Michael Moore trashes "American Sniper"

[cubby1223]

The American Sniper calls his enemy savages in the movie. How are you not keeping up?

Oh wow, you found some sarcasm on the internet! Good find!

 

[Double Trouble]

Just when I thought I'd seen it all, a new level of stupidity is established.

There is no facepalm big enough for many of the posts in this thread, starting with every single one by TreVader.

Michael Moore is an accomplished troll. He's similar to Ann Coulter -- produce garbage (books, movies whatever), fire up the people on the other side of the isle, and profit! No attention should be given to trolls, on forums or elsewhere.

 

[rommelrommel]

I guess we were invaders in WWII then.

Well, the allies did technically invade Vichy France, Nazi Germany, a bunch of puppet governments in Eastern Europe, and most of northern Africa among others.

I guess that makes all the allies "invaders" in a certain slant of light. More so the USSR but hey...

 

[MongGrel]

This is pretty much a "Who gives a shit" thing.

 

[ivwshane]

Oh wow, you found some sarcasm on the internet! Good find!

You'd love to believe it was sarcasm, sadly you'd be wrong.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Cowards? Hell no, especially in a battlefield.

And, especially when fighting an enemy that is the epitome of cowardice (IEDs, bombing their own people, murdering women and children, etc).

Furthermore, there are US soldiers who basically bait themselves to draw out the enemy,.. so, this coward comment has NO basis whatsoever.

Cowardice would have been nuking all of Iraq. Cowardice is NOT being within arms reach (or more like in range of a firearm) of Iraqis.

Say what you will about the Iraqi war itself,.. but, leave the people who have given their lives, by choice (!!), out of these coward comments.

 

[smackababy]

Cowards? Hell no, especially in a battlefield.

And, especially when fighting an enemy that is the epitome of cowardice (IEDs, bombing their own people, murdering women and children, etc).

Furthermore, there are US soldiers who basically bait themselves to draw out the enemy,.. so, this coward comment has NO basis whatsoever.

Cowardice would have been nuking all of Iraq. Cowardice is NOT being within arms reach (or more like in range of a firearm) of Iraqis.

Say what you will about the Iraqi war itself,.. but, leave the people who have given their lives, by choice (!!), out of these coward comments.

What gets me is just how stupid the general public is when it comes to soldiers. These guys who have gone over didn't choose to do that. They didn't start this war, or even agree with it, but they do their job because someone has to. I can get blaming the politicians and leadership that makes the decisions to do this, but don't blame the guy trying to go to college or make something of him self besides minimum wage worker. It was even worse with Vietnam. They didn't even sign up for the military, they were drafted...

 

[bshole]

Cowards? Hell no, especially in a battlefield.

And, especially when fighting an enemy that is the epitome of cowardice (IEDs, bombing their own people, murdering women and children, etc).

Um, think about it. They basically have nothing but rifles and rpgs. They are fighting an enemy with drones, apache gunships, the most advanced military technology that money can buy. To go into the battlefield equipped as a 3rd world military is many things..... COWARDLY is certainly not among them.

If IEDs is COWARDICE, what is dropping bombs from drones? Heroism? Jesus, try thinking a little.

 

[smackababy]

Um, think about it. They basically have nothing but rifles and rpgs. They are fighting an enemy with drones, apache gunships, the most advanced military technology that money can buy. To go into the battlefield equipped as a 3rd world military is many things..... COWARDLY is certainly not among them.

If IEDs is COWARDICE, what is dropping bombs from drones? Heroism? Jesus, try thinking a little.

It's not so much the military technology the use, but how they use it. Strapping women and children with bombs and hiding behind civilians is pretty cowardly. Hiding your weapons in schools and hospitals, making them legal targets in military LOAC, but then parading the dead children on TV after is fucking cowardice.

Don't get me wrong though, I understand their tactics and since it is literally their only way to even have a small chance of waging a war, I get why they are doing it. Doesn't change that it is fucking cowardice.

 

[JTsyo]

As much as his actual criticism of Snipers as a whole are BS, he's right about the actual American Sniper guy who they based this story on. The guy is a douchebag.



Anybody who's claim to fame is how many human lives they took is up there with ted bundy and suicide bombers in skillset. He should have far more regard for human life. He also generally describes the kills like they were fun. He's all about murdering vietnamese, and he feels that murdering those people makes him somebody special.


He is the same as the suicide bombers that Palestinians glorify, just an American version. They both kill large numbers of "kuffars" or "g**ks" or whatever denigrating name they call their enemies and that is their entire life's work.

Wait, this movie takes place in Iraq. Are you talking about someone else or meant Iraqis?

 

[moonbogg]

People blaming the government for our soldier's crimes don't have a clue. Is that what the world did to the Nazis ? They blamed Hitler and let the SS soldiers off the hook? Nope. The only reason American soldiers aren't tried and executed is because the US still wins its wars or remains untouchable after they are over.
If the US lost its power and the world had the power to do so, they would have tried US soldiers and leaders for war crimes and they'd all be dead or in prison right now.
Also, look at Israel. Are you kidding? They would be so seriously fucked if not for the US literally protecting them day and night. Blatant war crimes without apology.

 

[bshole]

Don't get me wrong though, I understand their tactics and since it is literally their only way to even have a small chance of waging a war, I get why they are doing it. Doesn't change that it is fucking cowardice.

If it is their only way of winning, it is not cowardly, it is pragmatic. Is it cowardly that America doesn't give its opponents a fighting chance? Is it cowardice that America drops bombs from airplanes when it's opponents don't have that option? Is it cowardice that America won't fight opponents on a equal footing? Good christ it is a incredible act of courage (or insanity) for any of these people to engage the American military.... an almost 100% guarantee of death.

 

[TreVader]

Um, think about it. They basically have nothing but rifles and rpgs. They are fighting an enemy with drones, apache gunships, the most advanced military technology that money can buy. To go into the battlefield equipped as a 3rd world military is many things..... COWARDLY is certainly not among them.

If IEDs is COWARDICE, what is dropping bombs from drones? Heroism? Jesus, try thinking a little.

It's not a logical argument. Their evidence that it is "cowardice" is that it is a practice our armed forces does not engage in.

Smackababy is just too stupid to understand that he is a puppet and is constantly manipulated by the media to feel this or that about him or her. He is, however, smart enough to realize that he would lose an argument about this, which is why he won't pick an argument with me or anybody else here with any reason.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Um, think about it. They basically have nothing but rifles and rpgs. They are fighting an enemy with drones, apache gunships, the most advanced military technology that money can buy. To go into the battlefield equipped as a 3rd world military is many things..... COWARDLY is certainly not among them.

If IEDs is COWARDICE, what is dropping bombs from drones? Heroism? Jesus, try thinking a little.

IEDs are booby traps.

Dropping bombs from drones aren't 100% on target (or even heroic, so calm down), but there is someone with a brain deciding what gets blown up.

There is a huge difference between the two.

Now, again, the war itself was wrong.

But, who was mostly shooting at US soldiers - the Iraqi army? People from within Iraq that did what they could to defend their country?? Initially, yes - it was Iraqis,.. and they folded pretty quickly.

Afterwards (where the casualty rates increased considerably); it was mostly insurgents - fighters from OTHER countries, who poured into Iraq to get them some American deaths under their belts.

The insurgents are indeed the epitome of cowardice. There was nothing brave or noble for entering a country they aren't even apart of, to fight for - they just wanted blood. And, their methods are pretty far from being heroic, since things like IEDs are pretty indiscriminate about what or who they blow up.

Also, threatening to kill and killing anyone who did not oppose American occupation? Cowardly as well. But, in your eyes, it is that they did what they could,.. So, I am not sure how an insurgent gets a pass for murdering a citizen of a neighboring country,.. just to kill an invader of a country the insurgent is not even from. This is savage behavior (edit: not the pass, but the actions of the insurgents).

 

[smackababy]

It's not a logical argument. Their evidence that it is "cowardice" is that it is a practice our armed forces does not engage in.

Smackababy is just too stupid to understand that he is a puppet and is constantly manipulated by the media to feel this or that about him or her. He is, however, smart enough to realize that he would lose an argument about this, which is why he won't pick an argument with me or anybody else here with any reason.

I won't pick an argument with you, because you're a moron. Literally, every single post I've read by you only reinforces my already astoundingly low opinion of you intelligence. I mean, there are quite a few members I disagree with on about everything, but I don't think them stupid, just misguided.


If you think using illegal targets (schools, hospitals, noncombatants) as "shielding" and make them legal targets just to parade on television and to your country about just how "evil" we are, you're a fucking coward.

 

[TreVader]

Cowards? Hell no, especially in a battlefield.



And, especially when fighting an enemy that is the epitome of cowardice (IEDs, bombing their own people, murdering women and children, etc).



Furthermore, there are US soldiers who basically bait themselves to draw out the enemy,.. so, this coward comment has NO basis whatsoever.



Cowardice would have been nuking all of Iraq. Cowardice is NOT being within arms reach (or more like in range of a firearm) of Iraqis.



Say what you will about the Iraqi war itself,.. but, leave the people who have given their lives, by choice (!!), out of these coward comments.

lol really?


Of course! It's Newell steamer, our resident liberal pork lover and authoritarian stroker!

You have no idea what you are talking about, as usual, so just shut up. Nobody wants to hear your rants on how we should all be bending over for our local constable every time he gets a hard on, or how fat chair force losers playing video games are killing thousands of civilians with drones and are somehow heros.

In fact, I'm guessing that's what you do for a living. How many toddlers did you kill today while munching your Donuts?



I guarantee you 99.99% of American soldiers do not have the balls to blow themselves up to save anybody, let alone to just attack a target.

 

[TreVader]

I won't pick an argument with you, because you're a moron. Literally, every single post I've read by you only reinforces my already astoundingly low opinion of you intelligence. I mean, there are quite a few members I disagree with on about everything, but I don't think them stupid, just misguided.





If you think using illegal targets (schools, hospitals, noncombatants) as "shielding" and make them legal targets just to parade on television and to your country about just how "evil" we are, you're a fucking coward.

Illegal? Tell that to the Palestinians who get their houses bulldozed, bombed, and shot up by Zionist death squads on a weekly basis you fuck!

Lol you are a coward, personally, as evidenced by it taking this long and this much prodding for you to even try to argue with me at all!

Of course cowards have sympathy for cowards like these drone pilots, but hate when somebody is willing to give their life for their country! It makes you look bad, huh?

Nobody would notice what a pussy you were otherwise.

 

[Newell Steamer]

lol really?


Of course! It's Newell steamer, our resident liberal pork lover and authoritarian stroker!

You have no idea what you are talking about, as usual, so just shut up. Nobody wants to hear your rants on how we should all be bending over for our local constable every time he gets a hard on, or how fat chair force losers playing video games are killing thousands of civilians with drones and are somehow heros.

In fact, I'm guessing that's what you do for a living. How many toddlers did you kill today while munching your Donuts?



I guarantee you 99.99% of American soldiers do not have the balls to blow themselves up to save anybody, let alone to just attack a target.

We've been through this dance already kid - it was boring, clumsy and felt like you were pushing a wet noodle against my thigh.

If there was viagra or horny goat weed for posts, you would be the prime candidate for it.

 

[bshole]

There was nothing brave or noble for entering a country they aren't even apart of, to fight for - they just wanted blood.

Isn't that EXACTLY what America did when they entered Iraq in the first place? We wanted our blood and we got our blood in fucking spades. Destroyed a functional country and destabilized an entire region in the world. America is responsible for more than a million deaths over there with no end in sight but that is a red badge of courage in your world I suppose.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Isn't that EXACTLY what America did when they entered Iraq in the first place? We wanted our blood and we got our blood in fucking spades. Destroyed a functional country and destabilized an entire region in the world. America is responsible for more than a million deaths over there with no end in sight but that is a red badge of courage in your world I suppose.

3rd time I am saying this: we had no right to go into Iraq.

So, I am not sure what or where you want this to go,.. but, have fun getting there, or getting it.

 

[Atreus21]

http://deadline.com/2015/01/michael-moore-american-sniper-oscars-clint-eastwood-selma-1201353007/

He sounds like a BF4 noob. "Snipers are cowards". But he's trashing U.S. snipers. That's bad, right? I think his Twitter might get bashed for this.
In principle, I agree with him that shooting people and invading is bad, but we live in a bad world where others will do bad to us unless we BAD them first.

https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/556988226486169600

LOLs he gets owned

Thank God we don't have guys like Michael Moore doing the dirty work. I much prefer him doing what he's doing.

 

[Brovane]

Um, think about it. They basically have nothing but rifles and rpgs. They are fighting an enemy with drones, apache gunships, the most advanced military technology that money can buy. To go into the battlefield equipped as a 3rd world military is many things..... COWARDLY is certainly not among them.

If IEDs is COWARDICE, what is dropping bombs from drones? Heroism? Jesus, try thinking a little.

 

[Brovane]

lol really?


Of course! It's Newell steamer, our resident liberal pork lover and authoritarian stroker!

You have no idea what you are talking about, as usual, so just shut up. Nobody wants to hear your rants on how we should all be bending over for our local constable every time he gets a hard on, or how fat chair force losers playing video games are killing thousands of civilians with drones and are somehow heros.

In fact, I'm guessing that's what you do for a living. How many toddlers did you kill today while munching your Donuts?


I guarantee you 99.99% of American soldiers do not have the balls to blow themselves up to save anybody, let alone to just attack a target.

 

[Subyman]

lol really?


Of course! It's Newell steamer, our resident liberal pork lover and authoritarian stroker!

You have no idea what you are talking about, as usual, so just shut up. Nobody wants to hear your rants on how we should all be bending over for our local constable every time he gets a hard on, or how fat chair force losers playing video games are killing thousands of civilians with drones and are somehow heros.

Actually, you are getting very tiring. You are the one ranting here.

I guarantee you 99.99% of American soldiers do not have the balls to blow themselves up to save anybody, let alone to just attack a target.

There is no point in our soldiers blowing themselves up. The terrorists are twisted by religious fanaticism to blow themselves up in the middle of a crowd. Terrorists do not do it because they are courageous. They do it because they have been worked into a religious fervor. No comparison can be made. Our soldiers act based upon hundreds of years of tactical knowledge and optimization. Suicide bombing does not have a place in modern military. Your comment is irrelevant to the modern US army.

Fighting smartly and being courageous are two completely separate things and they are not mutually exclusive.

 

[TreVader]

Actually, you are getting very tiring. You are the one ranting here.







There is no point in our soldiers blowing themselves up. The terrorists are twisted by religious fanaticism to blow themselves up in the middle of a crowd. Terrorists do not do it because they are courageous. They do it because they have been worked into a religious fervor. No comparison can be made. Our soldiers act based upon hundreds of years of tactical knowledge and optimization. Suicide bombing does not have a place in modern military. Your comment is irrelevant to the modern US army.



Fighting smartly and being courageous are two completely separate things and they are not mutually exclusive.

Courage is by definition uncommon. Every military has cowards and every military has heroes. It is only your and everyone else here's blind nationalism that makes you think that Americans have courage, while "Terrorists" (which is debatable considering some of these groups like Hezbollah are state actors) are cowards.


You are right, Americans don't need to blow themselves up to have courage, and frankly I see zero difference between the ethics of the U.S. Military (overall) and that of, for example, Hezbollah or Hamas. Both have nothing to do with personal courage on the battlefield because they both have courageous people and cowards among them.

Subyman, ignoring my other admittedly more inflammatory posts, why can't you see that every country has its freedom fighters and every country has its terrorists. Objectively ISIS is far
more brutal and terrible, but where does cowardice come in? Try to take a step back, as I am here in this post, and asses your argument.