McCain calls for 45 new Nuclear Reactors

[Moonbeam]

I should think, also, that biotech has a big future that we can't even begin to predict regarding future energy needs. I am looking forward to living in a tree house in a city forest, a living breathing habitat that produces my food and water and rocks me to sleep at night. My tree will also, of course, make electricity to hop my bio-robotic-VW-rabbit around in the branches. And my imagination will be genetically tuned so I can hear messages from the stars.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Carmen813
I don't think Emotional Intelligence means what you think it does. I say this as a former Electrical Engineering student and current senior psychology student. Emotional Intelligence is your ability to empathize with others...unless they changed the meaning since I took psych of personality.

People have pointed out numerous times that there are ways to deal with nuclear waste that are already in existence that remove it from the environment (such as:http://www.physorg.com/news6046.html) but you continue to ignore them. Any particular reason?

But that article completely refutes the notion that nuclear energy is safe. It says:

"230,000 tons of nuclear waste: that?s how much toxic metal can accumulate after 30 years of mining uranium - and that?s just one waste pile. With all the nuclear waste production throughout the world, this toxic metal is literally ?piling up? in more and more places, and is encroaching on inhabited areas.

During the process of generating nuclear power and nuclear weapons, radionuclides like uranium are discharged into the environment. These metals pose a serious ecological and health threat and usually contaminate the soil, sediment, and waters surrounding the waste piles.

Conventional methods of cleaning up these toxic wastes are often expensive and not very effective."

It then goes on to say that researchers in Germany """"""MAY"""" have the answer.

That's just wonderful news. Just as soon as the researchers in Germany clean up all man made nuclear contamination, I think we should be good to go. In the mean time, let those of us who are sane wait for the proof in the pudding. We have had the answer to nuclear waste from the beginning and we are still waiting. There are nothing but promises our children are supposed to implement while their grandpigs screw up their world. Meanwhile let's go straight ahead with renewable energy that's a plus for the whole world, energy technologies that can work in any country at any level of development and not create toxins that kill for centuries.

If you have any emotional intelligence or real empathy you will understand you don't gamble with future lives, not if you have any real love for yourself. You should know also, the terrible burden of guilt the nuclear folk repress. They know unconsciously the sin they commit, no?

Oh gosh, what have we here? Why it's an ad that came in today's mail and laying on top of the pile that says:

Every mother wants a clean home. EVEN MOTHER NATURE.

Not to mention this technology would not solve the waste problem. What they're researching are basically heavy metal "sponges," useful for cleanup of not only radioactive contamination, but also contamination from other toxic heavy metals. These bacteria do not reduce the radioactivity of the material, they simply soak up the metals. If uranium "sponges" were built to mimic the behavior of the bacteria, they would be highly radioactive and would still need to be disposed of like any other high-level radioactive waste.

 

[Muse]

It's been decades since a new reactor has been approved and built in the USA. There are good reasons for that. The problem of nuclear waste has not been properly addressed, far from it. And the problem continues to worsen as more waste piles up in rusting drums.

Every nuclear reactor is a catastrophe waiting to happen. Chernobyl was a catastrophe. And understand that as bad as it was, it could have been far worse.

Solar, geothermal, wind, fusion, ocean tides, hydrogen fuel cell. Not radioactive isotopes.

 

[BrownTown]

FWIW, there are other B&W reactors operating, including Three Mile Island, and more of the same design will be built before in the next decade.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Carmen813
I don't think Emotional Intelligence means what you think it does. I say this as a former Electrical Engineering student and current senior psychology student. Emotional Intelligence is your ability to empathize with others...unless they changed the meaning since I took psych of personality.

People have pointed out numerous times that there are ways to deal with nuclear waste that are already in existence that remove it from the environment (such as:http://www.physorg.com/news6046.html) but you continue to ignore them. Any particular reason?

But that article completely refutes the notion that nuclear energy is safe. It says:

"230,000 tons of nuclear waste: that?s how much toxic metal can accumulate after 30 years of mining uranium - and that?s just one waste pile. With all the nuclear waste production throughout the world, this toxic metal is literally ?piling up? in more and more places, and is encroaching on inhabited areas.

During the process of generating nuclear power and nuclear weapons, radionuclides like uranium are discharged into the environment. These metals pose a serious ecological and health threat and usually contaminate the soil, sediment, and waters surrounding the waste piles.

Conventional methods of cleaning up these toxic wastes are often expensive and not very effective."

It then goes on to say that researchers in Germany """"""MAY"""" have the answer.

That's just wonderful news. Just as soon as the researchers in Germany clean up all man made nuclear contamination, I think we should be good to go. In the mean time, let those of us who are sane wait for the proof in the pudding. We have had the answer to nuclear waste from the beginning and we are still waiting. There are nothing but promises our children are supposed to implement while their grandpigs screw up their world. Meanwhile let's go straight ahead with renewable energy that's a plus for the whole world, energy technologies that can work in any country at any level of development and not create toxins that kill for centuries.

If you have any emotional intelligence or real empathy you will understand you don't gamble with future lives, not if you have any real love for yourself. You should know also, the terrible burden of guilt the nuclear folk repress. They know unconsciously the sin they commit, no?

Oh gosh, what have we here? Why it's an ad that came in today's mail and laying on top of the pile that says:

Every mother wants a clean home. EVEN MOTHER NATURE.

Not to mention this technology would not solve the waste problem. What they're researching are basically heavy metal "sponges," useful for cleanup of not only radioactive contamination, but also contamination from other toxic heavy metals. These bacteria do not reduce the radioactivity of the material, they simply soak up the metals. If uranium "sponges" were built to mimic the behavior of the bacteria, they would be highly radioactive and would still need to be disposed of like any other high-level radioactive waste.

Yes, I understand that. What I think the hope must be is that those living organisms could be separated from some matrix, likely an aqueous one and probably by filtration, such that contaminants could be removed and consolidated and reprocessed as raw materials.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

McCain is the new Bush

 

[KurskKnyaz]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Not to mention this technology would not solve the waste problem. What they're researching are basically heavy metal "sponges," useful for cleanup of not only radioactive contamination, but also contamination from other toxic heavy metals. These bacteria do not reduce the radioactivity of the material, they simply soak up the metals. If uranium "sponges" were built to mimic the behavior of the bacteria, they would be highly radioactive and would still need to be disposed of like any other high-level radioactive waste.

That's a very naive statement. This "sponge technology" is not technology method available. I could of course google endless articles like moonbeam but I'll leave you to do that.

 

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: Muse
It's been decades since a new reactor has been approved and built in the USA. There are good reasons for that. The problem of nuclear waste has not been properly addressed, far from it. And the problem continues to worsen as more waste piles up in rusting drums.

Every nuclear reactor is a catastrophe waiting to happen. Chernobyl was a catastrophe. And understand that as bad as it was, it could have been far worse.

Solar, geothermal, wind, fusion, ocean tides, hydrogen fuel cell. Not radioactive isotopes.

It's hard to have an honest debate when the opposition does not rely on fact, but childish statement which are blatantly false.

Waste is not "piling up in rusting drums". This is a tired meme from the environementalists which is not and has never been the case.

Spent fuel is stored in engineered casks, documented and analyzed by thousands of pages of calculations and tests. There are two types of storage solutions, the older is a thick-walled steel cask which sits on a concrete pad. The newer type is a thinner, multi-shelled cask stored horizontally in a concrete bunker. You can see pictures of them here: http://www.transnuclear.com

The problems with spent fuel are mainly political. There are already proven methods (which are in practice in other countries) to reduce the volume of waste to smaller volumes and recycle it.

The only reason why we have a waste problem in the US is because the anti-nuclear crowd actively oppose progress in the development of spent fuel solutions, just so they can protest the use of nuclear energy because of the lack of spent fuel solutions!

Every reactor is not a catastrophe waiting to happen. This statement stems from ignorance about how nuclear power works, and how plants today are operated. Chernobyl was a disaster, but luckily no US plants have even a remotely similar design or is operated in such an unregulated manner. There is no comparison between Chernobyl and US plants whatsoever.

Solar, geothermal, wind, tide power (not fuel cells though, which are only a energy storage system, not a way to produce energy) are great ways to supplement the grid. But they can never be the sole solution. Fusion may very well be the future of energy production, but it is 50-100 years away from a commercial applicability.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

You are obviously a pinhead nuclear engineer given that your avatar is a fallout sign.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion

Originally posted by: Muse
It's been decades since a new reactor has been approved and built in the USA. There are good reasons for that. The problem of nuclear waste has not been properly addressed, far from it. And the problem continues to worsen as more waste piles up in rusting drums.

Every nuclear reactor is a catastrophe waiting to happen. Chernobyl was a catastrophe. And understand that as bad as it was, it could have been far worse.

Solar, geothermal, wind, fusion, ocean tides, hydrogen fuel cell. Not radioactive isotopes.

It's hard to have an honest debate when the opposition does not rely on fact, but childish statement which are blatantly false.

Waste is not "piling up in rusting drums". This is a tired meme from the environementalists which is not and has never been the case.

Spent fuel is stored in engineered casks, documented and analyzed by thousands of pages of calculations and tests. There are two types of storage solutions, the older is a thick-walled steel cask which sits on a concrete pad. The newer type is a thinner, multi-shelled cask stored horizontally in a concrete bunker. You can see pictures of them here: http://www.transnuclear.com

The problems with spent fuel are mainly political. There are already proven methods (which are in practice in other countries) to reduce the volume of waste to smaller volumes and recycle it.

The only reason why we have a waste problem in the US is because the anti-nuclear crowd actively oppose progress in the development of spent fuel solutions, just so they can protest the use of nuclear energy because of the lack of spent fuel solutions!

Every reactor is not a catastrophe waiting to happen. This statement stems from ignorance about how nuclear power works, and how plants today are operated. Chernobyl was a disaster, but luckily no US plants have even a remotely similar design or is operated in such an unregulated manner. There is no comparison between Chernobyl and US plants whatsoever.

Solar, geothermal, wind, tide power (not fuel cells though, which are only a energy storage system, not a way to produce energy) are great ways to supplement the grid. But they can never be the sole solution. Fusion may very well be the future of energy production, but it is 50-100 years away from a commercial applicability.

Interesting you say 'can never' and provide nothing but your opinion while I have shown three links that say that solar or wind or thermal, alone without the others, can power the nation. Clearly you are just mumbling stuff you have been told by other know nothings or motivated liars.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

like i said, what can be done on paper does not necessarily mean it can be done in real life. By that logic nuclear is no problem. You haven't shown anything. You actually posted an article where a "pinhead" said HVDC won't happen, but you discredit it.

 

[BrownTown]

Meh, spent fuel is the biggest non-issue ever. You could fit all the worlds spent fuel in a few Olympic size swimming pools. There are geologic formations that have been stable for hundreds of millions of years, why is it so hard to expect that we can find one that can last 100 years (to a point where technology would almost surely have solved this problem), or 100,000 years when the fuel isn't nearly so dangerous, or even 10,000,000 years when humanity may well probably be extinct. Things like concrete and steel don't just erode after a few hundred years. Look at the pyramids made of normal old stone, and if spent fuel had been stored inside it would never have escaped. If people thousands of years ago could make such stable buildings then why do ya'll think that with todays technology we are somehow unable?

Not to mention the fact that the time needed to store the "waste" would probably be more like 20-50 years before people stop considering it waste and start considering it fuel for more advanced reactors.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

good point. The space elevator will make disposal even better. That's some tech I'm really looking forward to.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
like i said, what can be done on paper does not necessarily mean it can be done in real life. By that logic nuclear is no problem. You haven't shown anything. You actually posted an article where a "pinhead" said HVDC won't happen, but you discredit it.

I told you that you are a blithering idiot who can't be shown anything but the lining of your colon.

Proven Technology

50 HVDC projects

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
Meh, spent fuel is the biggest non-issue ever. You could fit all the worlds spent fuel in a few Olympic size swimming pools. There are geologic formations that have been stable for hundreds of millions of years, why is it so hard to expect that we can find one that can last 100 years (to a point where technology would almost surely have solved this problem), or 100,000 years when the fuel isn't nearly so dangerous, or even 10,000,000 years when humanity may well probably be extinct. Things like concrete and steel don't just erode after a few hundred years. Look at the pyramids made of normal old stone, and if spent fuel had been stored inside it would never have escaped. If people thousands of years ago could make such stable buildings then why do ya'll think that with todays technology we are somehow unable?

Not to mention the fact that the time needed to store the "waste" would probably be more like 20-50 years before people stop considering it waste and start considering it fuel for more advanced reactors.

Yup, and don't forget the cute little nanobots we will make that will crawl all over the earth finding radioactive particles and bringing them to the space elevator where they will take off and fly to the sun. Nuclear waste is just not a problem. Why the people of the future will be radioactively hardened and work and live inside reactors. We will piss nucleotides and see with x-ray vision. Life's is wonderful when you don't give a fuck about kids.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
like i said, what can be done on paper does not necessarily mean it can be done in real life. By that logic nuclear is no problem. You haven't shown anything. You actually posted an article where a "pinhead" said HVDC won't happen, but you discredit it.

I told you that you are a blithering idiot who can't be shown anything but the lining of your colon.

Proven Technology

50 HVDC projects

What is the point of those articles? I know it can be done. It just won't be done on a large scale for the entire nation. HVDC is not the only limit behind alternative resources.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
like i said, what can be done on paper does not necessarily mean it can be done in real life. By that logic nuclear is no problem. You haven't shown anything. You actually posted an article where a "pinhead" said HVDC won't happen, but you discredit it.

I told you that you are a blithering idiot who can't be shown anything but the lining of your colon.

Proven Technology

50 HVDC projects

What is the point of those articles? I know it can be done. It just won't be done on a large scale for the entire nation. HVDC is not the only limit behind alternative resources.

The purpose, obviously, was to demonstrate that just as you don't know anything about how HVDC is and will be used, you also don't know much of anything else. All you do is make grand statements that this will happen and that won't based solely on your uninformed opinion. You never give any evidence that what you say is anything more than a dogma you have accepted. You don't reason, you don't want to read, and you sure as hell don't want to admit you thinking is silly. I understand perfectly clearly what you think are the facts, they just aren't shared by experts and they correspond to nothing real.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

thats interesting the expert in the other article said hvdc won't happen.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
thats interesting the expert in the other article said hvdc won't happen.

Link?

 

[KurskKnyaz]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
thats interesting the expert in the other article said hvdc won't happen.

Link?

This is the article YOU posted.

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/991/

We're inclined to think that the proposal is more of a thought experiment, and while it's an exciting one, we don't see the US grid switching to DC....ever. But while the South West's abundant sunshine is certainly a resource to be tapped, I'm pretty sure a more distributed system will be best in the end anyhow,

Basically, you gave me an article that confirms what i've already told you. You forgot?

 

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I think it safe to say that he, like you, was merely voicing his uninformed opinion.

Link

 

[KurskKnyaz]

yeah if he's the one who wrote the article

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
yeah if he's the one who wrote the article

Yes he was the one who wrote the article. I linked it to provide evidence for the area needed to power the nation, which is mentioned on a lot of sites, not for the opinion of the author regarding his non-professional opinion of its feasibility. The opinion you mentioned does not appear in my Opera browser and is covered with other information in IE7 on my system so I can only read a few of the words of his you linked. The page layout seems to have problems. The actual information is from Ausra, I think. Another link

If you want to have some fun read the comments by other pin heads on his article. You will find a bunch of other wise geeks who are actual idiots posting there too. "AC is better than DC and on and on." Quite comical.

This is why I keep calling you a pin head. You are myopic in your view. You glom onto some idiot's opinion as if he knew something and fail to apply a broad and wide perspective. I have told you I posted that piece to refute the notion that solar can't deliver enough power, not to say we can only build there. Then you create an issue about delivering power. I then show you that such power can and will be delivered if it is created and you get mired down is some one person's opinion failing even to check on his qualifications to hold that opinion, and so on. You are a huge pain in the butt because you refuse to stand back and think. All you do is try to throw cold water on a clean and hopeful future because you have the nuclear bug. Get over it. Deal with Abe Lincoln. What the people want can happen and what they don't won't. The soul of man is pro renewable and against the invisible death.

The point I was making was not that we can only have solar in one place but that just in one single place is way way way way more energy than we need. .03% of the Sahara can power all of Europe.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Yes he was the one who wrote the article. I linked it to provide evidence for the area needed to power the nation, which is mentioned on a lot of sites, not for the opinion of the author regarding his non-professional opinion of its feasibility. The opinion you mentioned does not appear in my Opera browser and is covered with other information in IE7 on my system so I can only read a few of the words of his you linked. The page layout seems to have problems. The actual information is from Ausra, I think. Another link

So why do you ppst articles if you're just going to discredit them when they don't agree with you?

If you want to have some fun read the comments by other pin heads on his article. You will find a bunch of other wise geeks who are actual idiots posting there too. "AC is better than DC and on and on." Quite comical.

I see that everyone who doesn't agree with you is a pinhead.

This is why I keep calling you a pin head. You are myopic in your view. You glom onto some idiot's opinion as if he knew something and fail to apply a broad and wide perspective.

You originally posted the article. Remember?

I have told you I posted that piece to refute the notion that solar can't deliver enough power, not to say we can only build there. Then you create an issue about delivering power. I then show you that such power can and will be delivered if it is created and you get mired down is some one person's opinion failing even to check on his qualifications to hold that opinion, and so on. You are a huge pain in the butt because you refuse to stand back and think. All you do is try to throw cold water on a clean and hopeful future because you have the nuclear bug. Get over it. Deal with Abe Lincoln. What the people want can happen and what they don't won't. The soul of man is pro renewable and against the invisible death.

Like I said it was YOU who posted that article. "Deliver" is the key word. The sun has plenty of power but the issue is how to deliver it. I already pointed out why HVDC won't happen for the entire nation. You never refuted this.

The point I was making was not that we can only have solar in one place but that just in one single place is way way way way more energy than we need. .03% of the Sahara can power all of Europe.

Nice point. The point I'm making is that the infrastructure needed to deliver that energy will never come into existence. Have a nice day. Pay attention next time.

 

[Moonbeam]

M: Yes he was the one who wrote the article. I linked it to provide evidence for the area needed to power the nation, which is mentioned on a lot of sites, not for the opinion of the author regarding his non-professional opinion of its feasibility. The opinion you mentioned does not appear in my Opera browser and is covered with other information in IE7 on my system so I can only read a few of the words of his you linked. The page layout seems to have problems. The actual information is from Ausra, I think. Another link[/quote]

KK: So why do you ppst articles if you're just going to discredit them when they don't agree with you?

M: This will be the third time I tell you. I wanted a short summary of the 92 miles to power the country because you don't read. I was not posting anything to do with HVDC or anything related. You dug that red herring up and I then refuted that too. But the bottom line is that you are too dumb really to understand what I was doing.
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M: If you want to have some fun read the comments by other pin heads on his article. You will find a bunch of other wise geeks who are actual idiots posting there too. "AC is better than DC and on and on." Quite comical.

KK. I see that everyone who doesn't agree with you is a pinhead.

M: No the comedy was that these pinheads were refuted right in that thread by people who knew what they were talking about and proved it.
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M: This is why I keep calling you a pin head. You are myopic in your view. You glom onto some idiot's opinion as if he knew something and fail to apply a broad and wide perspective.

KK: You originally posted the article. Remember?

M: Yes and remember you are too stupid to see why.
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M: I have told you I posted that piece to refute the notion that solar can't deliver enough power, not to say we can only build there. Then you create an issue about delivering power. I then show you that such power can and will be delivered if it is created and you get mired down is some one person's opinion failing even to check on his qualifications to hold that opinion, and so on. You are a huge pain in the butt because you refuse to stand back and think. All you do is try to throw cold water on a clean and hopeful future because you have the nuclear bug. Get over it. Deal with Abe Lincoln. What the people want can happen and what they don't won't. The soul of man is pro renewable and against the invisible death.[/quote]

KK Like I said it was YOU who posted that article. "Deliver" is the key word. The sun has plenty of power but the issue is how to deliver it. I already pointed out why HVDC won't happen for the entire nation. You never refuted this.

M: Refute what, your stupid opinion? Where are your links proving your case?
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M: The point I was making was not that we can only have solar in one place but that just in one single place is way way way way more energy than we need. .03% of the Sahara can power all of Europe.[/quote]

KK: Nice point. The point I'm making is that the infrastructure needed to deliver that energy will never come into existence. Have a nice day. Pay attention next time.

M: See what I mean? Where are your links. There is nothing to pay attention to but your hot air.