McDonalds answer to $15/hr min wages

[Zorkorist]

Government has fucked everyone to death, and they are looking for more victims.

-John

 

[MajinCry]

Government has fucked everyone to death, and they are looking for more victims.

-John

Ten bucks says it's gonna be the usual statement-rejection-restatement pizzle you spew, but I'll bite.


It's not the Government that's paying wages below a livable standard. You're thinking of corporations.

 

[elitejp]

Govt has made promises that they can't reasonably keep.
You can't promise that everyone's life will be equal in living standards.

I know this. If I lost everything and had to start over with a mountain of debt I would still be able to overcome it. And if that means 3 jobs and living with 10 other people while supporting my children then so be it.

Take a look at poor people who won the lottery. How long does that last them. Its more than common that they will return to the slum of their life they had before winning the lottery once they waste all their winnings away. So giving more money isn't always the answer.

The bank system thrives off of peoples laziness and stupidity (not ignorance but stupidity)
I was listening to a guy who owns five banks and he was talking about investing. He said in his bank there is a small fee (I don't remember the amount) for covering an overdrawn balance. He gave an example of people going out to eat and paying with their bank card and not even looking at what the meal cost. Anyways due to overbalance charges he said that they can pay 85% of the employees salary just through that one fee. He called it pure laziness.

 

[elitejp]

Yep nothing but poor choices and laziness:

"Midway through the last game of the 2013 Carolina League season, after he’d swept peanut shells and mopped soda off the concourse, Ed Green lumbered upstairs to the box seats to dump the garbage. Green was already 12 hours into his workday. He rose at dawn to lay tar on the highway. As the sun sank, he switched uniforms and drove to BB&T Ballpark, where he runs the custodial crew for a minor-league baseball team."

...

"Green once held a middle-class job. Now, to make enough money to send his children to college, he works the equivalent of two full-time jobs: one maintaining highways for the state of North Carolina and one ushering fans and collecting trash for a variety of sports teams around Winston-Salem.

The American economy has stopped delivering the broadly shared prosperity that the nation grew accustomed to after World War II. The explanation for why that is begins with the millions of middle-class jobs that vanished over the past 25 years, and with what happened to the men and women who once held those jobs.


Millions of Americans are working harder than ever just to keep from falling behind; Green is one of them. Those workers have been devalued in the eyes of the economy, pushed into jobs that pay them much less than the ones they once had.

Hopefully your not saying minimum wage should cover the cost of sending multiple children to college.

My family was very poor growing up.
Guess how I went to college. I studied hard in high school did extra curricular activities and when I chose the college i wanted to go to I got a job and worked 7 days a week normally between 30-50hrs depending on my time availability as a full time student.
This guy needs to tell his children to get a job.

 

[elitejp]

And it ain't always due to poor choice that people are burdened with kids. Good example would be women who became pregnant through rape. Or what if the kid's parents died, and you were the one in line ta take

I agree with you. As a society I am totally for helping that girl who got raped,not once,not twice, but multiple times and decided to keep all those children that were conceived in rape. To that person I say America owes you a house, a car and we will put your children through school. You deserve our help.

 

[alcoholbob]

Ten bucks says it's gonna be the usual statement-rejection-restatement pizzle you spew, but I'll bite.


It's not the Government that's paying wages below a livable standard. You're thinking of corporations.

And the wages government pays would be worth less than the continental dollar without the productivity of the private sector that's taxed, both directly and indirectly through tax revenue and money printing to finance that government spending.

Your argument is the New York mafia is more commendable than the shopowners in Brooklyn because nobody in the Mafia gets paid badly, while the shop owners are terrible scrooges because they they pay their clerks minimum wage after getting cleaned out each week by the mafia.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Hopefully your not saying minimum wage should cover the cost of sending multiple children to college.

My family was very poor growing up.
Guess how I went to college. I studied hard in high school did extra curricular activities and when I chose the college i wanted to go to I got a job and worked 7 days a week normally between 30-50hrs depending on my time availability as a full time student.
This guy needs to tell his children to get a job.

Aren't you the special snowflake.

 

[sandorski]

Govt has made promises that they can't reasonably keep.
You can't promise that everyone's life will be equal in living standards.

I know this. If I lost everything and had to start over with a mountain of debt I would still be able to overcome it. And if that means 3 jobs and living with 10 other people while supporting my children then so be it.

Take a look at poor people who won the lottery. How long does that last them. Its more than common that they will return to the slum of their life they had before winning the lottery once they waste all their winnings away. So giving more money isn't always the answer.

The bank system thrives off of peoples laziness and stupidity (not ignorance but stupidity)
I was listening to a guy who owns five banks and he was talking about investing. He said in his bank there is a small fee (I don't remember the amount) for covering an overdrawn balance. He gave an example of people going out to eat and paying with their bank card and not even looking at what the meal cost. Anyways due to overbalance charges he said that they can pay 85% of the employees salary just through that one fee. He called it pure laziness.

Bolded: How?

Have you considered that perhaps many, possibly even most, Overdraft their accounts because they barely have enough Income to survive in the first place?

 

[elitejp]

yes i am. and i aint poor anymore either()

 

[Zorkorist]

I went to College in the evening, after work. My Dad came and picked me up so I didn't have to take the bus back home at 10PM.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Bolded: How?

Have you considered that perhaps many, possibly even most, Overdraft their accounts because they barely have enough Income to survive in the first place?

Have you considered they don't work, or care to work?

-John

 

[elitejp]

Bolded: How?

Have you considered that perhaps many, possibly even most, Overdraft their accounts because they barely have enough Income to survive in the first place?

Because thats what i did in the past to get to where i am now. And if it happened again then I would do the same thing again.

Most people are living beyond their means and dont want to change their lifestyle.
Who do you know that doesnt have enough to survive

 

[sandorski]

Because thats what i did in the past to get to where i am now. And if it happened again then I would do the same thing again.

Most people are living beyond their means and dont want to change their lifestyle.
Who do you know that doesnt have enough to survive

What did you do that differed from others?

I suspect you are leaving out some details here. Details about things that just are not available to all. Could be Contacts from Family or other fortunate circumstance.

 

[Zorkorist]

Why would he leave anything out, and why would you question his ass?

Government Pig?

-John

 

[MajinCry]

Shit dude, if he actually has the answer to becoming rich, when starting out with absolutely nothing (no education, no money, no experience, no family members to mooch off of, etc.), tell every god damn morsel of detail. Every damn turn he made, every damn minute of his schedule.

Because it sure as hell ain't obvious to the lads living in poverty and squalor.

 

[Zorkorist]

lol, you think it is that hard?

Impossible?

The American Dream?

-John

 

[OverVolt]

This is not a surprise, this is a Milton Friedman thing. Raising the minimum wage increases low wage unemployment.

Some people just have to learn the hard way cause they can't read history books good. Brawndo, what plants need.

I saw this in school: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca8Z__o52sk

The internet has flooded the world with so much misinformation people can't tell how the world really works.

 

[OverVolt]

Shit dude, if he actually has the answer to becoming rich, when starting out with absolutely nothing (no education, no money, no experience, no family members to mooch off of, etc.), tell every god damn morsel of detail. Every damn turn he made, every damn minute of his schedule.

Because it sure as hell ain't obvious to the lads living in poverty and squalor.

Hard work and frugality of course.

And the factor nobody can quantify, pure luck.

 

[Zorkorist]

Hard work and perseverance absolutely equal success.

It is that easy.

-John

 

[Vic]

Raising (or not raising) the minimum wage has nothing to do with advancing automation. Seriously, nothing. Robots didn't replace welders on the automotive assembly lines because they work for less, but because they work 24/7/365 and make a perfect weld each and every time. And that's just the beginning. AI is coming and it's going to be a big gamechanger for humanity.

 

[OverVolt]

Raising (or not raising) the minimum wage has nothing to do with advancing automation. Seriously, nothing. Robots didn't replace welders on the automotive assembly lines because they work for less, but because they work 24/7/365 and make a perfect weld each and every time. And that's just the beginning. AI is coming and it's going to be a big gamechanger for humanity.

Automation fails where consumer tastes change. You can fancy up a car frame between model years but you can't reprogram a burger machine to make burrito bowls.

I see this in pharmacy automation. The thing that people forget that came BEFORE automation is interchangeable parts. Manufacturers change the pill size/shape/color arbitrarily between lots and presto the machine malfunctions.

Guess what has large variations? Food. You can spit out Crabby Patties but what about when people lose taste for them? Then you are constantly retooling the manufacturing and the automation - not cheap. Food loses taste, flavor and nutrition when it is processed for consistency. Think, chicken patties. And thus no matter the automation the product is not even equivalent. Preparing a meal from foods that have natural variations you're going to need a 'cook'.

 

[CitizenKain]

if they've already fucked up, guess they gotta pay the price in the form of 4 minimum wage jobs and 3 roommates in order to pay for the 3 kids they couldn't afford in the first place.

once again, poor decision making on their part.

re: roommates, there are many SFH's out there that supporting multiple families. Ref: many immigrant communities

Guess you are too stupid to understand. Probably an issue with how you were raised, garbage in, garbage out.

 

[thesmokingman]

Personally, whenever I order food and there's something not quite right with it, I like the idea that I can wrap my hands around the neck of the person responsible for the tragedy. It's also why I've found that most counter tops between customer and shop personnel are so wide.

I find that it's the humans that are the problem, always messing crap up.

 

[elitejp]

Shit dude, if he actually has the answer to becoming rich, when starting out with absolutely nothing (no education, no money, no experience, no family members to mooch off of, etc.), tell every god damn morsel of detail. Every damn turn he made, every damn minute of his schedule.

Because it sure as hell ain't obvious to the lads living in poverty and squalor.

Im fluent in chinese and have people ask me all the time how to learn a language. You know the people who have been trying to learn a second language for a decade and are looking for that secret to becoming fluent.
The problem is that they dont like the answer to how to learn a language. Its called memorization. Its called turning of the tv, internet, phone and locking yourself in your room studying. Its called reviewing reviewing reviewing. Its called not hanging out with friends because you want to finish this language asap. Its called going stir crazy cause you want to go outside and enjoy life but dont because you havent finished memorizing and understanding the new words, grammar and pronunciation.

Thats the difference and then like OverVolt mentioned you wait for the opportunity. Success is being prepared when the opportunity presents
itself.

I actually didnt finish college. I studied what I needed to know and then got out in the workforce. I say this because here i am one day doing some home renovation (my secondary part time job) for this couple that worked for the cia. They found out that I spent time in china and am fluent in chinese. They told me that I could get a job in the cia no problem whatsoever. I figured no way. I dont have a college degree I dont know anybody in the cia. Im just not qualified. Their reply to me was that the cia at that time was severely lacking in manadarin chinese and arabic speakers. They said the cia would pay for training, pay for college pay for whatever you need, because the hard part wasnt getting a college education but was learning the language. And the cia would rather hire someone who was fluent and didnt have a degree than someone who had a degree but didnt know the language.

 

[Zorkorist]

Way to go elitejp!

-John