If we can't rewire the country then how can TV/Internet providers provide communities with fiber?
If we can't rewire the country then how can TV/Internet providers provide communities with fiber?
Relatively cheap organic dye solar panels that shunt light to the edges of the panels to a small surface of silicon wafers can greatly extend the efficiency of ordinary cells they overlay and do not need to track the sun. Such home units will greatly decrease the amount of power that needs to be transported around at peak hours. They may be the means by which many will charge up our cars.
First of all, I read your articles anyway. You obviously didn't. You drove this discussion into a spin that is now on the topic of my "psychosis", really funny. Now you keep repeating how waste will "fuck" future generations and cause a disaster but once again you never say how.
Saying that people will stay illogical is a gross generalization of people. Opinions change, they always have. once people learn that nuclear waste is not a threat when properly disposed nuclear power may thrive. Why are we talking about this again?
The internet is networked. Its designed so that it can be added onto at any geographical point. Energy transmission is not. You have a single sorce where electricity is generated and it is delivered through power lines. We are talking about very different things.
The country could be rewired, its just an immense engineering task that won't happen.
'First of all, read your articles anyway. You obviously didn't.'
Did too
'You drove this discussion into a spin that is no on the topic of my "psychosis", really funny.'
You went and gave so much evidence of its presence
'Now you keep repeating how waste will "fuck" future generations and cause a disaster but once again you never say how.'
I said the past will be the future when it comes to cleaning up waste, promises and more promises. I don't expect to have to educate people on radiation dangers nor on what can happen to things left out in the open.
'Saying that people will stay illogical is a gross generalization of people. Opinions change, they always have. once people learn that nuclear waste is not a threat when properly disposed nuclear power may thrive. Why are we talking about this again?'
Because you are having a dream. They will not change any more than you change your mind on nuclear. Once people hunker down with their irrational opinions they stay defensive. It will be a simple matter to create an alternatives energy world compared to changing people's opinions as you envision. Radiation is invisible and that's all it takes. We fear what we can't see.
Did too
'You drove this discussion into a spin that is no on the topic of my "psychosis", really funny.'
You went and gave so much evidence of its presence
'Now you keep repeating how waste will "fuck" future generations and cause a disaster but once again you never say how.'
I said the past will be the future when it comes to cleaning up waste, promises and more promises. I don't expect to have to educate people on radiation dangers nor on what can happen to things left out in the open.
'Saying that people will stay illogical is a gross generalization of people. Opinions change, they always have. once people learn that nuclear waste is not a threat when properly disposed nuclear power may thrive. Why are we talking about this again?'
Because you are having a dream. They will not change any more than you change your mind on nuclear. Once people hunker down with their irrational opinions they stay defensive. It will be a simple matter to create an alternatives energy world compared to changing people's opinions as you envision. Radiation is invisible and that's all it takes. We fear what we can't see.
Why are you talking about nuclear waste management if the future when it is safely managed right now in the present. People were afraid of microwaves and medical marijuana but opinions changed, didn't they? Don't get me wrong some people never change. Let gas hit $10 a gallon and people may begin to ask if there's really anything to be afraid of.
We started waiting since 1945 passing the waste on to our kids. As we have been so shall we be because we are pigs. Pass that waste to the tax payer of the next generation.
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The TMI cleanup started in August 1979 and officially ended in December 1993, having cost around US$975 million. From 1985 to 1990 almost 100 tons of radioactive fuel were removed from the site. However, the contaminated cooling water that leaked into the containment building had seeped into the building's concrete, leaving the radioactive residue impossible to remove. TMI-2 had been online only three months, but now had a ruined reactor vessel and a containment building that was unsafe to walk in ? it has since been permanently closed. Many similar Babcock and Wilcox reactors on order were canceled ? in total, 51 American nuclear reactors were canceled from 1980 to 1984.
What a blessing that 3 mile island led to cancellation of more of these unsafe reactors.
We can't afford them anyway. It will be much cheaper to build distributed wind and solar power plants across the nation.
frostedflakes
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To be fair, modern reactors are extremely safe, and in the rare event that a meltdown occurred, the containment structure would prevent fallout. Cleanup is still a lengthy project, but danger to the public should be minimal.
I think one problem with your proposal moonbeam is that it requires centering the countries powergrid in an extremely easy to target area. In the event of a war or terrorist attack it would be possible to cripple the entire nations power sources with a single attack. If you recall, a few years back the entire NE grid was shutdown by basically a wire hitting a tree. It's important to keep the plants decentralized so the entire country doesn't go in the dark.
I still think Nuclear power is one of the best ways to go. There are now biological methods available that will destroy the nuclear waste produced (something you still haven't responded to afaik).
By the very nature of power generation it is never going to be a 100% safe proposition. This includes every type of power, not just nuclear.
The concerns about nuclear powers safety are a result of a cold-war era terror of nuclear weapons. We do not use Russian reactors, and the damage caused by the TMI incident was minimal compared to the amount of carcinogens oil/gas/coal plants pump into the air every single day. The biggest problem was the waste could last for centuries, however we have found ways to remove the radioactivity.
I still think Nuclear power is one of the best ways to go. There are now biological methods available that will destroy the nuclear waste produced (something you still haven't responded to afaik).
By the very nature of power generation it is never going to be a 100% safe proposition. This includes every type of power, not just nuclear.
The concerns about nuclear powers safety are a result of a cold-war era terror of nuclear weapons. We do not use Russian reactors, and the damage caused by the TMI incident was minimal compared to the amount of carcinogens oil/gas/coal plants pump into the air every single day. The biggest problem was the waste could last for centuries, however we have found ways to remove the radioactivity.
You left out this part from your own source:
Although 25,000 people lived within five miles (8 km) of the site at the time of the accident,[7] no identifiable injuries due to radiation occurred, and a government report concluded that "There will either be no case of cancer or the number of cases will be so small that it will never be possible to detect them. The same conclusion applies to the other possible health effects."
The scientific community is largely agreed on the effects of the Three Mile Island accident. The consensus is that no member of the public was injured by the accident. "The average radiation dose to people living within ten miles of the plant was eight millirem, and no more than 100 millirem to any single individual. Eight millirem is about equal to a chest X-ray, and 100 millirem is about a third of the average background level of radiation received by US residents in a year."[15][16] To put this dose into context, while the average background radiation in the US is about 360 millirem per year, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission regulates all workers' of any US nuclear power plant exposure to radiation to a total of about 700 millirem per year. While some studies have suggested a link between lung cancer and offsite exposures, no study has found a conclusive link between low level exposure and cancer increases.[17] A recent study has noted that the counties surrounding TMI have the highest natural radon concentrations in the United States and that this may be the cause of the increased lung cancer noted in the region.[18]
What you left our of your analysis is that it didn't matter. Just as the nuclear people are fools to suggest nuclear energy is safe, people are fools enough to exaggerate the dangers. And both groups of fools are highly resistant to self analysis and correcting their behaviors. Idiots will continue to push nuclear power and the ordinary uneducated fool we call the American people will resist it. But the biggest fool, of course, is the one who thinks his knowledge trumps the meat grinder of public opinion.
We see this easily in the sadist, KurskKnyaz, who lusts for the day public opinion buckles under the stress of 10 dollar gas. His ideas are so successful they require extortion to realize. 'Those bastards need to suffer and pay for their stupidity.' Typical of the emotionally immature.
...and it killed no one and left no glow-in-the-dark kids. And this is the worst disaster in the west.
SHITLOL!
I didn't say public opinion will buckle I said high energy costs will raise debate about the application of nuclear power. When people look at the evidence their opinions may change.
Well I think at least out of all of this discussion there seems to be a common theme that alternative energy needs to be investigated vigorously. I think the ultimate solution will be a combination of nuclear, solar, and wind power.
QuantumPion
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Actually, there are, but liberals like you in Congress prevent us from implementing the answers.
You must have a pretty short memory, because we've already covered this.
You're the one with the short term memory, no. There are no answers, there are only potential answers that potentially maybe will work given no surprises in the next million years. There are no actual answers and the reasons are immaterial as there are no answers in the here and now. And if the reason is because there are too many people with good sense whom idiots like you call liberals, so be it. They are real and your answers are not. It's some kind of fool who thinks his foolishness would succeed were it not for the foolishness of others. Why not stop being a fool since it will be a lot easier than changing the minds of millions and billions of other fools? Oh that's right, no emotional intelligence. Just that myopia called pinheaded engineer.
Right, with that nuclear now in existence phased out by obsolesce and the terrible problem of what to do with the waste kicked down the years.
I don't think Emotional Intelligence means what you think it does. I say this as a former Electrical Engineering student and current senior psychology student. Emotional Intelligence is your ability to empathize with others...unless they changed the meaning since I took psych of personality.
People have pointed out numerous times that there are ways to deal with nuclear waste that are already in existence that remove it from the environment (such as:http://www.physorg.com/news6046.html) but you continue to ignore them. Any particular reason?
People have pointed out numerous times that there are ways to deal with nuclear waste that are already in existence that remove it from the environment (such as:http://www.physorg.com/news6046.html) but you continue to ignore them. Any particular reason?
But that article completely refutes the notion that nuclear energy is safe. It says:
"230,000 tons of nuclear waste: that?s how much toxic metal can accumulate after 30 years of mining uranium - and that?s just one waste pile. With all the nuclear waste production throughout the world, this toxic metal is literally ?piling up? in more and more places, and is encroaching on inhabited areas.
During the process of generating nuclear power and nuclear weapons, radionuclides like uranium are discharged into the environment. These metals pose a serious ecological and health threat and usually contaminate the soil, sediment, and waters surrounding the waste piles.
Conventional methods of cleaning up these toxic wastes are often expensive and not very effective."
It then goes on to say that researchers in Germany """"""MAY"""" have the answer.
That's just wonderful news. Just as soon as the researchers in Germany clean up all man made nuclear contamination, I think we should be good to go. In the mean time, let those of us who are sane wait for the proof in the pudding. We have had the answer to nuclear waste from the beginning and we are still waiting. There are nothing but promises our children are supposed to implement while their grandpigs screw up their world. Meanwhile let's go straight ahead with renewable energy that's a plus for the whole world, energy technologies that can work in any country at any level of development and not create toxins that kill for centuries.
If you have any emotional intelligence or real empathy you will understand you don't gamble with future lives, not if you have any real love for yourself. You should know also, the terrible burden of guilt the nuclear folk repress. They know unconsciously the sin they commit, no?
Oh gosh, what have we here? Why it's an ad that came in today's mail and laying on top of the pile that says:
Every mother wants a clean home. EVEN MOTHER NATURE.
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