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McGwire admits using steroids

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Agreed. The steroid era has totally screwed up what stats are considered excellent.

As opposed to the stats that were composed when baseball was white only? Or when pitching talent was diluted by expansion? Or when half the league added a DH?

This argument is such a joke. Stats are stats and they are never perfect.
 
Agreed. The steroid era has totally screwed up what stats are considered excellent.
True but it did save the game. Prior to the Steroid Era interest in the game was waning, especially after the strike year that canceled the World Series. Selig knew what was going on, he just looked the other way because all these records falling was helping bring baseball to it's former glory.
 
True but it did save the game. Prior to the Steroid Era interest in the game was waning, especially after the strike year that canceled the World Series. Selig knew what was going on, he just looked the other way because all these records falling was helping bring baseball to it's former glory.

This is another reason I have sympathy for the McGuires, Sosas, Rodriguezes, and Bondses. Selig and others knew exactly what was going on, but they exploited it and then reacted to the scandal with mock shock.
 
All of those grandstanding congressman smeared a great American hero. I feel bad for all the little kids that looked up to McGwire. This is one of the guys that saved baseball and his reward is to be smeared as a cheater. More pitchers have been caught using 'roids than hitters. And Hank Aaron and Willie Mays used amphetamines as did Pete Rose.
What a show he and Canseco used to put on at the Coliseum in Oakland.
 
STL REPRESENT GONNA DRIVE DOWN MARK MCGWIRE HIGHWAY TONIGHT. I don't care if he used roids. Regardless, he's a nice dude and is otherwise a stand up guy.
 
lol, that made me think of the beginning of "Slapshot"

Which reminds me, why has there never been a hockey steroids scandal? I mean, these guys play a physically punishing sport that rewards the stronger athlete, and staying healthy is a real issue for an 82 game regular season. Are they tested? I know the Olymipians are taking doping tests, but what about the non-olympic guys, or the non olympic years?

Pre lockout NHL I would think it would be more prevalent, but in the new NHL the game changed and moved away from size and is more reliant on speed and skill, and yes they do testing and I know a few players got caught.
 
fobot: yea i figured as much. either address it now or have it become a three-ring circus when he shows up to give instruction at spring training. as stubborn as he was at the congressional hearing years ago; i had a feeling sooner or later he was going to crack. now bonds on the other hand? good luck with that one.
Yeah, this *probably* saves him from having to do a nationally televised mea culpa press conference, a la Andy Pettite, in front of several hundred press members.

It'll still be a three ring circus for that first day/week though, until they get bored of getting the same answers over and over. McGwire has been in total seclusion for nearly 10 years, he's gonna be hounded.
 
it's easy to say we don't want these guys in the hall but when you're the best in the era of steroids you deserve to be in the hall. Granted it might be a shittily lit corner room that leaks decorated with a sign that speaks for itself 'steroid era'...
The last 3-4 years have hopefully enlightened a lot of people about how widespread steroids became in baseball. The playing field was a lot more level than people initially thought, because so many players were using. And as Blackjack200 says, the commissioner and owners were complicit in the whole mess, and have now effectively thrown the best players from that era under the bus -- when it was their policies, or complete lack thereof, that allowed it to snowball.

Some of them should go in the HOF. If fans need a crimson "S" emblazoned on these guys' plaques, go ahead. Real baseball fans, even 50, 100 years from now, will know what the deal was with the 1990's.
 
Am I the only one who thinks steroids makes sports more interesting. Shit, I'd feed them roids in cereal bowls if I ran sports.
 
Ban all admitted steroid users from the HOF, but for the love god let Pete Rose in already.

And there it is, the obligatory "Pete Rose" post in a baseball steroids thread.

What Pete Rose did is *FAR WORSE* than what any steroid user will ever do to the integrity of baseball.
 
Possibly the BBHOF
I think he's given up on the HOF. I suspect he wanted to get back into baseball sooner than this, but decided to wait, see if he could hide out and let it blow over and maybe get HOF first, and continue to deny deny deny, like most everyone else is still doing.

Obviously none of that happened, and he's at the "screw it, I just wanna get back into baseball" stage of his life. He knew that accepting this coaching job would mean facing the media and coming clean.
 
And there it is, the obligatory "Pete Rose" post in a baseball steroids thread.

What Pete Rose did is *FAR WORSE* than what any steroid user will ever do to the integrity of baseball.

yeah betting on shit OUTSIDE of the game is worse then CHEATING IN GAME right?
 
People who are guilty of taking steroids should automatically be disqualified from HOF consideration



Like it are not, Big Mac and Sammy Sosa saved pro baseball with their home run race in '98. Give credit where credit is due...

Charlie Sheen: "Baseball was better on steroids" - LOL.
 
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