McCain Suspends his Campaign

Page 7 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

PELarson

Platinum Member
Mar 27, 2001
2,289
0
0
Appears that Senator McCain suspended his campaign to read the bill, maybe!

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local...storyid=97180&catid=45

"MIDDLEBURG HEIGHTS -- Senator John McCain says he has not decided whether or not to support the Wall Street bailout package now being reviewed by Congress.

The price tag is $700 billion, but could run higher.

In an exclusive interview he told Tom Beres,"I have not had a chance to see it in writing. I have to examine it.""
 

OrByte

Diamond Member
Jul 21, 2000
9,302
144
106
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: lupi
So let me get this straight. Yall killed bush for not changing planes and continuing regular schedule while katrina was going on. Yall probably would have killed bush if he went to the convention during gustav/hanna/ike. And now yall are killing mccain for taking the time the head to dc for this. Definitely not a partisan moment in those decisions.

Because Bush was the GUY IN CHARGE OF HANDLING THOSE THINGS you moron. McCain has nothing to do with this. He's not on any of the committees that deal with this, he's not part of the conference committees between the House, Senate, and White House. He's simply not involved. Do you even spend the smallest bit of time trying to learn about a subject before you open your stupid mouth?

So yes, when the president of the United States doesn't pay attention when an entire American city is being wiped off the map you get mad at him. When a senator who admits he knows nothing about economics doesn't participate in the drafting of an economic bill, you are thankful he had the good sense to keep his fat fingers out of it.

Instead, out of desperation McCain is trying another ridiculous stunt to get attention. Looks like his Sarah Palin stunt is backfiring (as I said it would), and I bet this one will too. If I had to place a bet right now, the Democrats will have this deal done (for all intents and purposes either tonight or tomorrow morning. I think they'll finish it for the right reasons, but I'm sure the pleasure of sticking it to this idiot will occur to them.
Bolded because its becoming apparent that maybe John McCain doesn't even know his role as a Senator?

he has only been in the Senate as long as I have been on this planet.

:laugh:

 

Thump553

Lifer
Jun 2, 2000
12,750
2,525
126
I only see three possible roles McCain playing in this:

1) most probable and most significantly, he could help the White House jawbone other reluctant GOP senators to support the GOP originated proposal. That's something he could just as easily do by phone as in person-and he could do this around the few hours scheduled for the debate,

2) if the vote is extremely close, he could go to Washington for the final vote. No need to cancel the debate, the Senate could have a Saturday session if the vote isn't earlier, and

3) he could politicize this so far legitamitely bipartisan effort to solve the financial crisis by grandstanding and turning it into a photo op for McCain. But that runs contrary to everything McCain has said to date that he stands for, so he wouldn't be doing that, right??
 

GTKeeper

Golden Member
Apr 14, 2005
1,118
0
0
Well, we have an agreement on the bill now.

I hope McCain does the right thing and debates tomorrow.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
12,257
9,078
136
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Well, we have an agreement on the bill now.

I hope McCain does the right thing and debates tomorrow.

Wow. That John McCain works FAST!!!!!
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,586
50,771
136
Originally posted by: Pens1566
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Well, we have an agreement on the bill now.

I hope McCain does the right thing and debates tomorrow.

Wow. That John McCain works FAST!!!!!

I wonder if he'll try to take credit for it? I'm guessing no, as this was too fast. Then again, he has been utterly shameless up to this point...
 

GTKeeper

Golden Member
Apr 14, 2005
1,118
0
0
My take is also this...

Just because you sign off on a contract doesn't mean you did any work toward it.


The repubs and dems have been working on this for the last week and a half. McCain comes in for the last 24 hours. I seriously doubt he even had any input on the language or the bill itself.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
32,539
260
126
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: lupi

You mean Barney "icouldnthavebeenmoreofapartoftheproblemwithoutwearinganametaglabeledproblem" Franks?
yes the same Barney Franks who is apparently at this very moment squeaking out negotiations while McCain is riding into town on his white horse.

God forbid anything he has significant input to getting passed.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
12,257
9,078
136
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
My take is also this...

Just because you sign off on a contract doesn't mean you did any work toward it.


The repubs and dems have been working on this for the last week and a half. McCain comes in for the last 24 hours. I seriously doubt he even had any input on the language or the bill itself.

As of about 11am, McCain was still in NYC .... I doubt he had much, if any, input at all.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
41,091
513
126
Quite frankly McCain's campaign has derailed. He was closing the gap with Obama while talking the issues and letting Obama slip up. Since the convention they have some how decided with the way Palin was recieved it is time to go on the offensive and make exaggerations or outright lies about the opponent. Now this stunt?

I am simple baffled by it. They must believe they cant win on the issues. Something I really think if they focused on they could. Obama is no centrist no matter how many times people scream it.

So what happened was the McCain campaign overextended their reach and now are the ones in the news with sound bites that hurt. I'd say this it the week Obama takes a solid 5-8 point lead and wins the election. McCain wanting to duck the debates is silly, honestly, congress can get this shit done without him at the helm.

Terribly run campaign post convention. Obama let them put the sword right through their own heart. Now all he is doing is the twisting to deliver the death blow.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
27,928
142
106
Originally posted by: Genx87
Quite frankly McCain's campaign has derailed. He was closing the gap with Obama while talking the issues and letting Obama slip up. Since the convention they have some how decided with the way Palin was recieved it is time to go on the offensive and make exaggerations or outright lies about the opponent. Now this stunt?

I am simple baffled by it. They must believe they cant win on the issues. Something I really think if they focused on they could. Obama is no centrist no matter how many times people scream it.

So what happened was the McCain campaign overextended their reach and now are the ones in the news with sound bites that hurt. I'd say this it the week Obama takes a solid 5-8 point lead and wins the election. McCain wanting to duck the debates is silly, honestly, congress can get this shit done without him at the helm.

Terribly run campaign post convention. Obama let them put the sword right through their own heart. Now all he is doing is the twisting to deliver the death blow.
Glad you are realistic about it Genx. Agreed, it is baffling that McCain would want to sidestep the debates. :(
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,586
50,771
136
Originally posted by: RKDaley
Boehner says there is no agreement.

Everyone else seems to disagree with him. This isn't 100% finished legislation as they still have to finish writing it, what everyone is saying though is that the major issues have all been worked out.

This is probably a political move on Boehner's part to make the deal take longer so McCain doesn't look quite as bad as he does now.
 

ayabe

Diamond Member
Aug 10, 2005
7,449
0
0
Genx - I don't know how you can say the McCain owns on the issues, he's been running away from the issues since Obama locked up the nomination. He's even tried to hijack Change, with laughable results.

He loses with the voter on just about every issue, which is why we got stuck with Palin in the first place. He was running on I'm a POW and Maverick up until them, the former may be true, but people have seen through the latter.

He is proposing stay the course on just about everything we've had for 8 years, that's not winning on the issues, people don't want that or else GW would have a higher approval rating.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
41,091
513
126
Originally posted by: ayabe
Genx - I don't know how you can say the McCain owns on the issues, he's been running away from the issues since Obama locked up the nomination. He's even tried to hijack Change, with laughable results.

He loses with the voter on just about every issue, which is why we got stuck with Palin in the first place. He was running on I'm a POW and Maverick up until them, the former may be true, but people have seen through the latter.

He is proposing stay the course on just about everything we've had for 8 years, that's not winning on the issues, people don't want that or else GW would have a higher approval rating.

I didnt say he owns the issues. I said he could still win on the issues by talking about them. He closed the massive double digit lead Obama had in the summer by talking the issues. But post convention it is like his campaign lost their minds.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
12,257
9,078
136
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: ayabe
Genx - I don't know how you can say the McCain owns on the issues, he's been running away from the issues since Obama locked up the nomination. He's even tried to hijack Change, with laughable results.

He loses with the voter on just about every issue, which is why we got stuck with Palin in the first place. He was running on I'm a POW and Maverick up until them, the former may be true, but people have seen through the latter.

He is proposing stay the course on just about everything we've had for 8 years, that's not winning on the issues, people don't want that or else GW would have a higher approval rating.

I didnt say he owns the issues. I said he could still win on the issues by talking about them. He closed the massive double digit lead Obama had in the summer by talking the issues. But post convention it is like his campaign lost their minds.

No he didn't. He closed it with the traditional convention bounce plus the Palin hype.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,586
50,771
136
Originally posted by: Genx87
Quite frankly McCain's campaign has derailed. He was closing the gap with Obama while talking the issues and letting Obama slip up. Since the convention they have some how decided with the way Palin was recieved it is time to go on the offensive and make exaggerations or outright lies about the opponent. Now this stunt?

I am simple baffled by it. They must believe they cant win on the issues. Something I really think if they focused on they could. Obama is no centrist no matter how many times people scream it.

So what happened was the McCain campaign overextended their reach and now are the ones in the news with sound bites that hurt. I'd say this it the week Obama takes a solid 5-8 point lead and wins the election. McCain wanting to duck the debates is silly, honestly, congress can get this shit done without him at the helm.

Terribly run campaign post convention. Obama let them put the sword right through their own heart. Now all he is doing is the twisting to deliver the death blow.

I don't know, I think McCain is doing the best he can with a bad hand. I never really thought he had much of a chance to win to begin with. First, the Democrats have a hugely contentious primary where the two candidates rip each other apart. McCain briefly is in the lead because of this, and then the election dynamics take over and send him to down about 5 points. (give or take) He then picks a super risky running mate who helps generate excitement about his campaign and he's up again briefly. Then election dynamics take over again and he's back to being down by about 5 points (give or take).

What his moves now show me is that he doesn't think he can win if he lets things take their normal course, and so a bold stroke... any bold stroke is needed. He saw what he thought was a chance here and he took it, but it looks like he miscalculated. If there had honestly been some gridlock and he had come in there and somehow brokered an agreement (fat chance, but still), he would have looked like a hero. This way he just looks confused and desperate.

So while I disagree with you on whether or not Obama is a centrist, it's nice to see people trying to figure out why McCain is doing what he's doing, and doing some actual critique on the campaigns. That's the sort of thing that's most interesting to me, and I wish we could do that here more often.
 

GTKeeper

Golden Member
Apr 14, 2005
1,118
0
0
Originally posted by: Genx87
Quite frankly McCain's campaign has derailed. He was closing the gap with Obama while talking the issues and letting Obama slip up. Since the convention they have some how decided with the way Palin was recieved it is time to go on the offensive and make exaggerations or outright lies about the opponent. Now this stunt?

I am simple baffled by it. They must believe they cant win on the issues. Something I really think if they focused on they could. Obama is no centrist no matter how many times people scream it.

So what happened was the McCain campaign overextended their reach and now are the ones in the news with sound bites that hurt. I'd say this it the week Obama takes a solid 5-8 point lead and wins the election. McCain wanting to duck the debates is silly, honestly, congress can get this shit done without him at the helm.

Terribly run campaign post convention. Obama let them put the sword right through their own heart. Now all he is doing is the twisting to deliver the death blow.

Whats weird too is that McCain made the most amazing comeback in primaries. Him flying coach all over the states pushing through 'just one more day' until the NH primary and he pulled it off! I thought that was amazing.

I think the heart of the matter is that the GOP is so corrupt at the core right now, that they forced McCain to go their way instead of his way. McCain's campaign manager who GOT him through the primaries and was one of the major reasons McCain won those, resigned shortly after because he knew how ugly the campaign would get. Especially with all the attacks the GOP had lined up.

Politics are disgusting IMHO.
 

OrByte

Diamond Member
Jul 21, 2000
9,302
144
106
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Genx87
Quite frankly McCain's campaign has derailed. He was closing the gap with Obama while talking the issues and letting Obama slip up. Since the convention they have some how decided with the way Palin was recieved it is time to go on the offensive and make exaggerations or outright lies about the opponent. Now this stunt?

I am simple baffled by it. They must believe they cant win on the issues. Something I really think if they focused on they could. Obama is no centrist no matter how many times people scream it.

So what happened was the McCain campaign overextended their reach and now are the ones in the news with sound bites that hurt. I'd say this it the week Obama takes a solid 5-8 point lead and wins the election. McCain wanting to duck the debates is silly, honestly, congress can get this shit done without him at the helm.

Terribly run campaign post convention. Obama let them put the sword right through their own heart. Now all he is doing is the twisting to deliver the death blow.

I don't know, I think McCain is doing the best he can with a bad hand. I never really thought he had much of a chance to win to begin with. First, the Democrats have a hugely contentious primary where the two candidates rip each other apart. McCain briefly is in the lead because of this, and then the election dynamics take over and send him to down about 5 points. (give or take) He then picks a super risky running mate who helps generate excitement about his campaign and he's up again briefly. Then election dynamics take over again and he's back to being down by about 5 points (give or take).

What his moves now show me is that he doesn't think he can win if he lets things take their normal course, and so a bold stroke... any bold stroke is needed. He saw what he thought was a chance here and he took it, but it looks like he miscalculated. If there had honestly been some gridlock and he had come in there and somehow brokered an agreement (fat chance, but still), he would have looked like a hero. This way he just looks confused and desperate.

So while I disagree with you on whether or not Obama is a centrist, it's nice to see people trying to figure out why McCain is doing what he's doing, and doing some actual critique on the campaigns. That's the sort of thing that's most interesting to me, and I wish we could do that here more often.

agreed, two quality posts.

It sure has been a fantastic election season.
 

heyheybooboo

Diamond Member
Jun 29, 2007
6,278
0
0
A talking head on MSNBC said that McCain has solved the crisis and brought everyone together.

snicker ... snicker
 

ayabe

Diamond Member
Aug 10, 2005
7,449
0
0
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: ayabe
Genx - I don't know how you can say the McCain owns on the issues, he's been running away from the issues since Obama locked up the nomination. He's even tried to hijack Change, with laughable results.

He loses with the voter on just about every issue, which is why we got stuck with Palin in the first place. He was running on I'm a POW and Maverick up until them, the former may be true, but people have seen through the latter.

He is proposing stay the course on just about everything we've had for 8 years, that's not winning on the issues, people don't want that or else GW would have a higher approval rating.

I didnt say he owns the issues. I said he could still win on the issues by talking about them. He closed the massive double digit lead Obama had in the summer by talking the issues. But post convention it is like his campaign lost their minds.

McCain would be up bigtime right now if he was running as the McCain of 2000, in fact I would say that it would have been over months ago. But in order to get the nomination he had to side with the luddites in the party.

Now he doesn't even know who he is anymore and seems to shift positions every single day seeing which gimmick he can try to pull, instead of being totally honest with the people who he wants to vote for him.

The Straight Talk has become alarmingly elliptical in nature.

The "Rovians" really need to get the boot after this election, they had their time, but people have outgrown it, and now we have really, serious and long-lasting problems to solve.

Without them I think McCain would be up, way up, just being himself. He wouldn't have picked Palin, wouldn't have lied in the attack ads, etc.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
41,091
513
126
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: ayabe
Genx - I don't know how you can say the McCain owns on the issues, he's been running away from the issues since Obama locked up the nomination. He's even tried to hijack Change, with laughable results.

He loses with the voter on just about every issue, which is why we got stuck with Palin in the first place. He was running on I'm a POW and Maverick up until them, the former may be true, but people have seen through the latter.

He is proposing stay the course on just about everything we've had for 8 years, that's not winning on the issues, people don't want that or else GW would have a higher approval rating.

I didnt say he owns the issues. I said he could still win on the issues by talking about them. He closed the massive double digit lead Obama had in the summer by talking the issues. But post convention it is like his campaign lost their minds.

McCain would be up bigtime right now if he was running as the McCain of 2000, in fact I would say that it would have been over months ago. But in order to get the nomination he had to side with the luddites in the party.

Now he doesn't even know who he is anymore and seems to shift positions every single day seeing which gimmick he can try to pull, instead of being totally honest with the people who he wants to vote for him.

The Straight Talk has become alarmingly elliptical in nature.

The "Rovians" really need to get the boot after this election, they had their time, but people have outgrown it, and now we have really, serious and long-lasting problems to solve.

Without them I think McCain would be up, way up, just being himself. He wouldn't have picked Palin, wouldn't have lied in the attack ads, etc.


Surprisingly Rove has criticized the McCain campaign for going overboard and not sticking to the issues. So what do we name them, Rovian's on roids?
 

Dari

Lifer
Oct 25, 2002
17,133
38
91
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: ayabe
Genx - I don't know how you can say the McCain owns on the issues, he's been running away from the issues since Obama locked up the nomination. He's even tried to hijack Change, with laughable results.

He loses with the voter on just about every issue, which is why we got stuck with Palin in the first place. He was running on I'm a POW and Maverick up until them, the former may be true, but people have seen through the latter.

He is proposing stay the course on just about everything we've had for 8 years, that's not winning on the issues, people don't want that or else GW would have a higher approval rating.

I didnt say he owns the issues. I said he could still win on the issues by talking about them. He closed the massive double digit lead Obama had in the summer by talking the issues. But post convention it is like his campaign lost their minds.

McCain would be up bigtime right now if he was running as the McCain of 2000, in fact I would say that it would have been over months ago. But in order to get the nomination he had to side with the luddites in the party.

Now he doesn't even know who he is anymore and seems to shift positions every single day seeing which gimmick he can try to pull, instead of being totally honest with the people who he wants to vote for him.

The Straight Talk has become alarmingly elliptical in nature.

The "Rovians" really need to get the boot after this election, they had their time, but people have outgrown it, and now we have really, serious and long-lasting problems to solve.

Without them I think McCain would be up, way up, just being himself. He wouldn't have picked Palin, wouldn't have lied in the attack ads, etc.


Surprisingly Rove has criticized the McCain campaign for going overboard and not sticking to the issues. So what do we name them, Rovian's on roids?

He's employing Rove's surrogates. They're trying to outdo their master.
 

Thump553

Lifer
Jun 2, 2000
12,750
2,525
126
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
A talking head on MSNBC said that McCain has solved the crisis and brought everyone together.

snicker ... snicker

That's going to be the Fox News line. Along with Obama caring more about political gain than country first.

After all they repeated that moronic line about foreign experience=being able to see Russia from Alaska over and over again.