waggy
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Pete Rose went to prison for what he did. Plus he agreed NOT to be admitted to the HOF, and put it in a legally binding contract. http://baseball1.com/bb-data/rose/agreement.html
Convicted felon (tax evasion related to his gambling) = worse than a never caught/self admitted past steroid user...
BTW: McGuire never lied about steroids - he refused to answer questions regarding steroids - huge difference. Ask Barry Bonds
He's only talking now b/c he is going to the be the hitting coach for the Cards. I'm sure the manager and owners don't want him answering steroid questions every single week during the season. So he's tossing this out now, getting it out of the way so he can become the coach and hope it disappears.
He's a dirty cheater! I don't care how sorry these guys are now or how they are "victims of the ERA", they are all a bunch of filthy cheaters.
He's a dirty cheater! I don't care how sorry these guys are now or how they are "victims of the ERA", they are all a bunch of filthy cheaters.
I don't recall him telling lies to Congress. Did he ever lie? I just recall him avoiding the truth.
Charlie Hustle should at least be eligible to be voted in the Hall of Fame. Let the voters decide if he is worthy.
He never lied to congress under oath, which is why he can admit it now and not perjure himself. But he lied to fans and media when asked about it. When Canseco basically called him out in his book, Mark always said "I never <used steroids or an illegal substances> and I have always told the truth".
Dawson getting into the HoF is a so-so thing to me. I see him as a good player who happened to play a long time. He did not stand out as a HoFer to me, but congrats to him for making it on his 9th try (I think it was 9th). How is he a HoFer after his 9th year of eligibilty but not the previous 8 years?
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Gamingphreek
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Say what you want - McGwire is a classy guy who made a mistake.
McGwire was my childhood hero (After he retired Albert Pujols took his place in my mind) and everything he did personifies class. After hitting the 62nd homerun he didn't take that moment of glory, he gave it back to the Maris's.
In his interview today, he tearfully said he called the Maris's and apologized for everything. He called his father, his sons, his old manager - perhaps the imminent job as a hitting coach forced this on him, but sooner or later he was going to come forward an tell.
If there was one thing I wish he would admit to, while it was physically possible to hit 70 homeruns and while he could have hit 70 homeruns, without steroids it was HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely. He needs to acknowledge that, while he believes he is able to do these feats, he did not give himself the opportunity to do so without steroids.
I tell you guys what, it hurts seeing your childhood sports hero reduced to tears...
McGwire was my childhood hero (After he retired Albert Pujols took his place in my mind) and everything he did personifies class. After hitting the 62nd homerun he didn't take that moment of glory, he gave it back to the Maris's.
In his interview today, he tearfully said he called the Maris's and apologized for everything. He called his father, his sons, his old manager - perhaps the imminent job as a hitting coach forced this on him, but sooner or later he was going to come forward an tell.
If there was one thing I wish he would admit to, while it was physically possible to hit 70 homeruns and while he could have hit 70 homeruns, without steroids it was HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely. He needs to acknowledge that, while he believes he is able to do these feats, he did not give himself the opportunity to do so without steroids.
I tell you guys what, it hurts seeing your childhood sports hero reduced to tears...
Anabolic androgenic steroids are legal with a prescription. Just not legal for use in MLB.
Pete Rose bet on games he managed.
At least I know that steroid users are trying to gain competitive advantage and win. What can you say about a gambler. When you're not sure if people involved in the game are trying to win, the event ceases to be a sporting contest. It's a joke, worse than a WWE exhibition.
Rose gets bonus points in my book for denying it for 15, 17 years, whatever it was, then finally half-admitting it to promote *a book*, and I will always believe the position that he put Bart Giamatti in had a hand in his death.
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geno
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Some guy on the radio was giving him all sorts of credit for telling the truth and "never lying". "Oh, he came out and told the truth before he got caught, that gets my respect". He went on to talk about how shameful it was for A-Rod to get caught and then admit it. I couldn't believe it. He was even someone in the position to vote a player into the HOF.
Oh yeah, he's such a good guy he enabled the coverup by not assisting congress (that's his choice and he's not outright wrong for it, but he could have helped limit the cheating that exists today). The real stand up thing to do would be admit it sooner and end the farce that was his home run record.
Oh yeah, he's such a good guy he enabled the coverup by not assisting congress (that's his choice and he's not outright wrong for it, but he could have helped limit the cheating that exists today). The real stand up thing to do would be admit it sooner and end the farce that was his home run record.
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Did you listen to Costas interview him? McGwire was literally caught between a rock and hard place at Congress. He repeatedly said that he wanted more than anything to tell everyone.
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Who cares what he did as a manager. His playing years were amazing and for that he should at least be considered for the Hall of Fame.
surfsatwerk
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Your morality is akin to a sewer if you think gambling is worse than cheating by using steroids.
surfsatwerk
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What relevance does this have to anything. Back then steroids came from doctors and were legal.
rudder
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I have been to a few Predators hockey games. Thanks to some sweet free tickets I also got to go to the after game interviews and meet the players. They are not really bulky...more of the lean muscular type. I think lung capacity does more for them then being able to crush an opponents skull with their bare hands. Maybe the need for a steroided up hockey player does not exist.
Red Dawn
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Your morality is akin to a sewer if you think getting Steroids from a Doctor meant that using them wasn't cheating.
BTW I doubt Lyle Alzaido got his from a Doctor.
surfsatwerk
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Lyle was using roids decades before the league started testing. You're trying to compare the culture of steroids use and sports in the 60's and 70's to that of the 90's.
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