McCain calls for 45 new Nuclear Reactors

[KurskKnyaz]

I read that part. They will need to rewire it to the desert and on top of that they will need to adapt a new method of transferring electricity. Its not happening given that better energy sources are around the corner. Do you get that part?

 

[Moonbeam]

No new methods of transferring electricity are required. They already exist and there are companies that provide them.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

uh hello? The article said we have to switch over to HVDC. That is not a matter of flipping a switch. Pay attention numbnuts.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
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The federal government would have to invest more than $400 billion over the next 40 years to complete the 2050 plan.

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Something that I think is worth mentioning, while $400 billion is a lot of money, it's nothing compared to what we spend on imported oil. We were expected to spend over $300 billion on crude imports in 2008 alone (source), and that was based on $90/barrel. Needless to say the cost is much higher now with $140/barrel oil. That $400 billion investment would pay for itself in no time.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

There's no point on rewiring the country to an unredundant energy source that will become obsolete once technology advances. The article mentions how it is sufficient but not on how to deal with increased demand. Common sense will tell you that concentrating the nation's power in a single region has potentially disastrous consequences. Don't dwell on the $400 billion figure too much; it is just the predicted cost. Projects on this scale can never be calculated accurately. Because of unforeseeable consequences, we will never undertake an infrastructure change this immense - which is a good thing. The article is an example of very good theoretical work by "pinhead" engineers but is is just a fantasy that will never happen given that 40 years from now there are better energy prospects that don't require drastic infrastructure changes. By the article's logic we might as well build nuclear plants in the desert since it is a stable source of energy.

Fidel Castro ran Cuba into the ground by choosing sugar cane as its major export. How someone with 4 college degrees can do something this stupid is beyond me. However, it goes to show that diversity is redundancy. Same applies to energy. Do you know the weather forecast 40 years from now? How about the weather forecast on the sun? Do you know when this article was written and if its calculations account for the recent price surge in raw materials? Even when engineers build a house they give you an estimate of what it will cost because there are many variables that may be initially unapparent, but can add to the cost. We're talking about an entire country here. That is why this will never happen. Good article, thought - I'm glad to see moonbeam suddenly credit "pinheads".

 

[KurskKnyaz]

I just want to add that moonbeam should join an environmentalist group. That way he can be around others who ignore science, reason, logic, dwell on doomsday fantasies about glow-in-the-dark kids, and stereotype scientists and engineer's as evil geniuses. Moonbeam is so sure he is right that he is vigorously trying to defend his ego right now by googleing other articles that he can take out of context to try to refute my point. I've learned very few things in these last 27 pages of posts, but one notion that has been strongly reinforced is that there is no point in arguing with 12-year-old's. Anandtech should have a separate children's forum for moonbeam, aimster, and those alike. That way people can have a serious discussion and keep the bullshit in one neat and ignored section.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
I just want to add that moonbeam should join an environmentalist group. That way he can be around others who ignore science, reason, logic, dwell on doomsday fantasies about glow-in-the-dark kids, and stereotype scientists and engineer's as evil geniuses. Moonbeam is so sure he is right that he is vigorously trying to defend his ego right now by googleing other articles that he can take out of context to try to refute my point. I've learned very few things in these last 27 pages of posts, but one notion that has been strongly reinforced is that there is no point in arguing with 12-year-old's. Anandtech should have a separate children's forum for moonbeam, aimster, and those alike. That way people can have a serious discussion and keep the bullshit in one neat and ignored section.

What you have learned is that in fact it you who is the arrogant child who is upset because not everybody succumbs to being pushed around by the constant repetition of the same stupid, refuted points presented over and over again, somebody who is so narrow minded as to see only a small fraction of the issue and focuses on nonsensical minutia. Nobody had advocated solar as a sole source of future energy or that it should all be in one place. The argument has always been there to refute your claim that solar can't work when it demonstrably can. We know also that the rewiring has already begun and will continue as wind from Nebraska and the Dakotas can also power the nation. You will find that it's pin heads like yourself that are ultimately ignored. Only an asshole creates toxins that last hundreds of thousands of years. The world is just running out of drunken Indians to dump on.

 

[Moonbeam]

Wind

 

[Moonbeam]

It's just great that technologies are being created so fast in alternatives that nuclear will no longer be needed. Hallelujah!

 

[Moonbeam]

With 2000 times the current annual electrical use of the nation in extractible energy reserves, 10 times more than that with improvements in technology, geothermal can power the nation for centuries. It has a small footprint and runs 24/7 for those baseload needs.

LINK

 

[KurskKnyaz]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
I just want to add that moonbeam should join an environmentalist group. That way he can be around others who ignore science, reason, logic, dwell on doomsday fantasies about glow-in-the-dark kids, and stereotype scientists and engineer's as evil geniuses. Moonbeam is so sure he is right that he is vigorously trying to defend his ego right now by googleing other articles that he can take out of context to try to refute my point. I've learned very few things in these last 27 pages of posts, but one notion that has been strongly reinforced is that there is no point in arguing with 12-year-old's. Anandtech should have a separate children's forum for moonbeam, aimster, and those alike. That way people can have a serious discussion and keep the bullshit in one neat and ignored section.

What you have learned is that in fact it you who is the arrogant child who is upset because not everybody succumbs to being pushed around by the constant repetition of the same stupid, refuted points presented over and over again, somebody who is so narrow minded as to see only a small fraction of the issue and focuses on nonsensical minutia. Nobody had advocated solar as a sole source of future energy or that it should all be in one place. The argument has always been there to refute your claim that solar can't work when it demonstrably can. We know also that the rewiring has already begun and will continue as wind from Nebraska and the Dakotas can also power the nation. You will find that it's pin heads like yourself that are ultimately ignored. Only an asshole creates toxins that last hundreds of thousands of years. The world is just running out of drunken Indians to dump on.

You have to understand something: just because you say that what I wrote was refuted doesn't mean it was. The article you posted was about the entire nation running on solar energy out of one region, it even showed you a map. That won't happen. Sure, solar can be used along side other energy sources but it will not replace them for reasons that have already been addressed. Same reasons apply to wind. The bottom line is no one will play dice with the nations energy infrastructure. You didn't refute anything, you just made an ass out of yourself.

Also, I want to point out that "pinheads" are the ones who would be building your alternative energy sources.

Geothermal would be nice but the technology is immature. Nuclear is mature.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
I just want to add that moonbeam should join an environmentalist group. That way he can be around others who ignore science, reason, logic, dwell on doomsday fantasies about glow-in-the-dark kids, and stereotype scientists and engineer's as evil geniuses. Moonbeam is so sure he is right that he is vigorously trying to defend his ego right now by googleing other articles that he can take out of context to try to refute my point. I've learned very few things in these last 27 pages of posts, but one notion that has been strongly reinforced is that there is no point in arguing with 12-year-old's. Anandtech should have a separate children's forum for moonbeam, aimster, and those alike. That way people can have a serious discussion and keep the bullshit in one neat and ignored section.

What you have learned is that in fact it you who is the arrogant child who is upset because not everybody succumbs to being pushed around by the constant repetition of the same stupid, refuted points presented over and over again, somebody who is so narrow minded as to see only a small fraction of the issue and focuses on nonsensical minutia. Nobody had advocated solar as a sole source of future energy or that it should all be in one place. The argument has always been there to refute your claim that solar can't work when it demonstrably can. We know also that the rewiring has already begun and will continue as wind from Nebraska and the Dakotas can also power the nation. You will find that it's pin heads like yourself that are ultimately ignored. Only an asshole creates toxins that last hundreds of thousands of years. The world is just running out of drunken Indians to dump on.

You have to understand something: just because you say that what I wrote was refuted doesn't mean it was. The article you posted was about the entire nation running on solar energy out of one region, it even showed you a map. That won't happen. Sure, solar can be used along side other energy sources but it will not replace them for reasons that have already been addressed. Same reasons apply to wind. The bottom line is no one will play dice with the nations energy infrastructure. You didn't refute anything, you just made an ass out of yourself.

Also, I want to point out that "pinheads" are the ones who would be building your alternative energy sources.

Geothermal would be nice but the technology is immature. Nuclear is mature.

You have to understand that you don't see when you are refuted when you are. You have not switched from can't to won't, failing to recognize that what won't be tolerated by ordinary people in their neighborhoods in nuclear power. You can't grasp the notion that where there is a will there is a way and where there is resistance that resistance gets in the way. All of the alternatives I showed you can and are being pursued while nuclear waste stays where it was created with ecological disaster areas all over the world and new accidents happening as we speak. Only a pin head creates toxins that last hundreds of thousands of years. The engineers that see the future in alternatives are smart.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

You have to understand that you don't see when you are refuted when you are.

I can't see whats not there. Show me.

You have not switched from can't to won't

Same shit for all practice purposes.

failing to recognize that what won't be tolerated by ordinary people in their neighborhoods in nuclear power.

no one live on Yucca mountain.

You can't grasp the notion that where there is a will there is a way and where there is resistance that resistance gets in the way. All of the alternatives I showed you can and are being pursued while nuclear waste stays where it was created with ecological disaster areas all over the world and new accidents happening as we speak. Only a pin head creates toxins that last hundreds of thousands of years. The engineers that see the future in alternatives are smart.

The problem here is that you never provided data to back this (the bold) up. I see now, engineers that agree with you are smart.

 

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Right, I'm going to listen to an idiot like you rather than Scientific American.

The greatest obstacle to implementing a renewable U.S. energy system is not technology or money, however. It is the lack of public awareness that solar power is a practical alternative?and one that can fuel transportation as well. Forward-looking thinkers should try to inspire U.S. citizens, and their political and scientific leaders, about solar power?s incredible potential. Once Americans realize that potential, we believe the desire for energy self-sufficiency and the need to reduce carbon dioxide emissions will prompt them to adopt a national solar plan.

You, of course, aren't a forward looking, or much of any other kind of thinker.

FYI Sci Am also ran articles on new nuclear reprocessing technology so just wanted to warn you that using it as a supporting reference cuts both ways here.

 

[Moonbeam]

'I can't see whats not there. Show me.'

Yes, because you are blind, not because you weren't shown. You're an example of the expression, 'not worth the powder to blow you to hell'.

no one live on Yucca mountain.

A perfect further example of the generalized stupidity with which you argue your case. The people of Nevada don't want Yucca mountain used as a dump for other people's nuclear waste and neither does Harry Reid.

'The problem here is that you never provided data to back this (the bold) up. I see now, engineers that agree with you are smart.'

Do you even think when you bold things? You bolded two points. I just showed there are geothermal, wind, and solar resources that can power the nation. Are you contesting these, or are you really just still blind as to the problem of nuclear waste? All the evidence points to the latter, but you make your points with little thought or care, no?

And yes, engineers that agree with me have that most unpinheaded of traits called emotional intelligence. They understand not only the technical, but the psychological dimensions of potential solutions.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Right, I'm going to listen to an idiot like you rather than Scientific American.

The greatest obstacle to implementing a renewable U.S. energy system is not technology or money, however. It is the lack of public awareness that solar power is a practical alternative?and one that can fuel transportation as well. Forward-looking thinkers should try to inspire U.S. citizens, and their political and scientific leaders, about solar power?s incredible potential. Once Americans realize that potential, we believe the desire for energy self-sufficiency and the need to reduce carbon dioxide emissions will prompt them to adopt a national solar plan.

You, of course, aren't a forward looking, or much of any other kind of thinker.

FYI Sci Am also ran articles on new nuclear reprocessing technology so just wanted to warn you that using it as a supporting reference cuts both ways here.

Perhaps you could provide a link. I found this one right away.

Or this one from April 1996?

 

[DangerAardvark]

Nuclear energy has a huge PR problem. Since apparently facts don't really matter in public policy anymore, one way of improving it might be to capitalize on the recent coal mining disasters. "Senator Obama wants your dad to die in a coal mining cave-in! Obama, the wrong choice for America; the wrong choice for your dad!"

BTW, whatever happened to the time when all of Moonbeam's posts read like they were typed whilst insane or on shrooms?

 

[KurskKnyaz]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
'I can't see whats not there. Show me.'

Yes, because you are blind, not because you weren't shown. You're an example of the expression, 'not worth the powder to blow you to hell'.

no one live on Yucca mountain.

A perfect further example of the generalized stupidity with which you argue your case. The people of Nevada don't want Yucca mountain used as a dump for other people's nuclear waste and neither does Harry Reid.

'The problem here is that you never provided data to back this (the bold) up. I see now, engineers that agree with you are smart.'

Do you even think when you bold things? You bolded two points. I just showed there are geothermal, wind, and solar resources that can power the nation. Are you contesting these, or are you really just still blind as to the problem of nuclear waste? All the evidence points to the latter, but you make your points with little thought or care, no?

And yes, engineers that agree with me have that most unpinheaded of traits called emotional intelligence. They understand not only the technical, but the psychological dimensions of potential solutions.

I obviously read your articles, hy am I blind? I know people don't want waste in Yucca, I never argued that. I just said they are being illogical. Like the other guy said the biggest problem with nuclear is PR.

Yes, on paper they can theoretically power the nation. But that is on paper and it won't be applied for reasons that I'm tired of pointing out. Anti-matter can also power the nation. Good luck implementing that.

You never showed me a problem with nuclear waste that is greater than the problem with coal or the implementation problems of the alternative energy sources. I didn't say its flawless I said its the safest. Coal mining has killed and ruined more people's health than any nuclear leak.

"Emotional intelligence" - that is interesting since, by nature, emotions are not logical. ...and you though you coined a new phrase. What "psychological dimensions" are you talking about? WTF is that anyway and what does it have to do with anything?

You basically summed up your bias: "pinheads" are only right if they agree with you. What an ego you have there setting yourself as the standard for engineers to follow.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

BTW, whatever happened to the time when all of Moonbeam's posts read like they were typed whilst insane or on shrooms?

You mean to tell me they can get worse than these?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Nuclear energy has a huge PR problem. Since apparently facts don't really matter in public policy anymore, one way of improving it might be to capitalize on the recent coal mining disasters. "Senator Obama wants your dad to die in a coal mining cave-in! Obama, the wrong choice for America; the wrong choice for your dad!"

BTW, whatever happened to the time when all of Moonbeam's posts read like they were typed whilst insane or on shrooms?

Think of time traveler going back in time and discussing the map of Europe. He would sound quite lucid to Europeans, but if he were to talk of the geography of North America people would assume him insane. It is like that with you. In ordinary matters you know something about I sound quite normal, but when I tell you of things that won't be generally known for hundreds of years you are left only with autonomic responses and your defensive mechanism that protect you from knowledge. You are a prisoner of assumptions and think those who are free are from a mental institution. Your reactions are well known to all time travelers and covered in my sig. There, feeling better?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

BTW, whatever happened to the time when all of Moonbeam's posts read like they were typed whilst insane or on shrooms?

You mean to tell me they can get worse than these?

You, of course, are behind in almost everything and can't even keep up with today.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Nuclear energy has a huge PR problem. Since apparently facts don't really matter in public policy anymore, one way of improving it might be to capitalize on the recent coal mining disasters. "Senator Obama wants your dad to die in a coal mining cave-in! Obama, the wrong choice for America; the wrong choice for your dad!"

BTW, whatever happened to the time when all of Moonbeam's posts read like they were typed whilst insane or on shrooms?

Think of time traveler going back in time and discussing the map of Europe. He would sound quite lucid to Europeans, but if he were to talk of the geography of North America people would assume him insane. It is like that with you. In ordinary matters you know something about I sound quite normal, but when I tell you of things that won't be generally known for hundreds of years you are left only with autonomic responses and your defensive mechanism that protect you from knowledge. You are a prisoner of assumptions and think those who are free are from a mental institution. Your reactions are well known to all time travelers and covered in my sig. There, feeling better?

What thing do you tell me that won't be known for hundreds of years? WTF are you talking about? I don't have a defense mechanism at play and the last thing I need is a lunatic like you to psychoanalyze me. What I post is common sense not a defense mechanism. You're the one who takes articles out of context and discredits your own articles when they don't agree with you. So who has the defense mechanism.

My reactions are known to time travelers? WTF? Do the drunken indians know them too? Should I be scared?

What drugs are you on?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Nuclear energy has a huge PR problem. Since apparently facts don't really matter in public policy anymore, one way of improving it might be to capitalize on the recent coal mining disasters. "Senator Obama wants your dad to die in a coal mining cave-in! Obama, the wrong choice for America; the wrong choice for your dad!"

BTW, whatever happened to the time when all of Moonbeam's posts read like they were typed whilst insane or on shrooms?

Think of time traveler going back in time and discussing the map of Europe. He would sound quite lucid to Europeans, but if he were to talk of the geography of North America people would assume him insane. It is like that with you. In ordinary matters you know something about I sound quite normal, but when I tell you of things that won't be generally known for hundreds of years you are left only with autonomic responses and your defensive mechanism that protect you from knowledge. You are a prisoner of assumptions and think those who are free are from a mental institution. Your reactions are well known to all time travelers and covered in my sig. There, feeling better?

What thing do you tell me that won't be known for hundreds of years? WTF are you talking about? I don't have a defense mechanism at play and the last thing I need is a lunatic like you to psychoanalyze me. What I post is common sense not a defense mechanism. You're the one who takes articles out of context and discredits your own articles when they don't agree with you. So who has the defense mechanism.

My reactions are known to time travelers? WTF? Do the drunken indians know them too? Should I be scared?

What drugs are you on?

I have a post on another computer that I wrote before this one and should come first but hey, I have to wait for it to be free to finish, if it isn't deleted. One of the other inmates wanted to use the computer. 😉

It's not every day I point to my sig and then have somebody illustrate it in the next post.

 

[Moonbeam]

'What thing do you tell me that won't be known for hundreds of years? WTF are you talking about?'

Try not to think of yourself as the center of the world. I was speaking to another poster about posts in other threads that he brought up.

'I don't have a defense mechanism at play and the last thing I need is a lunatic like you to psychoanalyze me. What I post is common sense not a defense mechanism.'

I have forgotten more about you than you will ever know. You have no idea who you are or what you are feeling. I could care less this bothers you or what other reactions you have to this fact. You will discover much the same thing when you tell my drunken Indians they are alcoholics.

'You're the one who takes articles out of context and discredits your own articles when they don't agree with you. So who has the defense mechanism.'

I took a synopsis of a longer article because you said you won't real long shit and the idiots who posted the summery also added their own idiotic comments, ones you were immediately attracted to for obvious reasons.

'My reactions are known to time travelers?'

Certainly. Why would they not be. Hehe, you have a gift for handling analogy, I see.

'WTF? Do the drunken indians know them too? Should I be scared?'

No, you should be afraid of Darwin.

'What drugs are you on?'

The ones in my sig that can be invented in your future and already have been in mine.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
OK, the post is still here on this machine.

'I can't see whats not there. Show me.'

Yes, because you are blind, not because you weren't shown. You're an example of the expression, 'not worth the powder to blow you to hell'.

no one live on Yucca mountain.

A perfect further example of the generalized stupidity with which you argue your case. The people of Nevada don't want Yucca mountain used as a dump for other people's nuclear waste and neither does Harry Reid.

'The problem here is that you never provided data to back this (the bold) up. I see now, engineers that agree with you are smart.'

Do you even think when you bold things? You bolded two points. I just showed there are geothermal, wind, and solar resources that can power the nation. Are you contesting these, or are you really just still blind as to the problem of nuclear waste? All the evidence points to the latter, but you make your points with little thought or care, no?

And yes, engineers that agree with me have that most unpinheaded of traits called emotional intelligence. They understand not only the technical, but the psychological dimensions of potential solutions.

I obviously read your articles, hy am I blind? I know people don't want waste in Yucca, I never argued that. I just said they are being illogical. Like the other guy said the biggest problem with nuclear is PR.

Yes, on paper they can theoretically power the nation. But that is on paper and it won't be applied for reasons that I'm tired of pointing out. Anti-matter can also power the nation. Good luck implementing that.

You never showed me a problem with nuclear waste that is greater than the problem with coal or the implementation problems of the alternative energy sources. I didn't say its flawless I said its the safest. Coal mining has killed and ruined more people's health than any nuclear leak.

"Emotional intelligence" - that is interesting since, by nature, emotions are not logical. ...and you though you coined a new phrase. What "psychological dimensions" are you talking about? WTF is that anyway and what does it have to do with anything?

You basically summed up your bias: "pinheads" are only right if they agree with you. What an ego you have there setting yourself as the standard for engineers to follow.

The fact that people are illogical is the whole point. They are going to stay that way. They don't want nuclear waste around them and will do what they can to stop it. This is the emotional reality you can't seem to grasp. A fool is a person who does the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. People don't want nuclear waste so any nuclear power that's built will have the waste just sit there to fuck future generations. It takes a real prick to go down a road that nobody wants and will end in disaster just because you think people are illogical. They are logical as hell, but it isn't your logic. It's you who has the ego problem, not me.

And get it straight. I am against coal. I am against the negativity of your can't do approach. Americans can do anything when they have a mind to. People will support difficult choices that are renewable because it brings emotional happiness. Renewable energy is good for the soul. Nobody has to hide the guilt that they are fucking their kids.