sure you put in some perfunctory assertions of your vast modesty beforehand like you always do so we won't think you're a shallow, annoying, attention-starved model wanna-be or anything.

The more you post, the more you make this thread about you. I know that's your intent, but jaeger's got enough on his plate without your bullshit cluttering up the works.
 

GoingUp

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Luvly, since you fancy yourself as the lawerly/political type, its only natural that you get hung up on semantics. I suppose it really doesn't even matter how I state things as you will look at them differently so they fit your point of view.

"Maybe youre referring to the fact when I said its a given that you try to blame things on men all the time, which I guess could be construed as sexist except for the fact that I am referring to you specifically."

[Gobadgrs:] Well, not that in particular, but that does qualify. My actual reference was this one: "The one where I said Americans could learn a thing or two from Muslim countries where cheating is punishable by death?"

How does that qualify? I am referring to you, Luvly, specifically and not making a blanket statement concerning all women. Way to try and equate my opinion solely as a sexist reference. I guess there really is no merit for my accusations, because you clearly have time and time again held a woman responsible for her inappropriate actions.
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You know the sad and serious truth? Well, the people punished aren't just the guilty. The women are the ones punished by death for adultery. First off, she's presumed guilty. But even if she's truly guilty, the man who's just as guilty gets away scot-free. Would you proudly endorse such a biased system, even if you think punishment by death is acceptable?

Whos presumed guilty? Jaegers GF? She frickin admitted to going down on the guy for cryin out loud.

"According to Islam, a man could be married to four women simultaneously on the condition that those women are loved and treated equally. However, a man caught with a woman other than his wife and a married woman caught with anyone beside her husband are both convicted of adultery. The punishment for such conviction is to be stoned to death."

http://www.sais-jhu.edu/studorgs/foreignobserver/1097/forum.html
There you have it. A statement that says that adultery in Islam is punishable by death for all parties.

What about this quote directly from the Quran regarding stoning men to death for adultery?
http://www.quransearch.com/adultery_punishment.htm

"As he was being brought to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) I saw Ma'iz b. Malik-a short-statured person with strong sinews, having no cloak around him. He bore witness against his own self four times that he had committed adultery, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Perhaps (you kissed her or embraced her). He said: No. by God, one deviating (from the path of virtue) has committed adultery. He then got him stoned (to death), and then delivered the address: Behold, as we set out for Jihad in the cause of Allah, one of you lagged behind and shrieked like the bleating of a male goat, and gave a small quantity of milk. By Allah, in case I get hold of him, I shall certainly punish him. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 17, The Book Pertaining to Punishments Prescribed by Islam (Kitab Al-Hudud), Number 4198)"

http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/

Maybe if you want to watch men getting stoned to death for adultery in Iran, you will click the above link. Whatever you do, drop the sob story about how only women get punished.

"Listen hon' while I do know personal things about you, I have kept my word and never shared them with anyone."

Listen sweetie: Don't try to play Mr. Nice Guy 'cuz you aren't nice. Even the fact that you felt compelled to make this announcement is just begging for "look at me: Mr. Nice Guy", which you aren't. You have disclosed personal information that I never permitted you to state publicly. You can't redeem my impression of you as far as your ability to keep things private at this point (not even your personal site). Everything happens for good, doesn't it? Reread your last paragraph in your previous post. I'm so proud of your ability.
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"You yourself even hinted at past relationship problems in a thread."

Nice try, Mr. Wannabe Substitute Lawyer. ;) But frankly, hinting with such generic statement is not the same as actually disclosing information, details or posting my personal url with my personal information revealed.

Seeing as how I already somehow made private information public, maybe you could do me the favor of pointing out what information that was.... Since its already out in public, it shouldn't matter at all. And the statement is not a generic one. It's quite obvious what was implied by what you said. Funny how you always make assumptions and inferences from what other people say. but you don't like it when people do the same to you.

Oh and if you are referring to my posting of your approximate age, you also stated it in another thread...

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=1065407&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=arc&STARTPAGE=14

06/12/2003 2:04 PM


"Anorexically skinny people are ugly. Without any muscle at all, it amazes me that they can open a jar of tomato sauce without help."

That was pretty funny, SpeeDemon. I too wonder how those anorexically skinny chicks make it. The only problem is, I've never heard of an adjective such as "anoxerically".

"not really relevant to the thread topic, but more out of personal curiosity. I'm guessing the 23-28 range?"

I see. I'm actually in my early 20s (i.e., 20-24).

Ball is in your court....
 

jaeger66

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Originally posted by: Rufio
dude...i am so lost in this thread.....


but jaeger66, any updates?

The simple reality is that we're just going to have to tolerate each other until I can get it together so I can move out. I had been spending most of my time on the job search, but this last week really knocked me off track. So I'm finding it a bit hard to get refocused. If anything hapens I'll post it. Thanks for the concern guys.

 

ROTC1983

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Jaeger66, dude, I hope things work out man. Sucks to have that much time invested into something and then it comes all crashing down. Good luck...