Michael Bay ruins Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

[Q]

Interesting ATOT reviews, but glad to hear. I am a TMNT fan since I grew up with them, and was semi excited to see this, but then decided against it due to RT reviews. I think I will go now, as you all are saying it's decent.

 

[MongGrel]

Have fun

 

[Wreckem]

Sequel has been greenlit and fast tracked for Summer 2016. Bay will be returning at the helm as well.

 

[Jaskalas]

Summer 2016, so they begin shooting in first half of next year....quite a pace.

 

[SandEagle]

so my other thread got locked. my response from that is below. i plan to go watch it again.
not really a movie guy, but i watched this today and loved every minute of it. i was a fan of the 80s cartoon.

so im reading the online reviews and wtf? how is this 19% on RT? also every major reviewer is giving it low reviews. most don't go into tearing the film a new hole, they end up saying the same thing: basically its not too bad, but not too good either.

i wonder if someone in hollywood isnt happy with Michael bay or megan Fox? definitely watch the movie...i give it three thumbs up

 

[purbeast0]

so my other thread got locked. my response from that is below. i plan to go watch it again.
not really a movie guy, but i watched this today and loved every minute of it. i was a fan of the 80s cartoon.

so im reading the online reviews and wtf? how is this 19% on RT? also every major reviewer is giving it low reviews. most don't go into tearing the film a new hole, they end up saying the same thing: basically its not too bad, but not too good either.

i wonder if someone in hollywood isnt happy with Michael bay or megan Fox? definitely watch the movie...i give it three thumbs up

if you read the reviews, the majority of them are crying that the story changed from the original, that it's michael bay, and that it's megan fox. that is pretty much what most reviews are saying about it.

then i am reading user reviews of it, and the majority of them are positive, and again, the ones that are negative are just complaining about the story not being the same as the original and that megan fox is a bad actress, oh and that michael bay is involved (even though he didn't direct it, which i bet most people didn't know and are assuming he directed it).

i've also seen people talking about where is a snow covered mountain 1hr outside of NYC, which is a legit complaint, but i can let it slide since we're watching a movie about giant talking turtles and a rat who can fight.

 

[blurredvision]

When you look at movies in general, there are 3 types of movies general movie-goers find good. One, the movie is awesome during but generally unforgettable after the fact. Two, the movie is awesome during and has a very favorable view when looked back upon a couple of days later. Three, the movie is OK during but has a very favorable view when looked back upon a couple of days later.

Movies two and three are the ones that get good reviews, number one, not so much. Doesn't mean it's not still a great time to sit through.

As for the new TMNT movie, I went and watched it with a couple of friends yesterday afternoon. Overall, I enjoyed it.

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I could have done without the Transformers action angles and sound effects. I would've also liked to have had the action scenes filmed a bit father back, you couldn't tell WTF was going on at times. I think they did a decent job with bringing out the different personalities of the turtles, which is a big part of it, except for Leonardo. He's supposed to be the leader and I didn't really get any of that except when Raph made a comment here and there about doing what he wanted to know, not what he was told to.

Also, what was with the heavy-handed, atypical "bad guy spills his entire plan because he thinks he's won" bit? I cringed at that...come on Bay, there's better ways to handle that. Also, after the fight in the sewer, they just leave Raph and Splinter? I thought they had some important shit in their veins. Surely it's still good even if they just died. And then when Raph and Shredder fight, Shredder just leaves him there and doesn't kill him? Didn't make any sense other than it would've completely spoiled the rest of the movies and sequels if there were only 3 turtles instead of 4.

Even with that said, it was enjoyable. Dumb simple action movie about my childhood favorite cartoon. I can see exactly why reviewers are bombing it and this is exactly why I don't consider reviews when choosing which movies to watch.

 

[JEDI]

if you read the reviews, the majority of them are crying that the story changed from the original, that it's michael bay, and that it's megan fox. that is pretty much what most reviews are saying about it.

then i am reading user reviews of it, and the majority of them are positive, and again, the ones that are negative are just complaining about the story not being the same as the original and that megan fox is a bad actress, oh and that michael bay is involved (even though he didn't direct it, which i bet most people didn't know and are assuming he directed it).

i've also seen people talking about where is a snow covered mountain 1hr outside of NYC, which is a legit complaint, but i can let it slide since we're watching a movie about giant talking turtles and a rat who can fight.

so michael bay is banging megan fox again, huh?

so I expect her in the next Transformers movie too

 

[purbeast0]

When you look at movies in general, there are 3 types of movies general movie-goers find good. One, the movie is awesome during but generally unforgettable after the fact. Two, the movie is awesome during and has a very favorable view when looked back upon a couple of days later. Three, the movie is OK during but has a very favorable view when looked back upon a couple of days later.

Movies two and three are the ones that get good reviews, number one, not so much. Doesn't mean it's not still a great time to sit through.

As for the new TMNT movie, I went and watched it with a couple of friends yesterday afternoon. Overall, I enjoyed it.

Spoiler

I could have done without the Transformers action angles and sound effects. I would've also liked to have had the action scenes filmed a bit father back, you couldn't tell WTF was going on at times. I think they did a decent job with bringing out the different personalities of the turtles, which is a big part of it, except for Leonardo. He's supposed to be the leader and I didn't really get any of that except when Raph made a comment here and there about doing what he wanted to know, not what he was told to.

Also, what was with the heavy-handed, atypical "bad guy spills his entire plan because he thinks he's won" bit? I cringed at that...come on Bay, there's better ways to handle that. Also, after the fight in the sewer, they just leave Raph and Splinter? I thought they had some important shit in their veins. Surely it's still good even if they just died. And then when Raph and Shredder fight, Shredder just leaves him there and doesn't kill him? Didn't make any sense other than it would've completely spoiled the rest of the movies and sequels if there were only 3 turtles instead of 4.

Even with that said, it was enjoyable. Dumb simple action movie about my childhood favorite cartoon. I can see exactly why reviewers are bombing it and this is exactly why I don't consider reviews when choosing which movies to watch.

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for the 2nd spoiler thing, they thought raph died in the explosion with the sewer collapsing on him so they couldn't use his blood. they said they needed them alive, and since he was dead, he was useless to them. i think it was the same with splinter that shredder assumed he was going to die because he was beaten so badly.

for the 1st point you make, i personally didn't have any trouble with the fight scenes, and thought they were awesome. the cgi in general was incredible in this movie. also, the movie wasn't directed by michael bay so he didn't setup those fight scenes or anything. but i definitely did hear some transformer sound effects, which if i recall, was all just with shredder and his knives.

 

[Fenixgoon]

there were a few parts that i thought were overkill (michaelangelo/april), but overall, it was a FUN movie.

no, this will never be the next godfather.

 

[blurredvision]

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for the 2nd spoiler thing, they thought raph died in the explosion with the sewer collapsing on him so they couldn't use his blood. they said they needed them alive, and since he was dead, he was useless to them. i think it was the same with splinter that shredder assumed he was going to die because he was beaten so badly.

for the 1st point you make, i personally didn't have any trouble with the fight scenes, and thought they were awesome. the cgi in general was incredible in this movie. also, the movie wasn't directed by michael bay so he didn't setup those fight scenes or anything. but i definitely did hear some transformer sound effects, which if i recall, was all just with shredder and his knives.

I actually didn't even know it wasn't directed by Michael Bay.

 

[It's Not Lupus]

I didn't realize the turtles were taking roids, HGH, GF1, and test.

 

[Tweak155]

Just saw this last night...

Was mostly disappointed until about half way into the movie when the turtles were finally involved a lot more. I went in expecting to really not like it since I was a fan of the 80's/90's versions, but overall I have to say it was pretty good. I didn't like all the changes at first but then I got used to it. The biggest problems I had were the voices and how

Spoiler

Splinter was beating the crap out of the turtles to be a bastard about it. I mean, he beat them up in the originals but he was way more light hearted about it, not a mean SOB being super bossy. At the end it seemed like his attitude changed so I let it slide.

Anyway, overall I really thought they did a good job. Sorry if that offends people who rely on other people's reviews for their opinion. Overall a 7/10.

 

[purbeast0]

I actually didn't even know it wasn't directed by Michael Bay.

yeah neither do 99% (yes i made that number up) of the people ripping on the movie because they think michael bay directed it just like he did transformers.

 

[motsm]

yeah neither do 99% (yes i made that number up) of the people ripping on the movie because they think michael bay directed it just like he did transformers.

Knowing Jonathan Liebesman directed it isn't going to elevate the movies perception. Also, for the record, it seems those who like and dislike it are equally misinformed about who directed it.

 

[crownjules]

Saw it Saturday night. It's watchable and not bad if you like TMNT but it doesn't surpass the original movie from the 90s (but not the sequels). The change in the origin story is pretty bad.

Spoiler

Removing the entire Splinter/Shredder rivalry cuts out the soul and thus most of the tension of their conflict. The Shredder just became some masked nobody who we don't really care about at all.

 

[smackababy]

Saw it Saturday night. It's watchable and not bad if you like TMNT but it doesn't surpass the original movie from the 90s (but not the sequels). The change in the origin story is pretty bad.

Spoiler

Removing the entire Splinter/Shredder rivalry cuts out the soul and thus most of the tension of their conflict. The Shredder just became some masked nobody who we don't really care about at all.

Spoiler

I'm sorry, but the original story about Splinter and Shredder was just plain stupid. And, I am a huge fan of the early TMNT. The movie explaining he was the pet rat of his master, who was killed by Oroku Saki is just moronic. It serves as nothing really added other than "we don't need to actually develop this character as a bad buy or give the team a reason to fight him because he killed their master's owner and he knows he is a bad guy!" Granted, I haven't see this yet (going on tomorrow night), but leaving that part out and actually giving the audience, and the turtles, a real reason to fight Shredder can't be a bad thing.

 

[crownjules]

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I'm sorry, but the original story about Splinter and Shredder was just plain stupid. And, I am a huge fan of the early TMNT. The movie explaining he was the pet rat of his master, who was killed by Oroku Saki is just moronic. It serves as nothing really added other than "we don't need to actually develop this character as a bad buy or give the team a reason to fight him because he killed their master's owner and he knows he is a bad guy!" Granted, I haven't see this yet (going on tomorrow night), but leaving that part out and actually giving the audience, and the turtles, a real reason to fight Shredder can't be a bad thing.

Spoiler

It is terrible and cuts out the character of The Shredder completely. He turns from someone who has a fued with Splinter and the Turtles into a generic villian who just wants to take over NYC and the Turtles/Splinter happen to have something he needs to do it. While the human holding a fued with the rat who scarred his face is stupid, it's a comic about mutated turtles who train into ninjas. My suspension of disbelief is already pretty high.

 

[Tweak155]

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It is terrible and cuts out the character of The Shredder completely. He turns from someone who has a fued with Splinter and the Turtles into a generic villian who just wants to take over NYC and the Turtles/Splinter happen to have something he needs to do it. While the human holding a fued with the rat who scarred his face is stupid, it's a comic about mutated turtles who train into ninjas. My suspension of disbelief is already pretty high.

Spoiler

You're maybe ignoring the fact that it was because of the Shredder that their lab was burned down and April's dad was killed. Sure, it was April's dad who did the burning but he felt like he was forced into it from the CEO dude who of course was in cahoots with Shredder.

I liked the previous story better though. The fact that Splinter had all of his skills (and were subsequently passed down to our ninjas) because of his enemy was definitely a better story point.

 

[purbeast0]

Spoiler

It is terrible and cuts out the character of The Shredder completely. He turns from someone who has a fued with Splinter and the Turtles into a generic villian who just wants to take over NYC and the Turtles/Splinter happen to have something he needs to do it. While the human holding a fued with the rat who scarred his face is stupid, it's a comic about mutated turtles who train into ninjas. My suspension of disbelief is already pretty high.

in the original flick, shredder had no clue who splinter even was until the very last scene on the rooftop. it isn't like shredder was fueled by splinter cutting his face the entire movie. he only realized that it was splinter who did that right before his rage move that ends up killing him on the rooftop.

 

[smackababy]

in the original flick, shredder had no clue who splinter even was until the very last scene on the rooftop. it isn't like shredder was fueled by splinter cutting his face the entire movie. he only realized that it was splinter who did that right before his rage move that ends up killing him on the rooftop.

Shredder only knew he had seen that style of fighting before, and it was from his old rival. Once he saw a giant rat doing karate, he made the connection.


The real question is: does this movie contain Casey Jones? And if so, is it played by Elias Koteas?

 

[purbeast0]

Shredder only knew he had seen that style of fighting before, and it was from his old rival. Once he saw a giant rat doing karate, he made the connection.


The real question is: does this movie contain Casey Jones? And if so, is it played by Elias Koteas?

no casey jones in this. but splinter is fucking awesome in this movie.

 

[smackababy]

Yeah, after I posted that I looked it up and it was confirmed Casey Jones will be in the sequel. He is one of my favorite characters in any comic. Plus, Elias Koteas' portrayal in the live action films was amazing.

 

[Aikouka]

no casey jones in this. but splinter is fucking awesome in this movie.

The difference between old Splinter and new Splinter is actually a lot like the difference between Yoda in the old Star Wars movies and the new ones. Old Splinter didn't do much more than flip Shredder with the nun-chucks and have some wise words, but the new one was flippin' around with some crazy Kung Fu. Give him a light saber, and I wouldn't have known the difference!

Speaking of Splinter, I kind of wish they would've gone with a better voice actor for him too. Adrian Monk from the TV show Monk (Tony Shaloub) doesn't really give off that "sage vibe" to me.

 

[zinfamous]

yeah neither do 99% (yes i made that number up) of the people ripping on the movie because they think michael bay directed it just like he did transformers.

Finally! I can honestly claim to be a true 1%er! :awe: