McCain Suspends his Campaign

Page 4 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

bctbct

Diamond Member
Dec 22, 2005
4,868
1
0
Breaking news

"Palin will cancel all meetings with Foreign Heads of State to replace McCain in Friday Debate"



Okay, not really, but we could always dream :)
 

AllWhacked

Senior member
Nov 1, 2006
236
0
0
Personally, the way I see it I don't think this does anything to hurt McCain. At the worst, Obama and Biden goto Washington and it will look like McCain did something bi-partisan whereas Obama and Biden didn't. If Obama still pushes for the debate and doesn't show up to vote, then this plays into McCains "country first" theme--whether Mccain shows up to the debate or not.

As for whether the vote for Obama is needed or not, I find it disconcerting that the possible next president would not bother to show up for what may be the biggest vote of their careers. This bailout is probably more pivotal than the Iraq War vote for the future of this country.

Anyway, if McCain can show some leadership and perhaps change provisions to the bill that make it more palatable (like his request to cap CEOs pay, more oversight, etc) and the bill passes, then he can make the argument that he was there to lookup for America's interest.

Right now from polls, Americans are about evenly split between supporting and not supporting. For the most part, those who support are only doing so grudgingly. Bush is suppose to give a speech tonight that will basically scare the nation into accepting this bill, so expect support for the bailout to rise. Also for those who still say nay, even Buffet says we need this.

Anyway, for those who think this helps Obama more than McCain, I don't really see how. At the worst, it does nothing for McCain and at the most it shows McCain doing something presidential like--making Obama look like a hollow suit rather than a leader.

Personally, I don't like the idea of the future president leaving the decision making to the likes of Reid and Pelosi and not taking a hands-on approach.
 

PELarson

Platinum Member
Mar 27, 2001
2,289
0
0
Originally posted by: loki8481
has McCain come out for or against the bail out?

Depends on what time it is! I believe every odd hour of the day is No Bail Out hour.

 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
12,257
9,078
136
Originally posted by: AllWhacked
Personally, the way I see it I don't think this does anything to hurt McCain. At the worst, Obama and Biden goto Washington and it will look like McCain did something bi-partisan whereas Obama and Biden didn't. If Obama still pushes for the debate and doesn't show up to vote, then this plays into McCains "country first" theme--whether Mccain shows up to the debate or not.

As for whether the vote for Obama is needed or not, I find it disconcerting that the possible next president would not bother to show up for what may be the biggest vote of their careers. This bailout is probably more pivotal than the Iraq War vote for the future of this country.

Anyway, if McCain can show some leadership and perhaps change provisions to the bill that make it more palatable (like his request to cap CEOs pay, more oversight, etc) and the bill passes, then he can make the argument that he was there to lookup for America's interest.

Right now from polls, Americans are about evenly split between supporting and not supporting. For the most part, those who support are only doing so grudgingly. Bush is suppose to give a speech tonight that will basically scare the nation into accepting this bill, so expect support for the bailout to rise. Also for those who still say nay, even Buffet says we need this.

Anyway, for those who think this helps Obama more than McCain, I don't really see how. At the worst, it does nothing for McCain and at the most it shows McCain doing something presidential like--making Obama look like a hollow suit rather than a leader.

Personally, I don't like the idea of the future president leaving the decision making to the likes of Reid and Pelosi and not taking a hands-on approach.

I'm not sure where you're getting this one from ...
 

SagaLore

Elite Member
Dec 18, 2001
24,036
21
81
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Er, I thought he didn't understand the economy? How much help will he be? ;)

Thats what I was going to post...

However, at least he admits economics is not his strength, and suggests to build a team of experienced people who can come up with a real plan. Which makes this decision to stop and help even more confusing to me.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
32,539
260
126
And meanwhile the suit gives a speech about this being a time for bipartisanship and not politics like usual, and plans on continuing campaign and the debate. I know which one my wallet cares more about.
 

Fern

Elite Member
Sep 30, 2003
26,907
173
106
Originally posted by: eskimospy
McCain really needs to work on his pandering. This is so obviously and pathetically a campaign tactic that I feel like it will do him more harm than good.

Possible political theatre/pandering aside, I think they all need to get together to work on this problem.

Let's face it, they're all a bunch of damn lawyers, they don't what the h3ll is going on, but they do need to go listen to financial experts, ask questions and come up with some kind of response/solution.

Fern
 

quest55720

Golden Member
Nov 3, 2004
1,339
0
0
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Er, I thought he didn't understand the economy? How much help will he be? ;)

Thats what I was going to post...

However, at least he admits economics is not his strength, and suggests to build a team of experienced people who can come up with a real plan. Which makes this decision to stop and help even more confusing to me.


Makes perfect sense to me McCain's biggest strength is to bring both sides together to get shit done. McCain will be the one to bridge the gap between both parties to get a compromise done both sides can live with. This is the the john mccain who has been MIA since 2000 I am glad he is back. This is the type of leadership we need in washington not those who hide behind thier party.

Obama needs to be there I don't care if he suspends his campaign or not. He needs to be right in the thick of things Obama and McCain need to be co-sponsors of the bill IMO. That way both are on the hook for the bill and it will only be that much better in the end.
 

Jack Flash

Golden Member
Sep 10, 2006
1,947
0
76
Originally posted by: lupi
And meanwhile the suit gives a speech about this being a time for bipartisanship and not politics like usual, and plans on continuing campaign and the debate. I know which one my wallet cares more about.

Yeah, it's like he takes the electoral process seriously... like this shit matters! Pfff...

What a dumbass!
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,586
50,771
136
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: eskimospy
McCain really needs to work on his pandering. This is so obviously and pathetically a campaign tactic that I feel like it will do him more harm than good.

Possible political theatre/pandering aside, I think they all ned to get together to work on this problem.

Let's face it, they're all a bunch of damn lawyers, they don't what the h3ll is going on, but they do they do need to go listen to financial experts, ask questions and come up with some kind of response/solution.

Fern

Yes, they definitely do. Do you really think that Obama and McCain are going to have much to do with the final bill? I don't. As far as I know neither one of them is on any of the relevant committees, and between the two of them neither one seems to be an economic heavyweight. I mean, do we really even want the guy who says he doesn't understand economics to help engineer a $1 trillion bailout?
 

OrByte

Diamond Member
Jul 21, 2000
9,302
144
106
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: eskimospy
McCain really needs to work on his pandering. This is so obviously and pathetically a campaign tactic that I feel like it will do him more harm than good.

Possible political theatre/pandering aside, I think they all ned to get together to work on this problem.

Let's face it, they're all a bunch of damn lawyers, they don't what the h3ll is going on, but they do they do need to go listen to financial experts, ask questions and come up with some kind of response/solution.

Fern

Yes, they definitely do. Do you really think that Obama and McCain are going to have much to do with the final bill? I don't. As far as I know neither one of them is on any of the relevant committees, and between the two of them neither one seems to be an economic heavyweight. I mean, do we really even want the guy who says he doesn't understand economics to help engineer a $1 trillion bailout?

but McCain can stand there (or sit) and look interested and grim.

just like the rest of us.

meanwhile Obama can continue to multitask and beat McCain in campaigning for the next POTUS.
 

ranmaniac

Golden Member
May 14, 2001
1,940
0
76
From drudge:

David Letterman tells audience that McCain called him today to tell him he had to rush back to DC to deal with the economy.

Then in the middle of the taping Dave got word that McCain was, in fact just down the street being interviewed by Katie Couric. Dave even cut over to the live video of the interview, and said, "Hey Senator, can I give you a ride home?"

Earlier in the show, Dave kept saying, "You don't suspend your campaign. This doesn't smell right. This isn't the way a tested hero behaves." And he joked: "I think someone's putting something in his metamucil."

"He can't run the campaign because the economy is cratering? Fine, put in your second string quarterback, Sara Palin. Where is she?"

"What are you going to do if you're elected and things get tough? Suspend being president? We've got a guy like that now!"

Developing...


:laugh:
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
12,257
9,078
136
Originally posted by: ranmaniac
From drudge:

David Letterman tells audience that McCain called him today to tell him he had to rush back to DC to deal with the economy.

Then in the middle of the taping Dave got word that McCain was, in fact just down the street being interviewed by Katie Couric. Dave even cut over to the live video of the interview, and said, "Hey Senator, can I give you a ride home?"

Earlier in the show, Dave kept saying, "You don't suspend your campaign. This doesn't smell right. This isn't the way a tested hero behaves." And he joked: "I think someone's putting something in his metamucil."

"He can't run the campaign because the economy is cratering? Fine, put in your second string quarterback, Sara Palin. Where is she?"

"What are you going to do if you're elected and things get tough? Suspend being president? We've got a guy like that now!"

Developing...


:laugh:

Ouch. This ^ type of thing is exactly why this won't play well for McCain.
 

quest55720

Golden Member
Nov 3, 2004
1,339
0
0
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: eskimospy
McCain really needs to work on his pandering. This is so obviously and pathetically a campaign tactic that I feel like it will do him more harm than good.

Possible political theatre/pandering aside, I think they all ned to get together to work on this problem.

Let's face it, they're all a bunch of damn lawyers, they don't what the h3ll is going on, but they do they do need to go listen to financial experts, ask questions and come up with some kind of response/solution.

Fern

Yes, they definitely do. Do you really think that Obama and McCain are going to have much to do with the final bill? I don't. As far as I know neither one of them is on any of the relevant committees, and between the two of them neither one seems to be an economic heavyweight. I mean, do we really even want the guy who says he doesn't understand economics to help engineer a $1 trillion bailout?

but McCain can stand there (or sit) and look interested and grim.

just like the rest of us.

meanwhile Obama can continue to multitask and beat McCain in campaigning for the next POTUS.

If by multi-tasking you mean stay far away as possible to avoid any political fall out if the bill fails sure Obama is multi-tasking. This is the test of leadership and Obama has failed yet again. Every time he has had the chance to show leadership he runs and hides behind his party. This time around he wants no part of this bill incase it fails but if it works he will brag how he was behind it. Obama should be there in washington getting this done I think he can skip a rally or 2 to help put together a trillion dollar bill.

 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
12,257
9,078
136
Originally posted by: AllWhacked
Originally posted by: Pens1566
I'm not sure where you're getting this one from ...

I got it from a Pew Poll


Thanks. I haven't seen any but that one in favor. Earlier today CNN was touting one that was something like 10% in favor ....
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
32,539
260
126
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: lupi
And meanwhile the suit gives a speech about this being a time for bipartisanship and not politics like usual, and plans on continuing campaign and the debate. I know which one my wallet cares more about.

Yeah, it's like he takes the electoral process seriously... like this shit matters! Pfff...

What a dumbass!

how many days till the election, talk about a dumbass.
 

OrByte

Diamond Member
Jul 21, 2000
9,302
144
106
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: eskimospy
McCain really needs to work on his pandering. This is so obviously and pathetically a campaign tactic that I feel like it will do him more harm than good.

Possible political theatre/pandering aside, I think they all ned to get together to work on this problem.

Let's face it, they're all a bunch of damn lawyers, they don't what the h3ll is going on, but they do they do need to go listen to financial experts, ask questions and come up with some kind of response/solution.

Fern

Yes, they definitely do. Do you really think that Obama and McCain are going to have much to do with the final bill? I don't. As far as I know neither one of them is on any of the relevant committees, and between the two of them neither one seems to be an economic heavyweight. I mean, do we really even want the guy who says he doesn't understand economics to help engineer a $1 trillion bailout?

but McCain can stand there (or sit) and look interested and grim.

just like the rest of us.

meanwhile Obama can continue to multitask and beat McCain in campaigning for the next POTUS.

If by multi-tasking you mean stay far away as possible to avoid any political fall out if the bill fails sure Obama is multi-tasking. This is the test of leadership and Obama has failed yet again. Every time he has had the chance to show leadership he runs and hides behind his party. This time around he wants no part of this bill incase it fails but if it works he will brag how he was behind it. Obama should be there in washington getting this done I think he can skip a rally or 2 to help put together a trillion dollar bill.
He will vote on it like every other senator out there that is trying to figure out what the treasury, senate banking committee, and the white house want to do with this crisis.

Its not like Obama or McCain will walk into a room and everyone will await their orders. They aren't even on any relevant committee.

He showed leadership by not knee-jerking and calling for the Chris Cox's head on a platter like McCain did

He also showed leadership and intelligence when he didnt release an economic plan whilst the actual sitting administration and treasury were running around trying to put the fires out on wall street.

Everytime a crisis comes up John McCain wants to be there front and center to show off his "leadership" Im sorry but I dont respect the opportunism of John McCain.

And I am sure Obama will be able to "skip a rally or two" and participate when and where needed. Its John McCain that can't seem to keep two trains of thought going through his head at one time.

 

Fern

Elite Member
Sep 30, 2003
26,907
173
106
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-
I mean, do we really even want the guy who says he doesn't understand economics to help engineer a $1 trillion bailout?

As opposed to what?

Some clueless windbag of an attorney in Congress who lies and claims that he does know much about this financial matter?

I don't believe any of them know jack sh!t about it, I don't care what they may say to the contrary.

They need some honest assessments from REAL financial experts. There's likely to be disagreements among them, so yeah, I say they need to be there to listen etc and make the decision. Otherwise, they'll be abandoning the matter to some committee flunky that no one knows.

Fern
 

sonambulo

Diamond Member
Feb 22, 2004
4,777
1
0
Originally posted by: ranmaniac
From drudge:

David Letterman tells audience that McCain called him today to tell him he had to rush back to DC to deal with the economy.

Then in the middle of the taping Dave got word that McCain was, in fact just down the street being interviewed by Katie Couric. Dave even cut over to the live video of the interview, and said, "Hey Senator, can I give you a ride home?"

Earlier in the show, Dave kept saying, "You don't suspend your campaign. This doesn't smell right. This isn't the way a tested hero behaves." And he joked: "I think someone's putting something in his metamucil."

"He can't run the campaign because the economy is cratering? Fine, put in your second string quarterback, Sara Palin. Where is she?"

"What are you going to do if you're elected and things get tough? Suspend being president? We've got a guy like that now!"

Developing...


:laugh:

All aboard teh lollercoaster!

Seriously, that's an ouch. What the hell is McCain thinking!??!?!
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
12,257
9,078
136
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-
I mean, do we really even want the guy who says he doesn't understand economics to help engineer a $1 trillion bailout?

As opposed to what?

Some clueless windbag of an attorney in Congress who lies and claims that he does know much about this financial matter?

I don't believe any of them know jack sh!t about it, I don't care what they may say to the contrary.

They need some honest assessments from REAL financial experts. There's likely to be disagreements among them, so yeah, I say they need to be there to listen etc and make the decision. Otherwise, they'll be abandoning the matter to some committee flunky that no one knows.

Fern

I can agree with the last point. They do need to confer with real financial experts. I'm just not sure that Paulson qualifies at this point due to his previous job. I certainly don't think Fiorina and Gramm fall into that category either.

 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,586
50,771
136
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-
I mean, do we really even want the guy who says he doesn't understand economics to help engineer a $1 trillion bailout?

As opposed to what?

Some clueless windbag of an attorney in Congress who lies and claims that he does know much about this financial matter?

I don't believe any of them know jack sh!t about it, I don't care what they may say to the contrary.

They need some honest assessments from REAL financial experts. There's likely to be disagreements among them, so yeah, I say they need to be there to listen etc and make the decision. Otherwise, they'll be abandoning the matter to some committee flunky that no one knows.

Fern

Uhmmm...people on the banking and finance committees have been dealing with issues related to this for years, in some cases decades. I'm not even sure what you mean about 'listening to them and making a decision'. Bills are incredibly complex and very carefully worded. You honestly think someone with as little knowledge as McCain has (by his own admission... or Obama for that matter) is going to be crafting the wording of this legislation? Of course not.

If there's anything that they would do in this situation it would be try and use their influence to twist arms or build a compromise. Guess what, that doesn't require you to be sitting in DC to do, and it is something that is unlikely for either presidential candidate to be called upon to do. You think Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi are going to ask Obama to get deeply involved in this, or allow McCain to have much of a say? Psssh, of course not.

This was 100% pander and a pathetic attempt to look concerned and in charge. Dumb, dumb, dumb.